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post Feb 21 2014, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(dp82 @ Feb 21 2014, 08:06 PM)
Does it require any special cooper piping and wiring point if i opt to use inverter model?
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Inverter at lease need 4pcs wire for 2 way = 8 total.
Also require new cooper pipes as good, don't mixed with old gas with new gas = won't get cold as good from new install period.

Unless you ask Aircon man to purging with R410a gas for cycle out the oil sticky gas and option for powerful vacuum to suction out an oil r22 gas as well then baru reused back existing cooper pipe.
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post Feb 21 2014, 08:13 PM

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Wire point can be used back old one.

Because inverter lagi used less energy than non-inverter nothing to too worried power socket
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post Feb 21 2014, 08:19 PM

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In the market so far Panasonic inverter still using indoor main power supply to outdoor unit.
Then 3-4 wires should enough to works.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 21 2014, 08:38 PM)
Can you point to me which Ac inverter need total of 8 wires?
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Excepted Panasonic inverter from indoor to power supply.

But make sure you pull it from indoor power point for 1 way to outdoor and the other 1 from indoor blower unit to connected outdoor unit.

user posted image

8 wires I am wrong info.

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 22 2014, 12:30 AM)
Kimsim,

mind to draw out where is the cable connect to where?

inverter using 8 wire? so many
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Actually very simple way.
Inverter power supply from outdoor main unit only, usually our house don't have power supply from outside wall right to explore air or rain water, unless at car porch then tapping up only.

Due to inverter PCB built in on top of outdoor compartment, need power supply from outdoor only.
The other cable was connected to indoor unit fan blower only.

Just imaging where you installed from indoor to outdoor location and the wires need pull from very long distance.

Usually I guess all Aircon installer for sure they know how to done for you, inverter unit is not very new to them.

Thanks.

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 22 2014, 07:53 AM)
Any air cond only using 3 main wires, live, ground, neutral. This is standard for AC.
If someone is talking about 8 wires or 10 wires, that's bullsheet only. The indoor unit unit needs power to run its blower, the outdoor unit needs power to run its cooling fan. Other wires are merely signal wires for both of them to communicating to each other.
If you are not sure, don't simply DIY, very risky.
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Anywhere just refer my photo has been posted here.

4 wires is the best buy for power code & 2 ways = 8 wires.
You can buy 3 wires or 4 wires is depend from you.

Nobody ask you DIY... Everything is done by aircond installer.
DIY for repaint your fan blower casing that's not wrong wow.

What colors wires for go to where.. that is not my business.
Cause I'm not electrical here.

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 22 2014, 08:06 AM)
Not all inverter need power from outside, Panasonic don't need. Panasonic only need 4 wires. Neutral, Live, Eart, and Signal
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Thanks for you.. More sharing here, especially for newbie wanna do their concealed wall running new piping and power code should not be wrong and at lease got idea here.
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Feb 23 2014, 08:39 AM)
so cheapest place to buy is from houzdepot sogo. saw a promotion rm799 until 27feb. but i wonder include installation or not
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RM799 come with installation fee.. i think for aircond itself cost less than RM600 ins't good rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 23 2014, 10:30 PM)
Question:- regarding the type of compressor there's rotary /swing and etc may i know what's the difference?

1) which better? or latest technology
2) apply to which brand using swing or rotary? ( im interested to know york / daikin and mitsubishi using which type)

thanks =)
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All compressor got thier own deisgn, we can't tell can last how long.

Like ME now register online can get 10 yrs warranty for outdoor compressor and 2 yrs indoor.

Usually all compressor design can really last longer life.
The only will worm out of mounting compressor or fan motor bearing failed after 7 yrs of usaged.

Daikin swing type compressor from them, they said my design is award no one can copy.
York inverter used DC Rotary also.
From ME is used more common design as DC Rotary compressor or DC twin Rotary type.

Hitachi also offered 2 yrs indoor and 7 yrs outdoor warranty, they inverter also used DC Rotary type.

Which one last longer may due to user already.

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From buyer need to know is smaller watt of compressor input watts and get higher output BTU is the winner.

BTU 9000/Watt 700 = EER : 12.85 over 12 - 13 = Good for energy saving.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 23 2014, 11:15 PM)
All compressor can last over 10yrs. Unless have some quality parts issue. I even have a reciporating compressor (fridge type) convert using for generate air that last 25yrs till now.

But as age goes by, the compression will be lower and lower. As the part will wear and tear and cause some air leak over. All this part inside is metal grinding metal when turn. It use oil to lubricate. As a result, the compressor take longer time to run and cost more for bill.

Rotary have a higher eer compare reciporating type. Which now all the aircon is using it. But abit expensive than reciporating type as the manufacturing it a bit difficult. But probably better now I guess.

Swing type is improving type from rotary. But generally still a rotary type. Just tha vane side is modify.

LG have a linear type of compressor. But use for fridge. Not sure about their aircon.
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in the markets they still have some Scroll type for Daikin VRIII and Sanyo aircond japan / USA markets.
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Lol at early morning 12am still discussion an type of compressor... notworthy.gif

Back to topic, any types of compressor should be good buy as what budget you pay for.

DC Rotary or Swing Type for me is not much different.
Cause I don't have them.

