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kaiserwulf
post Jun 16 2014, 04:51 PM

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My friend is an actuary with one of the companies promoted here. He advised me to go find agent to buy some specific products with specific lengths. Most worth for me with leanest commission for agent. I was told its an inverse relationship for insurance- either i benefit more or agent benefit more.

I wonder if Malaysian service (the type of aftersales service Msians are notorious about) will be given if I were to do so. Sked to be the fat man at the low cost buffet- let the waiter and boss curse.

Side note, he has no problems as he buy internally to get himself and family covered.

Any thoughts from insurance ppl?
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post Jun 17 2014, 11:05 AM

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My friend is an actuary la. Not agent. He no sell, but he calc for the company. Very good salary oh...

Life and ILP are highest comm percentage. Term percentage also high but the premium lower, so overall agent earn less. Apparently for his company, ILP lower percentage than term.

Specifically during our coffee time, I am advised to buy term for short duration AFTER my kid is out. I.e. have a dependent.

I also only need to insure till I am 45 apparently. He says by that time I am a rich man with passive income (based on my job). Also say review and top up separate insurance if needed at age 40.

He never allow his family buy ILP as its rugi business for client. But he is not against it as his salary still coming from the company la. biggrin.gif Still need to feed his family.

I won't say more cos I think I will be disturbing some rice bowl de. unsure.gif

QUOTE(ExpZero @ Jun 16 2014, 08:25 PM)
I believe your friend is advising you to buy term. If you are looking for cheapest initial startup premium for life protection, in Great Eastern, Investment link can provide higher protection than term with same premium.

An insurance agent that only looking at commission will not last long in this industry as this industry required a person with passion and love toward what he is doing by helping others. I've been seeing a lot of agent who only prioritize commission left the industry after a year or so.

If you think your agent is good, try to refer some of your friend to him. He will appreciate you nod.gif
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post Jun 17 2014, 04:34 PM

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bnm 3 years then pru sg hq 8 yrs quit then back to kl 4 years de... ok thanks. so all ricebowl normal... Was worried. cos it open up my eye truly. Yes he say same like u about ilp being big moneymaker for the company.

Ok time to take it offline. Any 1 interested to cont conversation can pm me. Cheers.

QUOTE(adele123 @ Jun 17 2014, 03:25 PM)
Just want to understand something... your friend is a senior person, or junior staff? like fresh grad or already working for at least 5 years?

insure until 45 only? maybe you really can la.  I'm thinking that if say... after 45, you do have those passive income, then maybe even if your kids are still young, somehow it's ok. so i'm thinking about what if you are not around and those passive income disappears as well. anyway, if you know what are you doing then i shouldn't butt in too much. i'm guessing you are missing out on certain details. maybe it makes sense in your case. it really doesn't make sense to me say especially most people at 45 later on, their kids are still in school or very likely approaching uni

assuming a salaried employee with reasonable amount of increment each year, us normal people probably won't have those passive income later.

you won't disturb any rice bowl here la. You won't be the only person who has a friend working for some insurance company as an actuary or something. at the end of the day, those big insurance companies like GE, Pru, AIA are selling more ILP than not. it's like their core business...

commission is pretty much goes according to a scale (after all, bank negara provides guidelines on the max comm the companies can pay). if you really want to pay less commission, buying through bank it's better, cause bank sales staff gets less commission than agent staff... supposedly less la.
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post Jun 26 2014, 01:44 PM

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My friend apologised when he found out premium rates for term is high compared to first world countries.

Here we charge at least 15% more than omputeh country. So buy term and invest the rest not really applicable since 15% goes down the drain (i mean to insurance company pocket) at the get-go.
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post Aug 1 2014, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Aug 1 2014, 11:05 AM)
There WILL be such a thing.

This will be under Life Insurance and Family Takaful Framework

The idea is to have commission-free pure protection products sold via direct channel. Those are who are more financial savvy and can manage their own insurance without being serviced by an agent can go via this route in future. However, when this can really happen is still an unknown.

Here’s a piece of news by The Edge which will give a summary on this framework. Obviously the agents are not gonna be too please.

The Edge
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Just like advent of Fundsupermart iritating UT seller, the future Insurancemart will iritate insurance agent... problem still with claiming and representation rclxub.gif
kaiserwulf
post Sep 2 2014, 04:44 PM

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Usually high-end credit card got travel PA. How to claim ah?

QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Sep 2 2014, 03:04 PM)
Example:
John Doe has a Life insurance, PA, and travel PA coverage. He travels very frequently due to the nature of his job. One day he travels to Hong Kong and met with an accident that so unfortunately took his life. John passed away on scene.

This is what follows:
1. Travel PA pays for the repatriation of his remains, and 100% of sum assured.
2. His personal PA also pays 100%.
3. His life insurance also pays 100%.
These payments will be directed to the names that appear as nominees in each respective policy, in the percentage as dictated by John when he first incepted the policies.
If there are no nominees, these payments will go under his assets and be distributed according to his will.
If John Doe doesn't have a will, it will be handed over to the gov to be distributed to his family members according to the law regarding inheritance (can be quite a hassle).
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kaiserwulf
post Mar 13 2015, 03:25 PM

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My wife have company medical benefits after getting employed in MNC. She has a cheap medical card that she is still paying annually. I asked her to stop paying for it as medical claims will only be reimbursed by 1 insurance party only.

I told her to resume medical card only when she has no medical benefits from company. Am I right?
kaiserwulf
post Mar 15 2015, 03:41 PM

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I tot medical card is annual renew and no cash value. Something like p.a. Are you insinuating that if she don't show up as loyal customer for these 30 years, she is unable to buy medical card at 60?
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post Mar 15 2015, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Mar 14 2015, 12:20 AM)
The joker really getting more interesting. Priority for warga emas and jabatan kebajikan...  shakehead.gif

You are not so right on reimbursement by 1 party only. Hypothetically, if i have 2 medical card... Medical card A has limit 10k. Medical card b pays anything above 10k up to 100k. If your bill is 80k, you get 10k from A, 70k from B.

Medical insurance claims pay you back as to put you in a no-loss situation, so will cover you that 80k, no more than that

In an ideal world, yes, one can get medical card when she does not have medical benefit. That will save you alot of premium. In the real world, when we get older, we get funny things like diabetes, high blood pressure  and insurance company may not accept us.

Say i'm 23 right now and working with medical card. It's quite an extreme example if say i dont buy any medical insurance until i retire. One can either get it after 40 (maybe) or stay healthy or get a medical insurance with high deductible that has option to reduce deductible.
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