Hello all,
Why would one choose their Medical Plan at Standalone or Combine with their Life Policy?
Insurance Talk V2, Anything and everything about insurance
Insurance Talk V2, Anything and everything about insurance
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Apr 27 2014, 05:25 PM
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Hello all,
Why would one choose their Medical Plan at Standalone or Combine with their Life Policy? |
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May 12 2014, 09:39 PM
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Hello all Insurance Sifu,
I'm glad that we have honest and upfront Sifu sharing all the great knowledge and in-depth Product Information. Sifu roystevenung, does Prudential has No Claim Bonus/Benefit for ILP+MedicalCard? Also, what do you and others think about having two separate Policy? One focus on ILP+Medical with Premium payable until old age. While Second on Life+CI, on Terms Insurance. |
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May 14 2014, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ May 12 2014, 11:40 PM) Yes, the plan is called PRUhealth medical rider that is attached to an Investment Linked Policy (ILP). I am very much agree to your honest statement to terminate Income Replacement for Life/CI at Retired Age such as 55 or 60.It is rather common to have a marriage of ILP+medical with Term insurance, be it from the same insurance company or with different insurance company (for risk diversification). The main reason why nowadays people prefer to attached the medical rider to an ILP is because in general most of the stand alone term policy only provides cover till age 70. With the ILP you are able to plan ahead and get covered till age 90 or even 100 (if you can afford to pay the premium). Another reason is ILP has the ability to attach rider that waives the premium payment so as not having to worry the policy may lapse if say the person has stroke and is not able to work. As for the Life/CI, since it is more towards income replacement, you may choose to only get covered till age 60 and terminate the plan. I may get flamed from agents but what else is new Well, unless you get married late/adopt a kid late and at age 60, your youngest is still small (another reason to get married and have kids earlier After 60, you may want to swing that premium to the medical card. Because I received my Quote and find out the All Insurance Charges started to Double/Triple between these ages. No longer sustainable to keep these Riders or such High Sum Assured. Will lose all your cash value very fast and not able to keep the Policy as plan up to age 70. Actually, what I meant earlier is I am planning to get ILP with MedicalCard. And an another Life+CI+EarlyCI such as GE Great Ideal Living - A Traditional Insurance with Fully Paid Up option in 10 or 20 Years, and yet Coverage up to 70? Is there such plan? Lol But as you said, why the need for Income Protection at later age, one should save and prepare him/herself a reasonable Retirement Fund. But just for this discussion, what you think? I believe such Traditional Insurance does not come cheap. I am not sure the clause and age coverage yet. I'm sorry, I used wrong description, not Term Insurance. I believe some perceive Term Insurance as Standalone. What I meant is Traditional Insurance with Guaranteed Fully Paid Up Option within 10 or 20 Years. QUOTE(ExpZero @ May 13 2014, 03:40 PM) I don't suggest to own two policy unless necessary to avoid unnecessary administration charges. In your case, ILP+medical will be more suitable to you shall you do not have adequate of medical protection with you. Hello ExpZeroThanks you for your reply. I had received your Proposal (Quote). The Coverage + Premium are indeed attractive But as I said above and with roystevenung, they are not sustainable in the long run (after retired age). Nevertheless, there are Income Protection. We shouldn't need Income Protection after Retired Age, as we are not working anymore and Retirement Fund should kick at this time. This post has been edited by weirdguy: May 14 2014, 08:55 AM |
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May 14 2014, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(ChrisGood @ May 14 2014, 01:31 PM) Hi, Hello ChrisGood & roystevenung,The plan that you need to pay only 20 years but provides a coverage up to age 70?. Insurers are creative, of course they have the plan you mentioned/ or similar. Certain companies do. Higher premium of course, and after the 20th year, you may come across a letter asking you to top up some premium. Do some research with those who bought these type of plans years ago when it was oven hot, typically those aged between early 40s to mid 50s now. Listen to what they say. Ask why they bought, and analyse the features. Everyone wants a magic, cheapest plan with high coverages over long term. But the money ( cost) has to come from somewhere. Insurance is all about how much you value yourself. How much do we value ourselves today, tomm, 5 years, 15 years, 20 years from now? In today's money (premium), are we willing to allocate say just rm300 to cover myself for the next 30 years?. If the plan is fixed (buy cheap now but coverage amount is X amount), what do I do if I outlive the term of coverage and by then I find myself valuing myself even more? Willing to pay more then at my older age? Insurability is not a problem because I am super healthy then? So may questions. So many options. Nothing is free, nothing is cheap and very good. Every product has it's pro and cons. But the best balance amongst so many products in the market today would be the investment -linked. Prudential started this product imore than 15 years ago and competitors scorned, telling their clients