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Watashi0taku P
post Dec 22 2020, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ May 15 2017, 11:26 PM)
Tham, thanks for the suggestions. You are really the hemorrhoid local expert here.

So anyway, after doing my own research. Eventually, I went to sunway medical, um and ramsay parkcity.

For UM, seeing the specialist only would require an appointment of 2 months. So skipped here.

For ramsay parkcity, the doctor did advice me to do stapler because he said one of my roid is too big for laser. Cause after laser, the roid will swell and cause massive pain for few days. This hospital is EXPENSIVE! Consultations alone without medication cost me almost RM300.

For Sunway medical, the doctor is DR Chong who used to be in UM. He is now in sunway. He gave me choice of using Laser or Stapler. I double checked with him if my roids are too big to use laser but he said it is okay.

From the few consultations and reading online, here are my conclusions:
Stapler - best method with balance between effectiveness and least pain. Cause the stapler will fix the whole circumference of the inner anus. Recovery is still bad for some people and there is a very very little chance for some people of "feeling something there" for the rest of your life cause it leaves the titanium staplers in your anus..

Laser - most modern method, effective and least pain but only for small roids.

Band Ligation - fast and simple for small roids. But a bit of suffering post surgery. Cheap too as basically only need local anesthetic.

Hemorroidectomy (cutting it off) - most effective for removing large roids but the recovery is super pain in the ass (literally). Some people suffer for 2 months and still not recover. Basically this is the last line of defence when all else fail. Never go for this method unless all other methods does not work.

Anyway, I already had my laser surgery for 4 days now. I must say the pain is mild and much less than band ligation I had previously. The wound is still bleeding a little and I try not to move too much. Already had 3 BM and all is good so far. I do still feel like something is still there but I really hope it will go away after some time.

So to those who are still in early stage...please go for the laser. It will save yourself a lot of pain an agony of other methods.
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Hi Abubin,

I just went to Dr Chong Hoong Yin for hemorrhoid examination as well.
(*I initially wanted to look for Dr. Akhtar Qureshi as recommended by @Tham, however, most of the timeslot for Dr. Akhtar is fully booked.)

Anyway, Dr Chong have informed me, I have 3 internal - stage1/2 hemorrhoid, and 1 external hemorrhoid.

For the internal one, the Dr. suggested to use laser (probably cost around 8-9k).

However, for the external one, I am in dilemma choosing for the method,
Dr. told me that it is impossible to use laser, and the only choice is to go for hemorroidectomy.

He quoted "Any of the method is almost equally pain", and I am required to choose the method.
1. Ligasure bipolar diathermy
2. harmonic scalpel
3. conventional procedure (in terms of cost, he recommended this)
4. ...

He informed me that the harmonic scalpel is much more expensive compared to the other methods as the device is disposable.
The total estimated cost for laser + harmonic scalpel would cost around 15~18k.

After researching, it seems that harmonic scalpel and ligasure is both better compared to the conventional procedure.

Anyone have any suggestion/opinion on which method should I choose for the external hemorrhoid?




Watashi0taku P
post Dec 22 2020, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(Tham @ Nov 28 2013, 08:32 PM)
Are they sure it is just a skin tag ?

It may be an external pile. That's what I have now, after surgery to remove
some pretty huge internal hemorrhoids in 2003.

An experienced and reputable colorectal surgeon is Dr Akhtar Qureshi in
Sunway Medical Center.

Dr Anantharachagan is a general surgeon in Sentosa Medical Center, but
quiet experienced in hemorrhoids and colorecal surgery too.
Rubber band ligation, or banding, is not suitable for external hemorrhoids,
because they lie below the dentate line, where it is full of nerves and will
cause excruciating pain.

Dr Mohd Anis, who practises in SJMC as well, ligated me there a couple of
times over two decades ago, and the pain was horrendous for a couple of days.
I could barely sit down and felt as if someone or something was grabbing my
skin there all the while.
The latest treatment for internal ones appears to be HAL, or hemorrhoid artery ligation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLM_FSw_DME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6NVQzfQzkQ
Otherwise, if surgey is required, these are newest cutting devices :

1. Starion thermal welding
2. Ligasure bipolar diathermy
3. Harmonic scalpel
4. Laser
Make sure you don't go for the staple method (which I had), or else you
may end up with lots of problems.

