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Lord Gitsy
post Dec 5 2013, 02:40 PM

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You will never know what happening in window tinting market today. Until you read this...

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Before we started, I need to explain 2 things before we get confused on further statements. Window film is described based on high performance and high quality. Both aspects are important. High Performance means the window film possess superb heat rejection performance. High quality means prolonged lifetime of a window film’s material and its heat rejection performance can last for very long, for a minimum of at least 5 years. However, today, best-selling product in the market is very low in quality even though it has a considerably high performance. This means that the heat rejection is good for the first year and then it will drop more than 50% on second year. You will be surprised if I told you; the price is about the same for high and low quality film in market. Price range starts from few hundreds to two to three thousands depending on the heat rejection performance of the film.

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What was the Market Trends of Window Film Industry for 10-15 years ago?

* Branding was not important; customers had no idea how to look for good quality tint.

* Selling skills and salesman talks was more important at that time.

* Most tinting shop were doing own/local brand, they were not interested on good brand and International Brand, because they needed to come out with enormous amount of money for franchise fees and to purchase high cost products.

* At that time, hundreds of new brand tinting shops came out on market with many funny name.

* Korean film replaced USA film in almost all tinting shops in Malaysia.

* At that time, the Korean film was newly introduced into the market; many window tint sellers were attracted by its low costs and good heat rejection performance. However, nobody was aware of its quality, until it was proven that the heat rejection performance dropped in 12 months.

* Starting from that time until now, none of the tinting shop will tell you if they are selling Korean film, they keep cheating customer that they are selling USA film.

* After Korean products flooded Malaysia’s Tinting market, few things happened. Price war started among window film sellers, and all customers started getting low quality window film on their car, some even pay high price for it.

* After some time, we noticed more and more car on the road with the car windows full of bubbles, and waving. Incidents where the heat rejection dropped more than 50% after 1 year is also overwhelming.

* Due to unhealthy competition, many tinting shop with own brand/local brand started using unethical tricks in selling their products and they gradually started to lose their customers’ trust and confidence.


In window tint market crisis, few tricks that could easily been done by them include:

1. They Provide wrong/fake heat rejection. vmad.gif
Example, brochure printed IRR 95%, when tested with solar meter the real reading is below 50% or even below 20%.
That is why the price could be very different in different shops.

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2. Selling High Performance but Low Quality Product vmad.gif
The heat rejection performance lasts for maximum 1-2 years only. These films costs are actually much cheaper
and they are normally from Korea / Taiwan/ China 2-ply IR film or dye film.


3. "Made in USA" can sell better price. vmad.gif
Most of USA manufacturers are established company for making high performance and high quality products.
Unethical sellers that are not dealing with USA manufacturer deliberately printed "Made in USA" logo on their film
to cheat consumer so that they can sell higher price. Therefore, USA original and Low quality film selling about the same price in maket.
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4. Swap Product during Installation. vmad.gif
Many sellers use high performance and good quality products during demonstration, however later they swap with lower
performance and poor quality products during actual installation on your the vehicle.

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Current Market Trends in Window Film Industry

* Today, more and more consumers are aware about poor quality tinted, so they start doing research and surveys for a good quality tinted for their car.

* One of the best ways is to look for International Brand or popular USA brand in the market. Consumer is more confident on trusted brand.

* However, consumers still not necessarily know how to differentiate a good quality window tint.

* So, a new trend starts to appear, these own brand or local brand shop closes its business one by one, and many of these companies convert their shop to USA brand, by taking franchise from distributors. However, this is not happy ending story yet.

* Many of unethical sellers (Franchisee) misuse the USA brand to cheat consumer by selling non-original or fake products at their shop and name it with "House-Brand". These house-brands are not original USA products, there are no logo printed on the tint film and they give shop warranty card to their customers.

* “Shop Warranty card” meaning you must go back to the same shop where you fitted your window tint to claim warranty. Other dealers for the same brand will not entertained you as they possibly do not have same product in their shop.