that it's no good coupled with false accusations. Then now they too, embrace it. It's affordable, flexible, you upgrade or downgrade it according to your needs, drop riders you think it's no longer of use or upgrade accordingly. Buy a term for some coverage over certain years but understand the features and why do you need a term insurance, or traditional endowment if you want to diversify for savings purposes because of it's guaranteed features. You are indeed correct on those experience. My Mother In-Law also currently face this issue. I just learn about it last few days when we were reviewing my In-Law Family Insurances. She is of course unhappy. No one will be happy. She was told initially Fully Paid Up Option is available and she only have to pay up to Year 10. Then at Year 10 or 11, she received a Letter that this Fully Paid Up Option was not available due to Funds Not Performing Well. The letter clearly state the Fully Paid Option was NOT GUARANTEE, before mentioning that. Well, Well, Well. Luckily my In-Law bought very minimal premium. She is thinking of giving up by this year. Other than this, I also hear many similarities. I always thought those are Investment-Linked Insurance, until now. Really now, I mean. Because of this, I have always try to study the T&Cs behind. Not just insurance, also include Product & Services. As you said, which I also always told myself, nothing is free this world. There must be some setback somewhere. I wonder why those Agents so cold blooded. I also wonder, shall we have able to use Class-Action Suit against the Insurance Company for negligence in improperly train their agent as such problem is wide spread. We could have them enforce the initial promised Fully Paid Option. Hence, I did write in my previous post, that I am hoping to learn - a GUARANTEED Fully Paid Up 10 or 20 Years Traditional Insurance with Life + CI. Just so you guys know, I did being offered by AIA - US$ 8 Guarantee for Life + CI. The policy did clearly indicate 8 Years Payment only, and coverage until my Age 101. But the Premium is super gila This post has been edited by weirdguy: May 14 2014, 09:56 PM |
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May 14 2014, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE(MNet @ May 14 2014, 09:59 PM) I was being offered.No, I don't stay in the States and never been to States. Though I hope I could live there for some time, just to experience The reason I was being offered is I am personally interested to get different currency of some sort of Financial Products, as way to fight off Inflation as well as Currency Devalue. Hence, I got such offer. It may not be the best, but nevertheless, it was an indeed a special offer. I think some other Insurance Company do offer Foreign-Currency Policy once in a while. |
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May 14 2014, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE(MNet @ May 14 2014, 10:34 PM) It is a Policy offered by local Insurance Company but in US$.You pay in US$ and return value is in US$. This policy is issued locally and will covered you locally as well, according to Contract. Also, I am not an Insurance Agent. Please consult with AIA Agent, shall this policy is still available. I just share, what I had been told and listed in Sales Illustration. |
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May 15 2014, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE(ChrisGood @ May 15 2014, 10:13 AM) What are you trying to say?Are this statement pointing to my offered Policy? QUOTE(ChrisGood @ May 15 2014, 10:13 AM) Let me tell you one experience I had with this company. It's a true event. This was abt 5 years ago when company A was in turmoil. Nearly collapsed and Pru almost bought it for USD650M. Check the past news. I am not offended. This is a Discussion Forum and are not directly sponsored or legally abide to any Insurance Company.My client bought 3 endowment policies with company A. Each policy abt rm10k, paid yearly. The agent told her just pay 10 years and reap sky high returns, collect back money from company A on the 10th year. This agent also works in a bank, so he has the data of customers who have a lot RM in FD. He targets those aunties typically. ... shortened; please refer to original post On the way back, my client called the agent. He picked up and said " aunty, If you say I cheat you, is also for your own good. I cheat your right pocket, the money also enter your left pocket mah..you continue lah please don't surrender and if company call you say you don't want lose your money" Nothing. Nothing after a week, nothing after a year. She's still paying for it today on yearly, her husband was furious but so what. * after this incident she told me she has lost trust in all insurance type of savings plan. And she actually pity the agent who sold her this plan because the agent told her he's getting married at the point of signing up the policies. She says let it be. * I know her husband first only a few months before she took up these policies with company A. That time, her husband was looking for a med plan for himself. Company A can sell you wonders, dreams and I remember. Their med card was like buying huge limit but something that the policy holders can't actually use. Too many sub-limits ie cancer kidney dialysis can use only rm15k lifetime. The med card limit=big. Short term paid up policies, they were selling it like hot cakes. They have the traditional agents with them because this company was a giant back then. Agents that do not move with times, ancient. Today it's a different story of course. I am sure they have learned and improved. Even the newer plans are so much better. But it's the culture of their agents, or set-up, mindset. Something that trainings