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post Nov 24 2006, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(W-iNNie @ Nov 24 2006, 09:35 PM)
thx for the feedback.
im currently studying in UM tho i cant say we've had any site visits yet (as a group)
oh well....being in this course has made me look forward to those site visits.
with the first sem over, i can definitely say for sure this time...yes...i too wont mind spending all that time in a bus.
truthfully..i wanna believe now more than ever that the success of an architect does not depend on the uni but one's own hard work and determination.
architecture is stressful ...but FUN!Hihihi...
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u're from UM?

may i ask wat r the min. requirements for STPM students to enter the archi school of UM (specific details)? i really need to know~ can u pls help me ask around (ur frens/lecturers/intake dpt)? pls pls... and sorry for the trouble! blush.gif

and oso, r the lecturers good and professional? wat r the courses being studied?

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post Nov 25 2006, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(europology @ Nov 24 2006, 10:16 PM)
u're from UM?

may i ask wat r the min. requirements for STPM students to enter the archi school of UM (specific details)? i really need to know~ can u pls help me ask around (ur frens/lecturers/intake dpt)? pls pls... and sorry for the trouble! blush.gif

and oso, r the lecturers good and professional? wat r the courses being studied?
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i think the min requirements are what's mentioned in the UPU online form when u apply for local uni. i m not sure whether it changes over time or not...but most prolly its the same...stuff like min grade C...tho i doubt neone in my course has very low CGPA. hmm...but from my year....there arent that many stpm students. something to think bout.

ive ony finished my first sem in um archi and cant compare the standards of lecturers.afraid im not qualified to do so.hihi.
as for the subjects,...we have design studio, methods and materials of construction, environmental physics, history of architecture, architectural communication, and information skills.

hope that helped enuff...
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post Nov 25 2006, 07:17 PM

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ok thx. is it tough, boring? how many ppl in one class (lecturer to students ratio)?

i might want to ask u more in the future... tongue.gif

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post Nov 25 2006, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(europology @ Nov 24 2006, 05:50 PM)
wat r the diff between the international curr in USM and the one taught in UTM and UM? UTM's is not international version? and if they r going to make any changes, wat wud they be? wat r the changes that hv been made by UTM or UM, but not USM?


UM, UTM and USM are all currently using international standard. what i meant by non international is when the intake of students before (before 2000) were all from SPM. international standard for intake into degree courses are STPM/A-levels. so after 2000, they've standardized everything. USM have been using the STPM standard all along.

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if u said that STPM requirements for UTM, UM and other local unis r the same, means that to obtain at least grade C in 3 subj taken excluding the Pengajian AM (this is wat i obtained from the UKM/UPM website)? well, to think that UM --- the premier uni in M'sia sets the min requirement to grade C? weird... i tot they want grade A, A, A!

and oh pls do update us with more info as soon as possible! thx ya~
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contrary to most belief, the intake requirement for all universities in malaysia are pretty low. although some are still higher than overseas requirement. however, we're talking about competition of intakes. if 2000 students apply for architecture in UM in 2006, probably the top 100 will make it, where their results may range between multiple As or so.

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and oh btw, is UTM/UM/USM twinned with other foreign uni? can i do let's say 2+1 degree smth like that for architecture?


no. not currently. malaysia does not recognize twinning programmes for architecture (refer professional code for architects).

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u're studying in sheffields rite? how did u get to enter that uni --- isit UTM sends u there, or isit part of ur master degree plan, or isit u who wanna do a further study after obtaining a degree?

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i'm doing my PhD currently fully sponsored by the government through UTM. i've always wanted to study up to PhD level, and UTM is one way for me to achieve this dream. biggrin.gif.

currently in singapore changi airport. will update later.
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post Nov 25 2006, 09:06 PM

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contrary to most belief, the intake requirement for all universities in malaysia are pretty low. although some are still higher than overseas requirement. however, we're talking about competition of intakes. if 2000 students apply for architecture in UM in 2006, probably the top 100 will make it, where their results may range between multiple As or so.

is architecture a hot selection among students? cos i tot the hottest ones are engineering, medic, accountancy, IT. cos architecture needs one to hv basics in drawing skills rite? and not many own that.


