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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 11 2014, 05:12 PM)
hmm? i thought over power air cond would be take more power consumption which make it more expensive in electricity bills?
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I guess you are the city kid.

In before living in kampung with very weak power cable to supply all the house for electricity.

Once you switch on aircond and the warm color blub light can notices like blinking on & off.

If using higher power non-inverter aircond to be draw in high power consumption for every time on & off. The the Blub really can't last longer...lol
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post Feb 11 2014, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 11 2014, 05:36 PM)
I guess you are the city kid.

In before living in kampung with very weak power cable to supply all the house for electricity.

Once you switch on aircond and the warm color blub light can notices like blinking on & off.

If using higher power non-inverter aircond to be draw in high power consumption for every time on & off. The the Blub really can't last longer...lol
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yea i live in kajang can consider city i think... haha

i still headache on this selection issue,
i ready back the earlier post the inverter for daikin and york with installation not even rm1300 now they quoted me rm1500 =.= is that increase in pricing or what... and about selection of daikin and york now... mitsubishi i would give up already too expensive...


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post Feb 11 2014, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 11 2014, 05:33 PM)
so you trying to said, go for a bigger 1.5hp for faster cooling and faster went to inverter mode which maintain the temp only?
but my room for 1HP already quite over power abit lolz... i dont know my calculation right or wrong.

my room 15 feet (wide) x 15 feet (depth) x 15 feet (high)
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Yes, something like that. Try comparing the power consumption of non-inverter and inverter and you should be able to note the differences. I have similar concern as yours but settled for "over" instead of "under" power. My rationale, if over-powered, the ampere will automatically drop anyway with inverter so why worry?

I don't know about calculation but do know there are other factors to consider beside sizes. Is the room facing the afternoon sun? How many people? How often door opening and closing? etc

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 11 2014, 05:33 PM)
so you trying to said, go for a bigger 1.5hp for faster cooling and faster went to inverter mode which maintain the temp only?
but my room for 1HP already quite over power abit lolz... i dont know my calculation right or wrong.

my room 15 feet (wide) x 15 feet (depth) x 15 feet (high)
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Seriously 4.5m x 4.5m still can fit in 1hp?

Die die must go for 1.5hp and no regret.

You just telling us, you driving kancil 660cc and fit in 5 adults and try to pull till end of accelerator to when up hill.
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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 11 2014, 05:41 PM)
yea i live in kajang can consider city i think... haha

i still headache on this selection issue,
i ready back the earlier post the inverter for daikin and york with installation not even rm1300 now they quoted me rm1500 =.= is that increase in pricing or what...  and about selection of daikin and york now... mitsubishi i would give up already too expensive...
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No worried just go for any brand model made for inverter unit.

Cause the budget still belong to you
Even York inverter I still highly to recommended
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Hi, would like to gather some opinion regarding two air-con brands. One will be Panasonic another will be Daikin. My developer will be giving me air-conds for all rooms in my new house. So I will have to choose either one.

Between these two brands, which one will be more reliable? My current house is using Panasonic and I find it reliable and durable. Im not so sure about Daikin. So need some input on which to choose

No idea on the models as of now. Just need to know in general.


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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Feb 11 2014, 05:42 PM)
Yes, something like that. Try comparing the power consumption of non-inverter and inverter and you should be able to note the differences. I have similar concern as yours but settled for "over" instead of "under" power. My rationale, if over-powered, the ampere will automatically drop anyway with inverter so why worry?

I don't know about calculation but do know there are other factors to consider beside sizes. Is the room facing the afternoon sun? How many people? How often door opening and closing? etc
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I see, room window facing north, 2 adults and one infant haha
the door closing and opening quite frequent i think

QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 11 2014, 05:42 PM)
Seriously 4.5m x 4.5m still can fit in 1hp?

Die die must go for 1.5hp and no regret.

You just telling us, you driving kancil 660cc and fit in 5 adults and try to pull till end of accelerator to when up hill.
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hmm okay... !

QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 11 2014, 05:47 PM)
No worried just go for any brand model made for inverter unit.

Cause the budget still belong to you
Even York inverter I still highly to recommended
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yea i understand, but my main concern is i dont want get chopped... been asked around the price for 1HP is rm1500 for inverter daikin and 1.5Hp is around RM1700 is that over price or wht? or the currently market price is around that?



