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post Feb 1 2014, 01:29 AM

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guys,

needs some heads up here.

just got myself a 4 layer polish on my crystal pearl black honda city last week and i was informed that waxing once every 2 to 3 weeks is recommended however i have never done it myself and sending it to detailing centers is very taxing on my wallet.

i intend to do it myself from now on but i need some advice on what is the suitable type of wax and is there any specific method that i need to employ?

i saw the detailers that did my 4 layer polish apply the wax, it's seemed simply, just apply and the wipe off?
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post Feb 5 2014, 12:11 PM

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Anyone used this product by SGCB before?

---> http://www.sgcbonline.com.my/product-718446.html

i tried to search online for any reviews but got nothing however the last time i brought my car over to a car detailing centre for a 4 layer polish, this was the wax they used. another car detailing centre was also offering this coating wax as opposed to Meguires. Apparently, according to them this SGCB has a more smooth finish compared to Meguires with the rest equals.

also, since i am now trying to wax my car at least once fortnightly i need some real advice as opposed to youtube.com videos. this is my first time doing it so i don't want to screw it up.

if according to the video, waxing is just as simplyeas applying the wax (paste form), wait until a white layer appears and then just wipe it off with a clean micro fiber cloth (just minimal strength required). my question is this, is this all there is to it?
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post Feb 5 2014, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(muyo @ Feb 5 2014, 08:26 PM)
we actually testing the products recently. will do a write up soon.
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post Feb 6 2014, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 5 2014, 02:00 PM)
youtube videos and information within the v1/v2 and this very v3 thread will suffice.

and yes if you mean JUST the waxing step.
however preparation is equally, if not even more important than the waxing step itself.
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I am not a very well versed individual when it comes to car detailing matters but i just want to protect my car paint as much as i can and i know waxing may do that.

So, what i intend to do is to just wash my car and then after it has been completely wiped dry, to apply the wax. I know that we need to remove all the "contaminants" before waxing but what happens if the "contaminants" are not properly removed because i know some "contaminants" may need polishing in order to remove. What happens if these "contaminants" are not properly removed and i applied the wax?

What are the possible adverse effect on the paint job other than not being visually shiny?


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post Feb 6 2014, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Feb 6 2014, 09:57 AM)
Without making it too complicated for you, I would suggest trying out what we call an AIO (All In One) instead. An AIO have stronger cleaning property so that it would clean off those stubborn contaminant that normal wash can't remove. It'll also lay down a layer of protection while doing it. Duragloss Marine Polish 501 or the Polish Cleaner 101 are good and the protection can last for a month or so, longer if you're using a topper. There are also other AIOs but I have not much experience with them so I leave to other people to recommend.
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thanks for the tip but i still need to know what are the possible adverse effect (if any) on the car paint if contaminants are not properly (or entirely) removed before applying the wax. will it kill off the paint or it will just make the car less shiny.
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post Feb 6 2014, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 6 2014, 12:04 PM)
what happens is that your wax/LSP (last step protection) durability is severely reduced. if you wax every week (eg: spray waxes) then it shouldn't be a problem.

and, it just doesn't feel nice sealing all the contaminants/defects under wax/LSP sweat.gif (you want your car condition to be tiptop/shiny shiny, no?)
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I intend to apply the wax once every two weeks.

Of course i want my car to look at its best but as a beginner, i intend to do what is the minimum required of me first to make sure my car paint job is given the most protection that my currently ability can provide cry.gif

The thing that i am worried is that sealing those contaminants under a layer of wax would harm my paint job.
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post Feb 6 2014, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Feb 6 2014, 01:57 PM)
A few possibilities:

1. For the paint itself - contaminant *could* possibly accelerate oxidation or failure of the clear coat. But this would take several years of neglect in order for it to happen.

2. For the wax/sealant - waxes/sealants adhere best on clean surface. So, if there's any contaminant, adhesion would be weaker and this would result in shorter durability or cloudy patches after application.

If you're really worried about it, then there's only one thing you should concentrate on - WASH REGULARLY. Most shampoo would leave a tiny little amount of wax/sealant. Though not enough to give proper protection, at least it's something and the surface would stay relatively clean hence minimizing contaminants to cause maximum damage.

