DAISO Sg Wang?

I'm not sure about other APCs and Degreasers, but here are what I picked up from Megs MSDS (as I'm used to using these two for quite a few years already):

Megs APC
Ingredients:
sodium C14- 16- olefin sulfonate
2- propoxyethanol
sodium metasilicate, anhydrou
water
pH: 13

Megs Super Degreaser
Ingredients:
oleylammonium chloride, ethoxylated
propylene glycol mono-n-propyl ether
potassium hydroxide
water
pH: 13.5

Megs Wheel Brightener
Ingredients:
ammonium bifluoride
ethoxylated alcohol
citric acid
quaternary ammonium compounds
propylene glycol
ammonium fluoride
water
pH: 4.5 - 5.5

I'm no chemist so I don't have the faintest idea of what the above means. But here's my experience & observations based on a few years of using all three of them:

1. Megs APC - works best in cleaning 'organic' soiling, eg. dirt, mud, etc. which are insoluble in water. It's just an alkaline detergent solutions that contains loads of surfactants to 'loosen' and 'suspend' the solids so that they could be flushed from the surface to be cleaned.

2. Megs SD - works best in cleaning petroleum based soiling and able to emulsify oil, grease, etc. better than APC, but doesn't work as good as APC for organic soiling.

3. Megs WB - works best in cleaning brake dust. Since it's acidic and contains liquid ammonia - which is a good solvent for in-organic compounds, eg. metal. Still able to clean soiling and *some* oil/grease, but not as good as APC or SD.

Now, the above three are DEDICATED products to tackle SPECIFIC tasks hence, as I understand it, they are put under the Megs Detailers (pro) line of products. During the earlier times, I used to use those off-the-shelves 'wheel cleaners' from Soft99, Eagle F1, etc. There were times where some of them clean off the dirt very well but just couldn't get all the greasy film off. Then there are times where most of the brake dust were removed but still left the wheel a little dirty with soiling. Then I understood that being an 'all-in-one' there would need to be a compromise, *maybe* because it's not chemically possible (or not commercially viable) to have all three properties in one product. Being OCD, I researched and decided to get some dedicated products, and finally went for Megs D-line (not to mention being a cheapskate since it's cheaper in the long run... ). One gallon of those three can last me years (especially WB since I used that the least often) since it's dilutable (eg. 1 gal APC diluted at 1:10 makes 11 gals = 41.6L (!)).

Over the years, I've also tried some other products but, for some reason (maybe because I'm used to them) I kept coming back to using Megs. So far, considering their performance, I found that they give the most value for money (locally).

So is the degreaser a stronger version of an apc? I don't know about Osren Degreaser FX (I do have some of it & also their Multi-Clean) since I don't use them often enough, but I do think that Megs APC and SD are two different product and have different chemical compositions. I've tried using a *very* diluted (around 1:20) SD to clean some lightly soiled fabric and it doesn't work as good as diluted APC (at the same dilution). And looking back at the chemical ingredients, I'm not sure if SD is actually SAFE to use it on interior, especially for plastics/rubber.

My advice would be, if you're going on the 'professional range of products' route, better use it for what it's intended for. I've done a few 'trials and experiments' before, some went well and some didn't. And those 'didn't' some times comes and a costly price.....

Not a very reliable tests but can get an rough idea....UNCONTROLLED pH value test...

Well it remove easily.... But when comes to a busy seaosn for a week or two i have to wash my white car for 2 weeks once. Sad the see my car with melted mascara! haha...

Anyway, the other day my neighbour scratch my car deep scratch on the fender and small scratch on the left back door. How sad to see people cant even tolerate to just come to my door step to tell me something. Cause opposite of my house was having a grass cutting and trimming trees.






I think the towels are crazy, i previously tried the Sonax Microfiber. But is not that bad...



This post has been edited by kalvinkhoo: Aug 28 2014, 10:28 AM

Looks like you stained your MF badly.. Can it be rinsed off easily?



Nice review and explanation.. Now I know OPC and Megs having the same Ph..

Anyway, where do you bought those gallon of OPC? Tak nak jual in small bottle ke?

Errrmmm....how small?

Is that before or after you wash the cloth? Got a pressure washer? I had very good results by soaking my mfs in diluted dish washing liquid or liquid detergent for a couple of hours then blast it with a PW....couldn't get 100% but, I'd say 90%~95% la...

Ermmmmm.. *trying my luck* 1 ltr?

Errr....can la. But with two conditions:
1. You'd need to come over to Shah Alam to pick it up cuz arranging a meet up is so so difficult nowadays since my work schedule is so unpredictable.
2. I'm letting this stuffs go from my own stash so don't tell anybody about this.........

1. Shah alam as 'Shah Alam' or 'Shah Alam ~ puncak alam or setia alam or kota kemuning? - PM me the price n place for COD.. Possible on weekend?

2. Don't worry.. It's a secret between two of us only..

Btw, why you like OPC so much & aren't they selling here anymore?

Currently no stock with Jack at D'llien hive. From sifu zerosp oso no stock..

Actually I need OPC as previously I was using DG UO and now sudah mau habis.. But to be honest, I don't really feel 'this is it' with DG UO. Dunno why..

I oso need ONR since I have 'job' to do this weekend thus really need to use both..

ic...sorry, don't have much of ONR left myself so can't help you out with that.

my perforated leather seat got a bit "black bulu" coming on top? .. anyone have idea? going to kong?

meguairs leather conditioner seems like cant get rid of that bulu ..

No prob master.. ONR not so urgent as I have 'another' product works similar as ONR..

ook degreaser + wheel brightener / iron x + tar remover. problem with frequenting this thread: shopping list have to kee growing and growing and growing

correct! not sg wang la, but it is daiso's one. RM 5.

woh very good analogy on the 'organic' soiling & 'petroleum' based soiling there. Osren has Multi-Clean? didn't see it on their website, maybe will ask them directly when i visit them. but anyway, i saw their description of their Fabric Cleaner says can clean pvc panels, vinyl dashboard, etc.. so i guess i'll use this to detail interior.. and degreaser for tyres and wheels. dedicated wheel cleaners... next time first la, really need to control my spending here. but i really appreciate your lengthy insights on these will keep in mind next time when my shopping list can grow *bookmarking the post

my little advice is dun over addicted with chemical, stick with 1 or 2 will be good enough, i understand the feeling of trying new product is great but with krimas sifu PH finding, meaning the product aggressiveness is the same....

Perhaps focus more on paint protection is more important

i echo this

more importantly: know what you REALLY want.

I'm of the opinion that chemical cleaners also play a major role in MAINTENANCE. Cleaning with proper cleaners will reduce the risk of damages. I have to admid that some of these chemicals are quite 'potent' but, used properly, dedicated cleaners are far more effective then the 'one or two' chemicals that can 'do all'. Well, it's just me....i'm just a guy who prefer separate shampoo AND conditioner as oppose to shampoo WITH conditioner. No short cut for me unless it's necessary or works as good....

No worries, it was before washing the towel with detergent. All is well after some Dynamo and a thorough rinse.

You can prioritise and shop around for deals / garage sales / cheaper brands.

They didn't add it to their website, but Osren's Henry said it's RM40 for 4L ...

Forgot to tell you OPC is back in stock lol...