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Talk about power consumption, let say I set the same temperature for 1.0HP Inverter and 1.5HP Inverter, which one will consume more power?

I know the concept is 1.0HP should take slightly longer compare to 1.5HP to reach the temperature, after reach both may run at low power.

So one with higher power in short period, another is lower power but slightly longer time, but overall which one consume more power?
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QUOTE(dannyw @ Feb 11 2014, 05:55 PM)
Talk about power consumption, let say I set the same temperature for 1.0HP Inverter and 1.5HP Inverter, which one will consume more power?

I know the concept is 1.0HP should take slightly longer compare to 1.5HP to reach the temperature, after reach both may run at low power.

So one with higher power in short period, another is lower power but slightly longer time, but overall which one consume more power?
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Sorry to say but you are focusing on the wrong thing.

As long as you get the RIGHT size air cond and know how Inverter works and can accept the higher initial cost, get an Inverter. I expect to recoup the higher initial cost in 12 months through lower electricity bills. My only regret is not having the opportunities to get the Inverter sooner.

Now there is another benefit of Inverter which I seldom see mentioned. With Inverter, once the inverter cuts in, the air cond is a LOT quieter than non-inverter. I really meant "a lot". This is because they no longer work "at full load" nor any more "thump" stop-starting.

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Feb 11 2014, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE(tarvalslain87 @ Feb 11 2014, 05:54 PM)
Hi, would like to gather some opinion regarding two air-con brands. One will be Panasonic another will be Daikin. My developer will be giving me air-conds for all rooms in my new house. So I will have to choose either one.

Between these two brands, which one will be more reliable? My current house is using Panasonic and I find it reliable and durable. Im not so sure about Daikin. So need some input on which to choose

No idea on the models as of now. Just need to know in general.
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Both are the reliable brand.
Just take note : non inverter is noisy and higher monthly bill only.

If you were don't mind then top up a bit to be going inverter for save earth and reduce heat.
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QUOTE(tarvalslain87 @ Feb 11 2014, 05:54 PM)
Hi, would like to gather some opinion regarding two air-con brands. One will be Panasonic another will be Daikin. My developer will be giving me air-conds for all rooms in my new house. So I will have to choose either one.

Between these two brands, which one will be more reliable? My current house is using Panasonic and I find it reliable and durable. Im not so sure about Daikin. So need some input on which to choose

No idea on the models as of now. Just need to know in general.
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Never used both but I strongly believe both are very good brands of their own based on feedback from forumers here.

If you are not facing any issue with Panasonic, then don't change what is working, get the Panasonic from your developer.

If you are adventurous, then try Daikin.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 11 2014, 06:09 PM)
Both are the reliable brand.
Just take note : non inverter is noisy and higher monthly bill only.

If you were don't mind then top up a bit to be going inverter for save earth and reduce heat.
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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Feb 11 2014, 06:11 PM)
Never used both but I strongly believe both are very good brands of their own based on feedback from forumers here.

If you are not facing any issue with Panasonic, then don't change what is working, get the Panasonic from your developer.

If you are adventurous, then try Daikin.
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Thanks for your suggestions. Guess Ill stick to Panasonic and will request for inverter biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Feb 11 2014, 06:05 PM)
Sorry to say but you are focusing on the wrong thing.

As long as you get the RIGHT size air cond and know how Inverter works and can accept the higher initial cost, get an Inverter. I expect to recoup the higher initial cost in 12 months through lower electricity bills. My only regret is not having the opportunities to get the Inverter sooner.

Now there is another benefit of Inverter which I seldom see mentioned. With Inverter, once the inverter cuts in, the air cond is a LOT quieter than non-inverter. I really meant "a lot". This is because they no longer work "at full load" nor any more "thump" stop-starting.
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Inverter also save your money to replace outdoor fan motor and compressor mounting.

Cause you not longer using full load with high power for rotary like no tomorrow and quite generate heat of issue and noise too.


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QUOTE(dannyw @ Feb 11 2014, 05:55 PM)
Talk about power consumption, let say I set the same temperature for 1.0HP Inverter and 1.5HP Inverter, which one will consume more power?