or newer facilities can't change. I am sorry I am here not to put down my competitors or be long winded. Buts it's something that we all have heard of or come across. Just to share so that ppl here are aware of not being too greedy. ChrisGood, I admire your active presence and others in this Forum to educate our Malaysian Consumer about Insurance. I understand that this is not a proper Education, as it is purely based** on Forumer's intention to seek quick answers or brief answers, whether what they had been told by their Agent are somehow alike. I had learned a lot from the past few days, from 30% Somewhat Understand about Insurance, to now, I can label myself as "Annoyance to typical Insurance Agent". You are correct that the landscape of current Policies industry-wide are different now, as us the Consumers are better educated - tend to read the causes and also research competitors offer, compare to past time - where a Customer buy an Insurance, not because entirely on the product, but because of Agent. You are also correct that it is due to Culture of Agents or their Mindsets. However, if it is to be in Class Action Suit, it is the Company's negligence of not identify such early warning of its Agents' widespread misconduct. The Company has the right to dismiss the Agent or re-train them, to let them know they are wrong. But they did not do such. The Company continue to flourish under this corrupt Culture of its Agents. They turning a blind eyes over ever increasing Profit/Revenue. **Correction made. This post has been edited by weirdguy: May 15 2014, 03:07 PM |
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May 15 2014, 03:22 PM
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Agreed. I am not surprise that such people exist.
We are human and exposed to attitude and emotion. Logic may not play a big role in our lifestyle and decision making. Such people, cold people are everywhere, not just in Insurance industry. I just wish stress this. I am not trying to bring hatred in this discussion. You know what, ChrisGood I remember that during my University time, I had to do a comprehensive Report for my English Unit. The topic can be anything but it had to be Argumentative with real fact support each of my opinion. For an example, Nuclear Energy versus Renewable Energy, or Desktop versus Laptop. Or Why being Vegetarian is recommended? Something like that. I did a topic on "Financial Literacy is mandatory to all students during their Secondary School". The reason I did such topic because I see the importance of it during that time. How we are starting to get expose to many Financial Products and Services, and with this Literacy, it is a way for us to at least understand some sort of basic in the real world. Not easily being cheated. I didn't do good on that topic, though deep in my heart, I utmost understand the importance of it. Even my English lecturer was surprise for my persistence with such topic. If I have the chance to revisit time, I will like to do "Financial Literacy is critical non-optional unit in Malaysia University. Haha. This post has been edited by weirdguy: May 15 2014, 03:22 PM |
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May 19 2014, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE(MNet @ May 18 2014, 06:37 PM) you may request to change to your preferred agent to avoid communication barrier. Please provide us a request letter signed by the policy holder stating on the reason for this request. You may send us the duly signed letter via email or fax at 03-2264 8499. Would you mind share your dissatisfaction with the Allianz Agent with censorship?Hahah Allianz very funny. If you complaint your Allianz agent, they will ask you change agent to resolve the problem. If there is Allianz agent that earn the commission from policy holder but did not provide services to customer, then Allianz will advise the customer to change agent in the name of "change to your preferred agent to avoid communication barrier" ? This solution is totally a joke. I'm not satisfied at all. - Unsatisfied Allianz Life customer I also just has a bad experience with one of the Agent in Lowyat. I'm not sure such matter is recommended to be disclose here since the matter occur here. I find myself sad and not sure what to do to meet such Agent who twist the reality and promise big. What could I and the rest do? This post has been edited by weirdguy: May 19 2014, 08:26 PM |
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May 23 2014, 11:11 AM
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Hello all,
I am trying to google for correct information about Government Tax 6% on Hospital Bills. Is all the Charges such as Day Surgery, Surgery, Diagnostic Test, Outpatient Treatment, Hospital Supplies and Services are chargeable with Government Tax 6%? Or only Room & Board? |
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May 23 2014, 01:11 PM
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ May 23 2014, 11:56 AM) It is covered in your medical card. Understand.Never had any clients feedback that they need to pay this except when the KPJ Hospital had a funny idea of charging clients for an additional Rm5 per bed sheet (about 3 years ago). Imagine going to a 5 star hotel room and to your horror the bed is without bed sheet! Of course now they had stop this ridicule charge after many people starts to protest. But I wish to understand how this Government Tax 6% calculated from Hospital Bill. Does the Tax applicable for Hospital Services like Surgical, Medical Report, Diagnostic Test, Consultation and Treatment? Or the Tax simply applicable to all Net Subtotal of every Bill? |
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May 23 2014, 10:20 PM
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