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i'm doing my PhD currently fully sponsored by the government through UTM. i've always wanted to study up to PhD level, and UTM is one way for me to achieve this dream. biggrin.gif.

currently in singapore changi airport. will update later.


wow PhD! is it those who got the brightest achievement will get sponsored by UTM? how rare is the chance?

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post Nov 25 2006, 09:54 PM

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tough? of course.but that's what makes it all the more fun. the challenge.
the lecturer only gives u 20% and the rest...u have to put in ur own effort.
at the end of the day....no matter how hard the assignment...how tired u get from the sleepless nights...it all pays off...when u see that end product.

hmm....teacher to student ratio? i know utm has a 1:17 tutor student ratio where they have 80+ students...but here at um....my 1st year class only has 42 students. and we have four tutors.each week we're assigned to one of those tutors. but we usually crit with the other 3 as well to get more input.

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post Nov 25 2006, 10:32 PM

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actually UTM's staff:student ratio is 1:15. that's the maximum allowable ratio for architecture studio. intakes per year is about 80-100 where yearly applicants are about 1500-1700 by average. that means only 1 student actually made it out of 15.

other more popular courses usually has a ratio of about 1:40 to 1:70, depending on school and year of intake.

architecture is not exactly popular, but there are only 5 professional fields in the world, and architecture is one of it (besides medicine, law, accountancy and engineering). more and more fields are becoming legally termed as professional.

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wow PhD! is it those who got the brightest achievement will get sponsored by UTM? how rare is the chance?


chance has more hand in it than my "brightness" lol. since everyone assumed its hard to get sponsorship for post graduate studies, NO ONE actually applied when i applied. my results are above average, but not exactly spectacular. u see, sometimes understanding the situation is quite important in determining ur chances. biggrin.gif

its the same with average students who got into universities. sometimes, its just a matter of luck that they got in, not necessarily bcoz they knew someone or use under-table money wink.gif.

i'm here to help people understand the system. remember, for architecture, u dont need to be good at drawings. u need to be creative!


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post Nov 25 2006, 11:51 PM

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how old r u actually? 20+ i assume? and you hv become a lecturer there at such a young age? my gosh~

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its the same with average students who got into universities. sometimes, its just a matter of luck that they got in, not necessarily bcoz they knew someone or use under-table money

speaking of this, maybe u can kindly lend me ur so-much-needed helping hand on this matter when i apply nex yr, since the competition is soooooooooo intense, esp when i apply with my so-average results. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif


so after completing ur PhD, means that u're a Professor? u're not becoming an architect? hv u designed any buildings in m'sia? i soooo wanna see ur masterpiece! thumbup.gif

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another q, wat do u think of the architecture course offered by the Uni of Northumbria, UK? good?

and isit recognised by M'sia and the Malaysian Board of Archi.?

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post Nov 26 2006, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 25 2006, 10:32 PM)
actually UTM's staff:student ratio is 1:15. that's the maximum allowable ratio for architecture studio. intakes per year is about 80-100 where yearly applicants are about 1500-1700 by average. that means only 1 student actually made it out of 15.


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hehe..sorry for the minor error there.
tho when i was in utm for a short while, my workbase had 17 people.
i guess it was just a temporary thingy then?
hmm...just out of curiousity...is it very hard to get scholarships / sponsorships to further my 4th and 5th year studies...besides applying for the ptptn loan?
it would be a bomb to pay off later... sweat.gif

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post Nov 26 2006, 12:41 AM

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hehe..sorry for the minor error there.
tho when i was in utm for a short while, my workbase had 17 people.
i guess it was just a temporary thingy then?
hmm...just out of curiousity...is it very hard to get scholarships / sponsorships to further my  4th and 5th year studies...besides applying for the ptptn loan?
it would be a bomb to pay off later... sweat.gif
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dont worry bout the cost la. juz concentrate on ur studies!

why did u change from utm to um? can change one ah?
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QUOTE(europology @ Nov 26 2006, 12:41 AM)
dont worry bout the cost la. juz concentrate on ur studies!

