so did you enjoy your mechkeyboard ? did you think that peoples reviews here have been jusitified or are we just full of shit. just curious what your opinion is

always interesting to know what the new comer thinks.


PS: i use a ducky spacebar, and i don't have that problem. my model is a DK9008-G2 Tiger Limited Edition, with modified keycaps (but using the stock ducky spacebar which i love). oh and it's PBT.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 7 2013, 06:59 PM

thx for feedback guys

and yes when i first got my mech, i thought damn.. the keys are tall... o-o;

the sound issue is a benchmark for what you now think whether your okay with it or want something better.

blue has a very distinctive clicky noise.... like a type writer.

brown doesn't have that but it's still audible, but not as clicky sound like.

if you want softer than all that, there is a cheaper topre model on market which uses a capacitive+mechanical+rubber dome hybrid, very quiet.


This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2013, 01:51 PM

The Topre Type Heaven is their first product that is downsized to be more affordable to the mech keyboard segment that normally get cherry mx switch keyboards because they are cheaper. So topre released this to compete in that market segment.

http://asia.cnet.com/topre-makes-affordabl...rd-62221533.htm


And here is the review
http://www.keyboardco.com/blog/index.php/2...en-full-review/



Personally i think, even though it's not the fabulous dye subbed keycaps, the quality is still pretty good, and keep in mind, the main factor of getting a topre is for their unique switch that is a hybrid between (capacitive/mechanical/rubber dome) which has the quiet factor but for a mechanical keyboard.

the price i think is pretty competitive with a cherry mx mech keyboard. You can't go wrong with either



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2013, 03:44 PM

hi there. well i'm a 4+ year cherry mx mech keyboard user. My previous keyboards before that were the originary rubber domes, and the Logitech G15 supposedly high end gamers rubber dome keyboard. I've been to a few of the official mechanical keyboard club gatherings and tested a range of mech keyboards from.....

- classic cherry mx black
- cherry mx red
- cherry mx black (modded spring aka an artificial cherry mx red clone sorta)
- cherry mx blue
- topre
- laser printed with fillings
- laser printed no fillings
- dye sublimated (different color variations.... one dye sub keycap may not necessary have the same look. Like the ones i own are white caps with black dye. The topre i tried was black caps with grey dye)
- double shots (also yet again, different quality and thickness, and different font types)

and i've seen many brands and aesthethics..... as well... from the purist bland classic look, to the more modern LED bling ...... metal chasis, aluminium chasis..... pcb mounted...... plate mounted......


Before mech keyboards my fingers hurt when i typed for a long period of time. But since i got the ducky cherry mx brown keyboard, my typing is hardly tiring on my fingers (i do type alot mind). Also the ducky leather hand rest has to me also made a difference in comfort, because my hand is elevated and on par with the keyboard height.....


I also suggest you read the other new comers with their brand new mech keyboards, to get an idea whether it's worth it or not. compare the experience of the newbies and other long time users. read the spoiler for their input.




PS: if you do get a cherry mx blue, be aware that it has a double tapping symptom some people will be prone to notice and subsequently be affected by it. Some gamers may find it very unpleasant especially if they have a double tapping tendency, that maybe some fps skills utilize.





some pro gamers may prefer linear switches that has no tactile feedback, for the fastest response time. this is usually a favourite for people that tend to bottom out when acuating their keycaps. if your a light typer that rarely bottom out, then a tactile switch may be more appropriate.



my recommendation.... cherry mx brown (tactile and comfortable) or red (very soft and linear, very responsive...).... or even the type heaven topre (if you must have the quietest mech keyboard). if budget is a problem, just get a good mkb with either of these switches, and with preferably a key roll over of 6 MININUM !!! especially if your are gamer. I use NKRO, which has no limitations of keys i can press simultaneously. Only games like O2Jam are very affected by the KRO factor.

so once you bought the keyboard you no need to buy anymore after that. Mkb last long, and if you do need to replace, you can swap out the switches for new ones. plate mounted need to desolder, but you can always ask the thread starter to help you. He runs a MKB modding service.




regarding durability there are a few things that wear out.
1. the key cap print. Like say the keycap has the letter "A". How many times you press on it before it fades away to a blank !!! silk screen print is the one that fades the fastest. Laser print is better. Then better than that is double shot and dye sub. Double shot may have a better contrast though, compared to a dye sub, although they are both very durable. Also dye sub cost 4 times a double shot keycap, according to signature plastic when people wanted to order in bulk from them.

2. how many times you press the keycap before it has a shine effect. The shine effect is due to sweat and friction, causing the keycap to have a shiny oily look. This can be distracting especially in a lighted room. Some people don't like this worm out look. A better quality plastic helps solves this issue somewhat. by rankings ABS < PBT < POM. Nothing wrong with ABS, it's still way better than the regular plastic you get from the mass produced rubber dome keyboards.

