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 Insurance Talk V2, Anything and everything about insurance

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post Apr 25 2015, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Apr 25 2015, 03:25 PM)
If i buy pru med value plan R&B RM100 with med saver, but I stay at R&B RM500, so how is the calculation?
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Just pay the difference.
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post Apr 25 2015, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Apr 25 2015, 06:31 PM)
how about the medical cost?
even though stay at higher r&b, pru will also fully reimburse the medical cost?
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Yes. Just need to pay the difference of the R&B
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post Apr 26 2015, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Apr 26 2015, 12:01 PM)
Pru med value point is 1.5m or can flexible choose up to 10m?
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MVP comes in 3 plans, Rm1m, Rm1.5m & Rm2m

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post May 3 2015, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(danielwoo @ May 3 2015, 10:18 PM)
Dear all,

I am very new to insurance policies and would like some advise on the premium charges and how it was calculated.

How does the policy holder knows the premium they had been paying equals to the optimum benefits getting? I don't see any premium (charges) guidelines provided on website of those insurance companies (Prudential, AIA, Great Easterm etc) I only get to know the amount from the agents.

My concern is, can insurance agents mark up the premium let say RM 500 monthly for the same benefits that RM 300 premium can be getting as well. The difference of RM200 to be consider as agents commission.

I understand insurance agents need to earn commissions but just to make sure consumers are not slaughtered.

Please correct me if I am totally wrong of the above?

Thanks.
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Before signing anything, you are advised to get a full sales quotation and/or brochures/Product Disclosure Sheet (PDS). The sales quotation will state the coverage and the premium that you need to pay.

No, there is no way an agent is able to mark up the premium vs the coverage given. Just make sure that you get a full quotation which states the coverage and the amount that you need to pay. The quotation is generated by the system.

Once you have received the policy document, do check it versus the quotation given by the agent. If there is riders left out or missing, you are advised to surrender the policy document within the 15 days cooling off period and get a written explanation from the agent as to why.
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post May 3 2015, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ May 3 2015, 10:35 PM)
u mean I buy RM1000 pa premium VS RM5000 pa premium for 100k life plan only.

Agent will get the same commission?
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Comparing life vs PA is like comparing apple to orange, hence it is not a fair comparison as evidently the insurance charges differs.

PA is only payable in an accident whilst life pays in the event of death (irrespective of the causes).
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QUOTE(MNet @ May 3 2015, 10:49 PM)
life is referring to ILP life/tpd not PA life
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For Prudential, it is not possible to do in the quote system as there is a minimum sum insured rule that needs to follow based on the premium entered.
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QUOTE(MNet @ May 3 2015, 10:58 PM)
Agent commission will only last for 6 year.

So at the 5th year, I'd upgraded my premium from rm1000 to rm5000 pa.

In this case, what will happen to agent commission ?
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Agent will earn another 6 years of commission based on the RM4000 premium, but of course, you are getting the upgraded coverage.
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QUOTE(MNet @ May 3 2015, 11:02 PM)
I already upgraded but from the proposal illustration that generated by HQ, it show ended at year 6 only.

Subsequent year there is no commission
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Yes, that is what I said. On an upgraded policy, the agent will only earn on the upgraded portion for another 6 years.

Thereafter, if no further upgrades is done, the agent won't earn anything.
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QUOTE(MNet @ May 3 2015, 11:26 PM)
I mean I'd upgraded at 5th policy year, but at 7th year, agent is not earning anything from all my policy already.
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It doesn't work like that. It works exactly as what I had explained above. The RM1K commission for 6 years. Since you upgraded on the fifth year, the RM4K will be another 6 years from the upgraded date.
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post May 11 2015, 10:53 AM

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I am just wondering how the family members is able to withdraw money from a person who went MIA? hmm.gif
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post May 11 2015, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 11 2015, 11:15 AM)
To get money from account of deceased, you need dead cert and proceed to do the LA (or Will if got), only then money belonged to deceased can be distributed.
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Yes I know that, but she is MIA, hence no dead cert will be issued unless there is a special inquest being held to expedite the death cert.

Like the case of the UMNO tower collapse whereby without a shadow of a doubt the evidence gathered from both the CCTV recordings and eye witnesses puts Mr Lim in the car on that ill fated day.

How was the family able to get the death cert so that they can get the money in bank?

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post May 11 2015, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 11 2015, 11:34 AM)
For ordinary case, 7 years of waiting.  sweat.gif
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So how does this differ from having to wait for 7 years to withdraw money from the deceased estate as opposed to having to wait 7 years for the insurance payout directly to the beneficiaries, creditor proof?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 11 2015, 01:29 PM)
Little difference as those asset under the single name deceased cannot be touched at all (even her housing loan still needed to be paid sweat.gif ), but other family members' saving account can be used immediately upon those contingency needs.