Furthermore, most of the normal consumer range waxes/sealants also contain some cleaners in them. Taking that into consideration, the process of applying waxes/sealants of any kind would also remove *some* contaminant due to the cleaner in them and also the aggressiveness of the applicator (you'd normally see the applicator turns dirty during/after use).

Shucks...now it's getting more and more complicated. Well....if you regularly clean your car and occasionally wax it...don't worry la...most probably the car would have left you before the paint is damaged.....
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Haha, the number one thing that i fear is the cloudy patches after wax application because my car is black in color so a small dot of such defect is enough to kill the entire appearance of the car and not to mention my self satisfaction.

I wash my car once every week at night with Magic 101's "Wash & Wax" but because of my regular car wash, the wax will wear off faster than i was told.

I just did my 4 layer polish and wax about 2 weeks ago and washed my car only once so now my car still feels "smooth". I reckon the wax is still around but i do not know how long will it last so before it goes away so i am hoping that before it goes away, i apply the wax.

I've seen so much videos online using clay bars and some to the extreme using a rotary machine to polish off the contaminants before they apply the wax but i have absolutely zero knowledge on these advance techniques and if i were to try it, i know it will cause more harm than good which is why i asking around to see if just washing the car thoroughly would be sufficient to prep the car for waxing T____T
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post Feb 6 2014, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(windskill @ Feb 6 2014, 03:39 PM)
Wash car, followed by wax is actually okay. The additional steps such as claying, polishing, and even IPA wipe, are just to provide the best surface to achieve the optimum bonding of wax on the paint surface. These steps are basically surface preparation.

Without proper surface preparation, you still can wax your car after car wash. Wax will still be there, no worries. The only thing is about the durability of the wax on the paint surface. That's it smile.gif
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I intend to wax my car once every 2 weeks so i am not particularly concern with the durability but the uncertainties of "trapping" contaminants under the layer of the wax bothers me slightly but since my car just had a 4 layer polish and wax, most of the contaminants are most probably removed and the still existing wax should prevent any contaminants to sit on my paint so my idea is before the existing wax goes away, i just keep on waxing so that the chances of my paint being exposed is minimized.
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post Feb 6 2014, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Feb 6 2014, 04:36 PM)
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Well...just to comfort you....washing a car without a wax on every week is better than having a wax on but washing the car once a month.

You don't really have/need to wax the car every 2 weeks. A good quality wax should be able to provide good protection for months (or at least one month). Concentrate on MAINTENANCE - wash and topping up with some spray topper/booster. I've been doing it for ages and the only portion of my car(s) paint that are damaged are only those caused by inconsiderate *so-called* human beings or accidents.... tongue.gif

ps. when I was using waxes/sealants, I only do a 'proper' detail - i.e. light polishing and re-waxing, maybe once in three or four months....
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Now here something new again HAHA. What's a spray topper/booster?

If that is the case then i think i'll most probably wax my car when water beading is getting less. It should be a proper indication.

Worst than animal living organisms with quarter of a brain cells of a ring worm, you mean.

Yeah, hate those idiots. I have several irreparable deep scratches on the side of my door and front fender which is caused by neighboring cars. I assumed that they opened the door so wide and so fast without even giving any thoughts that they might damage the car parked next to them.
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post Feb 7 2014, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Feb 6 2014, 05:11 PM)
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Spray topper, example of them are like Meguiars Ultimate Quick Wax, Optimum Car Wax, Mothers FX Spray Wax, TurtleWax Wax-It-Wet, 3M Quick Spray Wax, Duraglos Aquawax, Autoglym Aqua Wax, Sonax Brilliant Shine Detailer...just to name a few (that I've used and tried). The ones I mentioned are all from the more established and reliable brands and available in Malaysia. Google them and learn what they are and what they do. Personally, for a black car, I would recommend Sonax Brilliant Shine Detailer if you're looking for durability or Meguiars Ultimate Quick Wax if you're looking for the look. If for ease of application with minimum risk of cloudy patches it's the DG Aquawax. Pair the spray waxes with a good regime and regular washing, you might not need to wax your car for months. Try one of them and...errr...*ehem* the Sonax Brilliant Shine Detailer is on sale at Sonax HQ, provided that it hasn't being 'scooped' by the kakis here already...check out their fb page.... tongue.gif
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The Brilliant Shine Detailer looks promising. Do correct me if i am wrong. This "spray topper" is something in which you apply after you have applied the wax and cannot be in any manner whatsoever be used as a substitute to an actual wax application, yes?