* Worst thing even happened where the seller collected full amount of money from consumer and later swapped to other product (Korea Made) for all windows and rear windscreen. Only the front windscreen is original brand product.

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Lord Gitsy
post Dec 6 2013, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(sj0217 @ Dec 5 2013, 06:30 PM)
Do you mean no point to go for 7 mil if compare to 6 mil? Since you mentioned above there is no much different in safety performance and costing, but definitely different on heat rejection
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1 mil is 1/1000 inch. Thicker safety film is not the selling point, laboratory on physical performance of safety film is more important. Original USA 4mil safety film is good enough.
Lord Gitsy
post Dec 7 2013, 04:24 PM

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Raytech Safety film is develop in Commonwealth Laminating and Coating, Inc, tested by America National Standard Institute. As window film specialist, Raytech just emphasis in the thickness of 4-6mil for automobile window used. Normally, 6mil and above will cause disruption of power window in1-2 years time in most of car.

Safety and security films are usually used to improve the performance of the glass for protection against human impact, bomb blasts, natural disaster, intrusion or seismic activity.

Safety film is always described in term of “mils”, which is a measurement of thickness as one thousandth of an inch (1/1000 inch). One mil equals 25.4 microns (micrometers). Safety film ranges in thickness 4 mils to upwards of 15 mils and thicker. The varying thickness is achieved by mechanically laminating multiple layers of film together with aggressive adhesive coatings. The Safety film is attached to the glass with extremely aggressive pressure sensitive adhesive. When stress causes the glass to break, the film has ability to stretch and absorb some or all of the energy generated by the stress. The result is that the broken glass may remain intact within the framing system preventing shards of glass becoming lethal projectiles.

Designed for applications where safety and security is a priority
a) Excellent solar performance, including heat and UV rejection, as well as glare reduction Superior optical clarity
b) Advanced adhesive formulation
c) Evaluation according to the following test methods/standards:
Small Missile Impact Test – ANSI Z-97.1 and CPSC 16 CFR 1201
Large Missile Impact Test & Cyclic Window Pressure Tests –
ASTM E 1886-02/ASTM E 1996-03, Level C, 4.5lb 2" x 4"
GSA Explosive Test – GSA-TS01-2003




For America Standard, and IWFA requirement 4mil safety film thickness and above is classified as safety film. The safety film must get the ANSI lab report or certificate on the break strength impact before the product can be release in to USA market. Further more, safety film now is coated with heat rejection material and become best selling product in Malaysia.

However, never make mistake that safety film is unbreakable. Every safety film has its break strength limited. Raytech 4mil Safety film can support up to 134lb break strength. As professional opinion, we never tell the customer how good is our safety film, even the original Raytech USA safety film just can delay breaking time for 20-30 seconds. Further more, although the safety tinted window has broken, the thief need to make a hole on the tinted window is not easy also. Thus, we got just enough time to try escape and drive the car away. An expect smash-and-grab-thief can grab your things in 2-3 seconds. That why meanwhile they will not try target on the car that tinted with safety film windows. Watch the videos below :


Car without tinted glass.


Car tinted with safety fim.


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post Dec 8 2013, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(guardians @ Dec 5 2013, 11:51 AM)
Need some advice here. Thanks.

1. Is there any big difference between security film of 5mil and 7mil?
2. Does thicker security film affect the power window's life span?
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According to IWFA, Safety film ranges in thickness 4 mils to upwards of 21 mils and thicker. Somehow, for automobile window use is recommend between 4mil to 6mil thickness. Window film above 6mil may cause disrupt to your power window in 1-2 years time. Some car manufacturer already facing this problem few years ago and only experience shop will aware of this issue.

However we find a lot of shop offering 4-5mil thickness safety film to customer, but they tell the customer is 6-8mil. Guys, thicker safety film is not the selling point, laboratory on physical performance of safety film is the selling point.

In theory, 7mil thickness film provides slightly better smash resistance compare to 5mil, infact it is not much different in safety performance and costing. In Malaysia, safety film come with solar control performance. The different of price is normally due to different heat rejection. According to Raytech report, the metal/ ceramic coating on the film for heat rejection performance is so expensive in USA, on the other hand, the costing for the thickness of the film between 4-7mil is about the same.