As mentioned earlier the mother MIA case, it was the father and in law family saving in the bank that help the family/child went through the difficult period, but not those "financial security" as someone claimed.
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Bro, I see your point of having some form of emergency savings in bank.

They have to pay the bank loan or risk having the BANK confiscating the house and worse getting her as bankrupt.

However, I have yet to come across any women who put money into her husband account, let alone the in laws, for savings for rainy days, seriously. whistling.gif

Your money is my money, my money is my money.

Of course other family members whom are concerned with the kids well being have to chip in since no one can touch the "deceased" estate.

There is a huge difference between the savings in the bank vs the insurance or EPF payout as they do not form part of the deceased estate.

After the 7 years wait is over, money in bank will be used to pay off the creditors, bank loans, credit card, business owing, even the Government UNPAID Taxes!

Whilst the insurance/EPF payout goes directly to the beneficiaries.

Still very little difference?

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QUOTE(ftan @ May 11 2015, 01:13 PM)
It won't be total exclusions but for sure there will be some. Else everyone will be complaining. Hehe.

conqu3ror and JIUHWEI, thanks for the confirmation on the coverage for gov hospital.
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The easiest is to have the client going to a panel hospital.

If admitted to a panel hospital, and the case is able to be covered, the Guarantee Letter will be issued.

If it is NOT cover able, a declined letter will be issued.

If done at a non panel, the Doctors might not be well verse with insurance claims and/or the Exclusions of the insurer.

The SOP for records department of the GH is 2 weeks to get out the report which will result in delay of the claim.

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QUOTE(mobileapps @ May 11 2015, 05:56 PM)
as some told me before, investments are like flowers, and insurance is like a basket to carry the flowers.  sweat.gif

savings, FT, good for emergency cash. Unit trusts too (myself have withdrawn few times before due to cash flow problems, and luckily it has good returns, gain back 100% in few short years). insurance for long term...at least a bit is better than nothing. put into insurance only when yr cashflow is strong.  unsure.gif
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It does not solve Cherroy's issues as when a person is MIA, there is no one able to withdraw the cash (if its on her name alone).

Gaining back 100% after a few years means you loss the interest and only manage to break even?

On the insurance part, do insurance when there is a compelling need for protection, not when you have extra stash.

Extra stash invest/save to grow, not in insurance of course.

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QUOTE(mobileapps @ May 12 2015, 01:45 PM)
LOL, why you wanna grab the MIA persons money? he/she could very well wanna chau lou and enjoy life elsewhere?

if its kidnapping, murder, etc, a death cert needs to be produced, or wait 7 years.

basically, insurance is to mitigate risks. or shared/reduce your risk.

financial security comes from other forms of investments, while insurance is to help mitigate unforseen risks. apa mau argue la  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(frosteer @ May 23 2015, 12:41 PM)
Hi hi, adele123
She bought it two years back.  Cash value roughly only 700, so withdraw cash value is not an option.
Calculation done and her policy will lapse on coming sept if she stop paying premium.

Current situation,
She already decided to let it lapse and already not paying it this month because she's facing some financial challenge.

Yeah the charges is veil veil high. If she were to give up this policy, I' think she cannot get same benefits with same premium again, even now.
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Quite frankly, no one can help her except herself if she is facing financial issue.

More importantly we are in no position to provide any solution as we do not know what kind of financial problems that she is facing.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 23 2015, 01:29 PM)
Solve the financial difficulty first before thinking about insurance.

Just like fill up your stomach first before thinking of getting smartphone.
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Yes, and giving her another policy to replace her current policy is not helping her but helping the agent whistling.gif
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QUOTE(frosteer @ May 23 2015, 04:39 PM)
So u suggest just let it lapse, then after that buy another one next time when financial issue solved?
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If she really cant afford it, there is no choice but lapse the policy.

However if she is concern on the medical only and she can afford to maintain it, she can ask her servicing agent to remove other riders like CI, Payor & accci med
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QUOTE(MNet @ May 24 2015, 08:47 PM)
Question, for pru ILP plan, if I pay in advance, the advance payment(let say 6 month advance payment) will be park under
a. excess payment
b. buy the unit trust

Which is the way?
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It will be Excess Payment unless you specify that the payment is to do "top up" to buy units (PruSaver).

For ILP there is no discount even if you pay in advance.

I believe the above applies to all insurance company with the ILP


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