So, is it safe to say that this "spray topper" is an additional step people used to enhance further the appearance of their car?

I intend to get the SGCB Coating Wax RM69 because the price is very very competitive and it was the same kind the shop used to finished off my 4 layer polish so i am comfortable with it because i have seen its outcome but it seems that the phone calls to the SGCB HQ hotline went unanswered for 3 days straight so i am looking at alternatives.

Any suggestions to a specific product which carries the same effect of the SGCB Coating Wax?

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Feb 7 2014, 09:50 AM)
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Yes. The Sonax BSD is for application after wax or after wash on top of existing wax/sealant, not a substitute for one. It can be use as such but the protection wouldn't be as good as a proper one...still good but just not as good.

Not just an additional step to enhance the look, these spray waxes are also meant for MAINTENANCE. Using it will stretch the durability of the underlaying wax/sealant so you don't have to re-apply them frequently.

Don't know about SGCB's products as haven't tried them before. But so far most spray waxes are quite compatible with other waxes/sealants from different brands. I have a few spray waxes and waxes/sealants and so far I haven't had any major issues in term of compatibility.
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FWAH! there are just too many things to take in and digest laugh.gif back then I thought maintaining a car is just as simple as wash, wax and polish.

So to summarize, wax protects the paint job, and the "spray topper" protects the wax so that the wax does not wears off prematurely?

I also understand that the "spray topper" also provides water beading properties thus sharing almost the same characteristics as wax. I used water beading to determine if my car needs a proper waxing so, if i apply the "spray topper" weekly after my car wash then technically speaking, my car will have the water beading properties therefore i will never know if my car's wax has wear off?

Sorry to have asked so many questions :T__T:
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QUOTE(kww @ Feb 7 2014, 11:10 AM)
From the description, it looks like a syntactic sealant, no canuaba was mention. I don't understand the last sentence of "suitable for imported car, luxury paint".
I haven't use any SGCB product before, but if it is just sealant than you can look at Meguiar’s #21 Synthetic Sealant 2.0, Collinitr 476. I'm using 476 with aqua wax or ocwax as topper/booster/spray wax. You can omit the topper if you think is too much work.
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OH! So it's a sealant then? I know we can substitute sealant as wax because both of them actually does pretty much the same thing. I've seen my detailer applied the SGCB Coating Wax (paste form). Few seconds after application, a white layer appears and he just wipes it off with a microfiber cloth. It seemed easy i intend to try it myself from now on otherwise, they are going to charge me at least RM100.00 for one session (car wash, polish (if required) and then the sealant).

This thing retails at RM69 only and i am sure i can apply it for more than one time laugh.gif

I'll most probably omit the topper because i am not familiar with it T_T

The Meguiar's #21 Synthetic Sealant 2.0 seemed liquid in form. Do they have anything similar but in paste form or is liquid form superior to that of a paste form?

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QUOTE(windskill @ Feb 7 2014, 11:26 AM)
(Out of topic) I think the effect of SGCB coating wax looks appealing to me. Just not sure about its durability.

Haha, actually it's not that complicated. Just a spray wax. Provide a quicker way to wax only. Also, to top-up wax on the current paint surface.  smile.gif
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Yeah, the effect is appealing in comparison with its price. I think i saw someone made a post here that the contents of the SGCB Coating Wax is "curiously" similar to that of Meguiar and with some additional good properties in it.

In any event, I will try dropping by the HQ later in the afternoon and see if i can pick up one.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Feb 7 2014, 12:04 PM)
You like paste better? Liquid is usually easier to apply. If using DA machine to polish, liquid is easier to apply. With paste, you need to spread it with something like a butter knife to the foam pad of the DA.