I know the concept is 1.0HP should take slightly longer compare to 1.5HP to reach the temperature, after reach both may run at low power.

So one with higher power in short period, another is lower power but slightly longer time, but overall which one consume more power?
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You can compare which one is lower input power watt and higher BTU for more faster as cooling down in short time.

1hp definitely is lower energy and take longer to cooling down.
1.5hp more higher airflow and higher BTU with use more input watt of compressor running time.

Whatever here, if you decide to inverter 2hp and below of your monthly really able to cut down 50-60% of equal to non-inverter 1hp with full load for all the times.

This post has been edited by kimsim: Feb 11 2014, 06:35 PM
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For air cond, Daikin is bigger than Panasonic. They also own York.

I would take after sales service into consideration. For example, if your reliable friend sell Daikin, I will get that and vice versa.

Another tiny consideration, the remote control that goes rosak often. Panasonic wanted RM100 and York at half price. The multiple China-made remote I got all last a couple of months only.


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For me if these is still products the same specs I would go for this smile.gif

For outdoor dunno how big and lower input watt for compressor at 680w at 8530 BTU.

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 11 2014, 05:41 PM)
yea i live in kajang can consider city i think... haha

i still headache on this selection issue,
i ready back the earlier post the inverter for daikin and york with installation not even rm1300 now they quoted me rm1500 =.= is that increase in pricing or what...  and about selection of daikin and york now... mitsubishi i would give up already too expensive...
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bro,your room size is 15X15 feet right...almost like mine...must use 1.5HP...haha...if you put 1HP inverter definitely not enough...mine also take like 10-15minutes to get it cool down to temperature 25Deg...but once it is on 25Deg,you'll feel comfortable...

QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 11 2014, 05:42 PM)
Seriously 4.5m x 4.5m still can fit in 1hp?

Die die must go for 1.5hp and no regret.

You just telling us, you driving kancil 660cc and fit in 5 adults and try to pull till end of accelerator to when up hill.
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I agree totally with you...
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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 11 2014, 05:54 PM)
I see, room window facing north, 2 adults and one infant haha
the door closing and opening quite frequent i think
hmm okay... !
yea i understand, but my main concern is i dont want get chopped... been asked around the price for 1HP is rm1500 for inverter daikin and 1.5Hp is around RM1700 is that over price or wht? or the currently market price is around that?
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Why not try to get York inverter?
You didn't compare the indoor & outdoor design was almost same and only York inverter does not built in eye motion to capture human in bedroom or leaving the room to increase 1 more deg only.


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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Feb 11 2014, 06:05 PM)
Sorry to say but you are focusing on the wrong thing.

As long as you get the RIGHT size air cond and know how Inverter works and can accept the higher initial cost, get an Inverter. I expect to recoup the higher initial cost in 12 months through lower electricity bills. My only regret is not having the opportunities to get the Inverter sooner.

Now there is another benefit of Inverter which I seldom see mentioned. With Inverter, once the inverter cuts in, the air cond is a LOT quieter than non-inverter. I really meant "a lot". This is because they no longer work "at full load" nor any more "thump" stop-starting.
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Sorry to let you misunderstand. I actually used that as example only, maybe it sound silly.

My actual question I have install the 1HP Inverter air con in my bedroom. But my air con come with 'Low Wattage limiter'.
That's why I come with the scenario above.

1HP Inverter, I have a option to set the wattage limit to 600W or 400W, unlimited is about 800W.

So I was wondering, if I limit the unit to run at 400W, of course it cool down the room slower, but compare to I let it run without limitation, will it save any electric bill?

If I let it run without limitation, it'll just like others inverter, run full load at beginning and once reach the set temperature (25C) will run at minimal.

I'm trying to figure out which method save more.

Sorry for the confusion!
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 11 2014, 06:35 PM)
You can compare which one is lower input power watt and higher BTU for more faster as cooling down in short time.

1hp definitely is lower energy and take longer to cooling down.
1.5hp more higher airflow and higher BTU with use more input watt of compressor running time.

Whatever here, if you decide to inverter 2hp and below of your monthly really able to cut down 50-60% of equal to non-inverter 1hp with full load for all the times.
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Is a bit hard for me to know the total longer time of power consumption will be equal to higher watt with shorter period.

Reason I ask as explained on above just now.

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