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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 24 2014, 12:17 AM)
Any hr also can discuss lah.

So hardcore meh till specific what kind compressor inside  aircon before can buy. As long as it have better BTU and last long. For the whole aircon, compressor is the most expensive part.
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Ya you are right.

Most of AC compressor for non inverter would be after usage 1.5 yrs and above can hear it whinning/humming noise at outdoor, if installed over bedroom outside window when sleeping can be notice it noise issue.

From DC Rotary compressor inverter had improved over the noise and vibrated issue.
They already improved with micro computer and thermometer at outdoor to tell actual temperature when in hot weather would increase high speed and after night time to be reduce for minimum speed for maintenance indoor cooling.
Then called it variable speed for inverter compressor works, should be much longer life than non inverter.

To be compare from non inverter to inverter of the rubber compressor mounting has been save.
Even blower fan motor from inverter won't be easily created much noise than non inverter unit.

At the end still what budget you pay and what you get.
Some ppls like I want pay cheap but replace in every 6 yrs for new one.

Whatever your brand and your choose is installed correct way, can given cooler to suit your room comfort then should be your right choice.

Cheers.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 24 2014, 09:38 AM)
Most of the sound is come from the blower fan. Compressor itself is run very quite. Specially rotary type. Recipor type have more vibration due to the way it design. While rotary is run in eccentric way which less vibrate. But all this require a good quality compressor. It can further reduce the vibrate with the rubber damper at the compressor leg. I don't no what brand that make good compressor now. The pioneer and best is Panasonic for their rotary. Hitachi also produce compressor at their bangi factory.

For how a compressor vibrate and noise.... ehh... lazy to explain. It very technical and long explain. Boring to read also for ppl here.  biggrin.gif

Not sure which brand have actual DC rotary compressor. But most of the so call DC rotary is actually a AC compressor with DC inverter. The inverter is convert AC to DC to variable frequency than back to AC.

I won't place the outdoor unit opposite the wall. It
1) damage the look of the house. Freaking ugly pipe and wire spoil the house design and look like a factory.
2) noise and vibration that transfer through the wall an window. I can't sleep with it. Even how low the outdoor unit noise.
I place it far away at the water tank roof top side.
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My answer after place with DC inverter has been solved out whinning/humming noise at all smile.gif


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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 24 2014, 09:41 AM)
Bro from this, i found out Daikin / York / Mitsubishi for 1 HP

Daikin is at 10.38 EER
York at 11.41 EER
Mitsubishi at 12.79 EER

which means Mitsubishi power consumption lower... and will save more am i right??
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Ya lower power consumption would be the greater smile.gif
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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 24 2014, 10:13 AM)
I don't no inverter or non inverter have any loud sound coming out or not. Cause all the while, the outdoor unit place far away back from my room. It superb peace without the noise.
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If your house are "big" for most single storey Terrance house won't be so lucky like you.

Either in front of car porch or at the back yard.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 24 2014, 10:34 AM)
My house is not big really. About 1000sqf.  I hate big house and am poor guy. sad.gif

It is about how creative you hide and place something. If you know about the "character" of the aircon.
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Ok you got ur point..
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 24 2014, 10:36 AM)
It depends, it is prejudice on non-inverter.

My company has 2 non-inverter, after 5-6 years usage, just outside of the office wall, just operate normally, little noise.

Variable speed is not guaranteed to have longer life than non-inverter as well.

Inverter is good, but it doesn't means non-inverter out there are easily spoil, whimming produce lot of noise

Non-inverter fanboyism also can say, inverter PCB may easily spoil as well, while non-inverter doesn't have this part...  whistling.gif

I have never heard of any inverter manufacturers claim
1. inverter compressor won't produce whinning sound on compressor, although yes, variable speed could make the whinning sound minimal.
2. Non-inverter compressor after using 1.5 years must hear sound. It depends.
3. Inverter lower fan motor won't easily create much than non-inverter unit

In actual fact, replace 6 years from now, is a good option.
As parts generally worn out over the time, be it bearing, mounting etc, also fungus growth inside blower, drainage etc.
Replace it every 6 years, ensure peach of mind the air-cond always working and in good condition.

It is needless to blast non-inverter until they are like not worth the money at all even though we know inverter has its advantage like 1
1. Less possibility of humming sound, but if part does wear out, it also can produce sound
2. Save electricity, but how much save, depends on the math
3. Potential durable than non-inverter, possible due to not running at full load all the time, but it doesn't mean a must, depended on quality built, as well as many factors.

If non-inverter is really so not worth to get it, by that time, then it will phase out itself, consumer won't buy it already.  smile.gif
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Usually Office envelopment will be higher noise level than housing.

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 24 2014, 12:03 PM)
quite confusing about their catalogue..

there's power consumption and some of them didnt list out the power consumption..

im still in dilemma which 1 to choose, daikin or mitsubishi or york..  ~.~
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Go for Mitsubishi electric inverter got easy clean, in future you should thanks me.
Now you still new dunno how dusty on blower after usage it long term
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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 24 2014, 12:32 PM)
problem is the electrical shop only sell Mitsubishi Heavy Industry Air cond
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Try to visit website and quote from nearest your house area.

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