3. the switches wear out. Specifically the springs..... you know when it's worn out, when you actuate and it doesn't feel right when you press it, the spring feels crappy. But mech keyboards has individual switches, so some may be worn out than others. But this is not an issue, because you can replace the springs or switch. For a pcb mounted switch, you can manually pop open the switch to replace the spring. For plate mounted, you need to desolder it, to remove the switch to open and replace the spring. This isn't an issue as you can hire the modding services of the thread starter who can do it for you.


Overall, mkb keyboards can last a very long time. the switches aren't an issue. But if you invest in either double shot or dye sub, you need not worry about key prints fading off within a week, year or a decade.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2013, 04:02 PM

mx brown is NON clicky, but has tactile feedback.

It makes a clack sound when you bottom out (which i tend to do, because i'm that sort of a typer). But if you press lightly without bottoming out, the sound can come under control somewhat.

the only feedback to know you actuated a key, is either if you bottom out, or you feel the key push back (with a bump feedback) when you push down. So it's very hard to miss typing a key when pressing on it.

tactile is very beneficial especially for the soft typists that hardly bottom out.



well i got skype if you want to ask personally, i don't mind, just pm if you want to chat. I don't mind sharing tips and experience

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2013, 04:07 PM

yes bottom out, means pressing down all the way till you cannot press it down further.

KRO and NKRO mean.... key roll over.... and no key roll over. Simply put it means, how many keys can you press at the same time to register. Like... open your notepad, and try and press 4 Keys together at the same time. See how many of those keys registered. I personally have a NKRO, so i can press how many keys i want simultaneously and it will all register. But we have 10 fingers max, so we literally only need 10kro technically speaking.

so if you press 4, but only 2 showed in notepad, that means you have a 2KRO keyboard.

if press 8 but 6 show up, then you have a 6KRO keyboard.


99% of people are fine with a 6KRO. But some games like o2mania and o2jam require 7KRO for some specific songs. Look at this youtube, see how many keys they have... 7..... so when 7 bars come down, but your keyboard only has 6KRO, you are screwed





good info thx.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2013, 04:16 PM

Source:
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit





In summary, it's a set of keys meant for Cherry classic keyboards. It's for the people that want to use vintage Cherry corp keycaps on a modern keyboard like a Ducky/Filco. Sadly not all the keycaps will fit, hence why this kit is required to fill in the gaps. The color scheme and the font style is crafted to be as close as possible to the original.


PS: other than being moogle kit founder, i am also the original Malaysian Mechanical keyboard club founder and pioneer I created on lowyat forum, seeing as this is probably the largest online community in Malaysia. biggest contributions is bringing mkb awareness to the malaysian community via lowyat, to spread the poison that over priced rubber dome high end gamers keyboard is a marketing con, and that the real quality is that of a mkb (even the cheaper models are way worth it). My poison has more bang for your buck, than the usual logitech so called high end rubber dome keyboards

as a result... more people know about mkb, and even the resellers are selling mkbs locally now (before it was very limited in the Malaysian market place). mkbs internationally has gained more coverage, that more mkb products are being released.

Even logitech competitors, ROCCAT and Razer have turned to making MKB products.


Don't worry. lots of people also were rather blur and overwhelmed about mkb when they just started. it gets much easier once you own one, then you know what we all talking about.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2013, 07:26 PM

The kit isn't a full set. meaning you would STILL NEED TO BUY! the entire Cherry corp vintage keycaps (for a full keyboard). The kit is only to replace the caps from the original, that would not fit a modern keyboard like a ducky/filco. The keycap width is different

Yes it is possible to order a custom sp double shot for the entire keyboard, rather than a patch kit, but a lot of purists, prefer having the original cherry corp ones, but with a patch kit aka moogle kit

I believe it was 7bit who was selling it if i am not mistaken

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2013, 07:24 PM

yes correct.

also because the keys being use for kit, aren't the alphabets/numberals, the very slight discrepancy is hardly a detriment from using it. And you can get to use vintage Cherry corps

Much thought and revisoning had went into this, to make it as close as possible (font face, and color) to the vintage cherry, so as it won't look so out of place.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2013, 07:46 PM

merry xmas every1 :}

my friend is interested in a mkb ;x

he likes metallic alloy ....

also he likes having the led for each keys, as well as a volume controller.

6kro or preferably nkro


any recommendations ?



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jan 4 2014, 09:10 PM

is there a keyboard like this
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=p...ent_srl=5441326


but a full size keyboard that includes the numpad..... and also the keycaps similar to the ducky shine 3 limited edition which are see through
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2844523/
http://www.heavy-arm.com/product.php?id_product=583



my friend doesn't like the snake space bar, or the chinese character etched onto the casing.

this one ?
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52783.0

also i saw the other link to the irock, but it doesn't look as if it has a led lighting for it


i couldn't find a link to ducky96

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jan 6 2014, 01:31 PM

where to buy Duck Light Saver 96

ah i see

by the way, is this thread keycap ducky led see throughs ?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1455756/where-t...cement-key-caps

for example, can you buy a full set of keycaps based from ducky shine 3 ? or do they not do that

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jan 6 2014, 01:44 PM

tx for info, but have a link ? tried checking their site but didn't find these specific types

i 2nd this