Anyway throughout the years, kept buying other stuff and found it better like Meguiars' M16 paste wax. I started collecting other paste wax like 3M Perfect It and Meguiars Ultimate Paste Wax. I like the Meguiars Ultimate Paste Wax. Easy to apply and buff off like liquid and looked very good on black cars. But cannot remember off hand how durable it was. I also bought liquid type wax like M26 Hi-Tech Yellow Wax and Meguiars Gold Class Carnauba Wax which I quite like but does not last long.

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To be honest, I actually have no preference on either paste or liquid but because i saw the detailer uses the SGCB Coating Wax and it is in paste form in which he uses the pad to apply all over my car, it seems more certain that it will be fail proof. The detailer didn't use any tools to spread the wax evenly on the pad, he just rubs it in the can and then apply and then wipes it off with micro fiber cloth almost effortlessly?

The one thing that i fear the most is paint hazing. Those which leaves a white cloudy patch on the car and they are impossible to remove. What actually causes them, i don't know.

Also, you use a DA to apply the wax?
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Feb 7 2014, 01:00 PM)
In my honest opinion, a spray wax / quick detailing type of application suits you better. It's more straight forward and easier to apply after a wash then putting a layer of conventional wax.
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Yeah, after reading so many lengthy explanations, i think i will settle just for quick detailing wax. i have always feared the hazing of cloudy patches on my car.

there shouldn't be any problems with those quick detailing waxes like "Meguiar's Quik Wax" for instance right?

I wonder if i apply the quik wax, can i still apply a spray topper on it or would it be completely rendered useless unsure.gif

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 7 2014, 02:59 PM)
quik wax is ALREADY a spray topper doh.gif

and yes, very brainless/no effort application

spray/wipe on, most people wipe off, i don't even f***ing bother. (not wiping off)
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eh, sorry la. i didn't know Quik Wax is a spray topper =(
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Went over to the Sonax HQ earlier today and got myself the Brilliant Shine Detailer. Met up with the owner, Rizal's the name i think. Friendly chap and knows all the products inside out. Fortunately when i went, there was another guy there with his Citroen who purchased a whole bag of stuffs, so Rizal actually demonstrated how to use the Brilliant Shine Detailer.

Also bought the rim cleaner, wanted to buy the Xtreme Wax but maybe sometime later.

Got a free stuff too, the clear view 1:100 thing. Supposedly to be poured into the windscreen washer container.


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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Feb 8 2014, 05:21 PM)
Hey bro I'm the guy with the Citroen biggrin.gif

I bought 2 bottles Brilliant Shine Detailer, Wheel Cleaner + Rim Coating, Glass Polish.

I thought of asking if you are from LYN tongue.gif  biggrin.gif
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:haha: nice to meet you man!

nice ride btw biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 9 2014, 02:57 AM)
reza biggrin.gif

oh and he doesn't EXACTLY know the products inside out... in fact both me/him learned something new from his staff john... you can fold the plastic care pad inside out for a fresh clean surface... laugh.gif
(j/k he's really knowledgeable and very down to earth despite being sonax malaysia's big boss after all tongue.gif)

you got the rim cleaner AND wheel coating set right from the cny promo right? (didn't saw from the picture)
you guys damn semangat go so early wei, he mentioned about you guys laugh.gif

i reached there about 1pm++ lolz
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Yeah, down to earth seems about just right. He personally demonstrated how the product works and doesn't really care he was drenched in his own sweat. Great PR skills, i'd say.

They have the rim cleaner set but i only bought the cleaner only but not the coating. Don't think i'd require it.

Talking about early, i saw from their facebook page that they are open from 9am - 5pm. I headed over to Glenmarie at 9:15am only to realized no one was there, called Reza and then he told me to drop by at about 1100am T____T luckily i lived nearby otherwise ..... rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 10 2014, 09:44 AM)
Aiyo wasted man,  go search sonax YouTube on the rim coating lol
The cny sales makes it damn worth it tongue.gif

Well Reza didn't seem like a morning person,  and luckily so am I XD
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Haha, i was showed by Reza the price of the rim coating if not bundled together with the rim cleaner and before the CNY promotion but i guess i wasn't really "convinced" by it during the demonstration or perhaps it's the effect on the rims of the Myvi SE.

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