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 Help me choose a tyre, Normal drive, speed around 130-160kmh

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post Dec 6 2013, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(Zer07 @ Dec 2 2013, 02:44 PM)
Which size is better as well??

215/45/17
215/50/17
notworthy.gif Thanks in advance
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Change from 45 to 50 profile tyre will make the speedometer inaccurate by a lot. The 50 tyre is much bigger than 45. Best to stick to original size.

QUOTE(6UE5T @ Dec 4 2013, 11:07 PM)
PS3 thread wear is actually 320, while F1 is 300. Advan DB I think is even higher. Advan Sport though is very low at only 180/240 depending on size. T1S is also only 180.
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You can't compare one company rating to another company rating. Each maker have their own way of doing the test so it will not be accurate. Only can compare with the maker few patterns.
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post Dec 7 2013, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Dec 7 2013, 01:50 AM)
True that it's not 100% accurate but still a useful indicator.
It's like engine specifications as well, for example both the Lancer Evo & Impreza STI are rated at say 280HP but one is a bit faster than the other and yet still you can get a good indication of how much performance both of them capable of, which is surely way faster than an average 100-200hp sedan, but still much slower than a 500HP GTR.
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Engine rated power can't be used as comparison of speed even when the 2 cars have the same HP, still depends on many other things such as torque, weight, gearbox ratio, etc. such as KTM X-Bow is lesser HP about 20% than Evo 10 but accelerate 0-100 faster.

Makers of tyre each have their own ways of determine the threadware rating. you can compare different patterns from a maker but you can't compare between different maker. some maker even have a threadware of 700, do you believe that tyre can outlast double than other maker threadware that didn't even half of that?
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post Dec 9 2013, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 9 2013, 02:34 AM)
actually no, for UTQG, which is printed/certified by the american DOT, they are tested by a uniform standard.
refer:
http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Shoppers/Tires/Tires+Rating
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/tec...e.jsp?techid=48
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Dude, do you even read the link that you provided? Basically the link are saying the same thing that I said, which is different pattern from different maker can't be compared, only different pattern from same maker can be compared.

Excerpt from your second link:
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Unfortunately, the rating that is of the most interest to consumers is the one that appears to be the least consistent. While the Treadwear Grade was originally intended to be assigned purely scientifically, it has also become a marketing tool used by manufacturers to help position and promote their tires.

The problem with UTQG Treadwear Grades is that they are open to some interpretation on the part of the tire manufacturer because they are assigned after the tire has only experienced a little treadwear as it runs the 7,200 miles. This means that the tire manufacturers need to extrapolate their raw wear data when they are assigning Treadwear Grades, and that their grades can to some extent reflect how conservative or optimistic their marketing department is. Typically, comparing the Treadwear Grades of tire lines within a single brand is somewhat helpful, while attempting to compare the grades between different brands is not as helpful.

Unfortunately for all of the money spent to test, brand and label the tires sold in the United States, the Uniform Tire Quality Grade Standards have not fully met their original goal of clearly informing consumers about the capabilities of their tires. Maybe it's because tires are so complex and their uses can be so varied, that the grades don't always reflect their actual performance in real world use.
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post Dec 10 2013, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 10 2013, 12:54 AM)
if course i read em, from the US gov site:
and from tire rack:

i too can quote selectively! laugh.gif

sure it can be inconsistent however it still can be used as a decent guideline which is what me/ 6UE5T is trying to find out.
unless of course tire makers are totally fine about getting fines. (pun totally not intentional)

that is of course provided consumers are fully aware of what they are getting into, such as good performance + good nvh = damn shit treadwear (due to very soft tires) and anything above 300 or so is very unrealistic figures that should not be trusted.
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it's not about who can quote selectively doh.gif

it cannot be a decent guideline since makers can manipulate the data and make a not really soft compound tyre to have lower than 300 threadwear. and again they can manipulate the data to have ridiculously high threadwear so that consumer would think this tyre can last very long.

Even PS3 have threadwear rating above 300, so thats mean this tyre is not UHP?


from the link: "While the Treadwear Grade was originally intended to be assigned purely scientifically, it has also become a marketing tool used by manufacturers to help position and promote their tires."

so a maker can make a half decent tyre, put very low threadwear rating and called it extreme HP tyre while charging premium price. and consumer will flock it just because it have low threadwear rating which suppose to mean good performance + good nvh.
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post Dec 10 2013, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 10 2013, 11:04 AM)
like i said, it's a mere guideline and consumers should also be self-informed by doing their own asking in forums/threads such as this, read up reviews from websites such as tirerack.

that's usually the norm before you buy something especially when they are not cheap such as good tires, no?
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i say, don't be mislead by threadware rating when making decision for purchasing tyre. read review, comparison, test result is ok. just don't believe the threadwear.

 

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