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post Dec 9 2013, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(goedemorgen @ Dec 9 2013, 01:20 AM)
So is Raytech good? Where are raytech films from?
A lot of brands also claim they are from US, but don't know which can trust.
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Raytech Window Film is special develop from Commonwealth Laminating and Coating, Inc. Virginia, USA.
http://www.commonwealthlaminating.com/Locate.aspx
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post Dec 17 2013, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(hanvetan @ Dec 15 2013, 11:24 PM)
Hi bro, thx for for your reply. My salesman not mention about the e-warranty at all. But, it is not 2 piece film, see my  pictures carefully.Crystalline 50 - 6mil, Crystalline 70 - 6mil, RE70 - 6mil and ST 70 - 5mil is actually one piece of film. After go through some survey, I think that dealer is selling fake 3M to me. I am very disappointed with my salesman and that 3M dealer. I wondering how many 3M dealer is also selling fake 3M product nowaday. Anybody can recommend V-kool, Huper Optilk, or Raytech to me. I am taking my Goft GTI next month. Must be good price and original product.Thx smile.gif
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OMG!!! Crystalline available in 6mil and got sample film some more. Lol.
It is good for you to do some research online for the product available to make sure you got the right original product. This non-original product we called it "House-brand". House-brand product is everywhere in market, it may happen in all brand, selling like original with expensive price too.

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post Jan 5 2014, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(KuroN3ko @ Jan 3 2014, 01:38 PM)
Hi anyone gave experience regarding Panoramic window tint? Quoted 950 for bws sws and fws for my Ford Focus, 7 years warranty. Apparently its a US brand.
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Hi Bro, Panaramic is one of the product of Solar Gard brand. Solar Gard is USA Brand, somehow Panaramic is not the brand. Just like "Focus" is one of the model of "Ford". Somehow, for my experience, never heard about Panaramic before, the only shop carry "Solar Gard" brand in Malaysia in only "Tint Shop".

In Malaysia, there is many local brand name same with USA brand but the trademark logo totally different and the company is different also.
we heard about "Suntec" close to USA Suntek, "Solar Gard" same with USA "Solar Gard" name, but different trademark logo.

Just be careful of what yo choose.


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post Jan 12 2014, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(winkiedilwy @ Jan 11 2014, 09:27 PM)
Hey guys, anything to take note before sending car for tinting? Mine is a 2007 Toyota Camry. Is it able to do full tint with mid-range specs for under 1k? Because car is old now, probably selling it off within a year or two. Tinting is a must do because the rear window's tint is quite ruined (Right Cool) and it's about 6+ years. Car recently got a new coat of paint and replacing the tints will make the car look a lot nicer. Any advices, sifu?
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Hi bro, remove and retint in all window is not an issue, but only there is a risk for remove previous film on the demister especially for car above 5 years. I can tell you we have many experience in handling this kind of matter, we have special treatment before take off the old film to minimize the damage on the demister line. However, we still tell our customer up front, we can't promise on the demister will not peel off.
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post Jan 12 2014, 09:39 PM

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Hi guys and gals, just an information to everybody regarding Raytech Window Film. We provide professional consultant service and few testing method to our customer. I am happy to know that Raytech also start provide EDTM brand, solar meter testing on our product to ensure customer getting Raytech genuine product and test the film performance before installation. As Raytech products are special developed in CLC, Virginia USA to overcome the extreme weather in Malaysia, you guys will be surprise to find out the testing result of Ultra 70 and Centurion Series.
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post Jan 25 2014, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(will_wong @ Jan 23 2014, 12:51 PM)
Wah 8 mil got affect your power window?