why did u change from utm to um? can change one ah?
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concentrating on my studies.that kinda goes without saying.
but some sort of future planning is also necessary to make sure i get to finish this course successfully....without ne worries...no?

let's just say my reason for changing....has somethin to do with the statement above.
i was lucky enuff that my appeal went through.
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QUOTE(W-iNNie @ Nov 26 2006, 12:47 AM)
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concentrating on my studies.that kinda goes without saying.
but some sort of future planning is also necessary to make sure i get to finish this course successfully....without ne worries...no?

let's just say my reason for changing....has somethin to do with the statement above.
i was lucky enuff that my appeal went through.
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ur results must be excellent arent u? mind to tell me wat r ur results that made u successfully enter these 2 unis?

so which uni's archi course appeal to u the most --- um or utm? how about the school environment all those things?

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QUOTE(europology @ Nov 25 2006, 11:51 PM)
how old r u actually? 20+ i assume? and you hv become a lecturer there at such a young age? my gosh~
speaking of this, maybe u can kindly lend me ur so-much-needed helping hand on this matter when i apply nex yr, since the competition is soooooooooo intense, esp when i apply with my so-average results.  tongue.gif tongue.gif  tongue.gif
so after completing ur PhD, means that u're a Professor? u're not becoming an architect? hv u designed any buildings in m'sia? i soooo wanna see ur masterpiece! thumbup.gif
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Azarimy is about 29 i think. He first started teaching during year 2000/2001.

Doing well in your interview is important. You should impress them by displaying that you have good communication skills and fluent English.

No, PhD does not make you a Professor. You just can have a Dr. prefix in front of your name. You can apply for the Professorship after you have teached for a long time and have at least obtained da rank of Senior Lecturer and Assoc. Profesor.

Profs from local unis are drawing about Rm10K of salary a month if im not mistaken.
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thanks justin. that kinda explains it roughly. the title "professor" is being used differently in the US compared to the REST OF THE WORLD. in the US, professor is any person who teaches in the university, regardless if he obtained a phd, expert in the particular field, experienced or not. funny eh?

euro, i'm not sure whether univ of northumbria is recognized or not coz i couldnt check it immediately right now. will try to get the info for u later. but to be sure, there arent that many schools of architecture in the UK that is not recognized.

i have designed some minor buildings (bungalows/house rennovations). but the biggest design that i've had my hands on it is the Johor Administrative Building in Parcel C3, Nusajaya. it's still under construction, should be completed by late next year. it's a collaborative work though, but alot of my ideas are in it wink.gif.

so to put it simply, i'm doing a bit of both, practice and teaching. that's the only way to keep us (lecturers) up to date with all the skills and knowledge of the field.
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wow... great! waiting for ur updates~
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Anyone what is requirement for SPM holder to take architecture course ? I mean I am a science class student..but I didnt took any pendidikan seni ....Am I still eligible to take architecture course ? unsure.gif
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Anyone what is requirement for SPM holder to take architecture course ? I mean I am a science class student..but I didnt took any pendidikan seni ....Am I still eligible to take architecture course ?  unsure.gif
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do read other pages of this thread. It was mentioned there before.

I am one of the pure science architecture student who didnt take Pendidikan Seni.
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QUOTE(ccy1989 @ Dec 2 2006, 09:39 PM)
Anyone what is requirement for SPM holder to take architecture course ? I mean I am a science class student..but I didnt took any pendidikan seni ....Am I still eligible to take architecture course ?  unsure.gif
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currently, the main requirement for SPM holder to take archi course is: STPM/A-level or equivalent.

creativity is more important than artistic abilities. to put it simply, u need creativity + logic for architecture. do try to score on subjects that centres on those.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Dec 2 2006, 10:45 PM)
currently, the main requirement for SPM holder to take archi course is: STPM/A-level or equivalent.

creativity is more important than artistic abilities. to put it simply, u need creativity + logic for architecture. do try to score on subjects that centres on those.
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hmm...any foundation course straight to a degree for any architecture course ?

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