I installed a 6 mil Raytech CS for my Civic and after 1 year the power window got damaged. Luckily Honda repaired the power window for free biggrin.gif

Even now after 5 years can still hear squealing when winding down the window.
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Hi bro, actually 6mil safety film is working quite ok with most of the power window, as it is not so thick. As professional opinion, Raytech does not recommend safety film that above 6mil as it will burden and may disruption the power window after 1-2 years. Somehow, thicker film does not means it is better in term of safety, laboratory report on physical performance of safety film in more important. Raytech safety film special engineered between 4-6mil make in USA world class manufacturer, which provide sufficient safety features to consumer car used. We do not make safety film thicker than 6mil.
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post Feb 8 2014, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(stephy_06 @ Feb 7 2014, 11:13 PM)
Hi sifu! Is it advisable to tint the sunroof? Is it necessary?  blush.gif
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Hi, normally I will recommend very dark window film for sun roof, VLT below 30%. That make you feel comfortable and cooler. Some people they might like very clear film for sun roof too. This is depend on your personal favorite. By the way, for your information, Sun roof is not part of car window that restrict by JPJ rules and regulations.
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QUOTE(Post-Je-Ape-Ape @ Feb 6 2014, 10:11 PM)
I've jz finished a tint job on my baby, and it looks F***ING DARK... When I was in the shop I saw a tint like 75%, it wasn't all that dark, in fact it looks JPJ passable at least. When I went to collect my car at night, damn, do I have trouble driving it.... It's a pain driving at night =_=.. Since its my first time doing tinted I learnt my lesson... I know its impossible to lighten a tinted... I have to peel it and re-tint my side and front window to 40%
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Hi bro,

1) If you wish the window film compliant with JPJ.
a) Front Windscreen = above 70% VLT
b) The rest window = above 50% VLT

2) If you can accept dark film, Non compliant with JPJ. But clear vision on day and night, and people can look into you.
a) Front Windscreen = at least 50% VLT
b) The rest window = Between 30% - 40% VLT.

Window Film below 30% VLT is too dark at night. Hard to see clear on night vision.
Be smart to choose your film.

To solve your current problem, I may suggest you just change the front windscreen tint film to brighter film and see how the result.
If the problem unsolved, then you change your rear windscreen tint film.
If the problem still unsolved, then you can change another 4 doors tint film. smile.gif


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post Feb 21 2014, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Feb 19 2014, 03:39 PM)
guyz im interested to fit my car with LLUMAR titanium security tint, 20% VLT and 8mm, any review on this tint
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Wow, VLT20% do you think is very dark, this film not compliant with JPJ rules.
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post Mar 9 2014, 02:16 PM

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Read to understand more about window film market and How to choose a good brand USA Film.

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post Mar 10 2014, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(coconutzz @ Mar 9 2014, 08:51 PM)
How is raytech cs85 vs huper optik Sech60 or c70... Can someone advise?
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You are welcome to Raytech outlet for Solar Meter Testing.
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post Mar 11 2014, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(doncab @ Mar 10 2014, 04:47 PM)
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need advice on this picture

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what is the diff between single/double pane and tinted/clear?
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Hi bro, I Malaysia most of window is single panel. Double panel window is glass window panes separated by an air or other gas filled space to reduce heat and cool transfer across a part of the building envelope.

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post Mar 19 2014, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(babygrand123 @ Mar 18 2014, 10:30 PM)
anyone here tinted 2 layer at front screen ?? and how is the visibility ? It is clear to view ? will causing any headache while driving ???
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Really not recommend for 2 layer tint for front windscreen. Will cause blur vision.
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QUOTE(cheewooi @ Apr 9 2014, 10:03 PM)
What's should be the budget that I am looking at if I plan to tint 3M?
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To me, JPJ VLT meter is problem to all window film company. Their reading make everyone in trouble. Whatever is it, Raytech company giving JPJ guarantee in this issue.
If you looking for premium quality tint with reasonable price. Raytech Window Film might be the best choice for you.

Check this out:

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QUOTE(MGM @ Apr 20 2014, 08:03 PM)
Huper O's TSER for C50s is 49% & C40 is 55%, a diff of 6%. Is this significant?
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6% of TSER make great different. The price i believe also different.

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