Dr Samuel Tay in Sunway also uses Ligasure.
This clinic in PJ also appears to have Ligasure.

http://klinikbuasir.com/index.php/hubungi
Starion is now known as Microline.

http://www.microlinesurgical.com/company/a...roline-surgical
Ligasure.

http://surgical.covidien.com/products/vessel-sealing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9e4ArimjVU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDNyKfG9Bug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BWscApj-d8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcaP58wOses
Randomized Trial Comparing a Starion™ and
a Harmonic Scalpel™ Hemorrhoidectomy.

http://www.coloproctol.org/search.php?wher...vmode=PUBREADER
Prospective, randomized, controlled trial of Starion vs Ligasure
hemorrhoidectomy for prolapsed hemorrhoids.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17587087/
Comparison of Ligasure Hemorrhoidectomy with
Conventional Ferguson’s Hemorrhoidectomy.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3002768/
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QUOTE(abubin @ May 15 2017, 11:26 PM)
Tham, thanks for the suggestions. You are really the hemorrhoid local expert here.

So anyway, after doing my own research. Eventually, I went to sunway medical, um and ramsay parkcity.

For UM, seeing the specialist only would require an appointment of 2 months. So skipped here.

For ramsay parkcity, the doctor did advice me to do stapler because he said one of my roid is too big for laser. Cause after laser, the roid will swell and cause massive pain for few days. This hospital is EXPENSIVE! Consultations alone without medication cost me almost RM300.

For Sunway medical, the doctor is DR Chong who used to be in UM. He is now in sunway. He gave me choice of using Laser or Stapler. I double checked with him if my roids are too big to use laser but he said it is okay.

From the few consultations and reading online, here are my conclusions:
Stapler - best method with balance between effectiveness and least pain. Cause the stapler will fix the whole circumference of the inner anus. Recovery is still bad for some people and there is a very very little chance for some people of "feeling something there" for the rest of your life cause it leaves the titanium staplers in your anus..

Laser - most modern method, effective and least pain but only for small roids.

Band Ligation - fast and simple for small roids. But a bit of suffering post surgery. Cheap too as basically only need local anesthetic.

Hemorroidectomy (cutting it off) - most effective for removing large roids but the recovery is super pain in the ass (literally). Some people suffer for 2 months and still not recover. Basically this is the last line of defence when all else fail. Never go for this method unless all other methods does not work.

Anyway, I already had my laser surgery for 4 days now. I must say the pain is mild and much less than band ligation I had previously. The wound is still bleeding a little and I try not to move too much. Already had 3 BM and all is good so far. I do still feel like something is still there but I really hope it will go away after some time.

So to those who are still in early stage...please go for the laser. It will save yourself a lot of pain an agony of other methods.
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Hi Tham,

Thank you for the suggestion!

Hi Abubin,

I just went to Dr Chong Hoong Yin for hemorrhoid examination as well.
(*I initially wanted to look for Dr. Akhtar Qureshi as recommended by @Tham, however, most of the timeslot for Dr. Akhtar is fully booked.)


Anyway, Dr Chong have informed me, I have 3 internal - stage1/2 hemorrhoid, and 1 external hemorrhoid.

For the internal one, the Dr. suggested to use laser (probably cost around 8-9k).

However, for the external one, I am in dilemma choosing for the method,
Dr. told me that it is impossible to use laser, and the only choice is to go for hemorroidectomy.

He quoted "Any of the method is almost equally pain", and I am required to choose the method.
1. Ligasure bipolar diathermy
2. harmonic scalpel
3. conventional procedure (in terms of cost, he recommended this)
4. ...

He informed me that the harmonic scalpel is much more expensive compared to the other methods as the device is disposable.
The total estimated cost for laser + harmonic scalpel would cost around 15~18k.

After researching, it seems that harmonic scalpel and ligasure is both better compared to the conventional procedure.

Anyone have any suggestion/opinion on which method should I choose for the external hemorrhoid?




Watashi0taku P
post Feb 18 2021, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(canelle @ Feb 6 2021, 10:12 AM)
Hi Watashi0taku
Mind to share what kind of procedure u finally choose? How is the recovery?
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Hi Canelle,

At the end of the day, I actually went to KPJ Specialist Klang and seek Dr. Manohar.
https://www.facebook.com/kpjklang/posts/kno...52634071761072/

This is because he convinced me that he is able to perform the laser on the prolapse hemorrhoid as well.
He mentioned that, he will be cutting a small 'hole' on the prolapsed hemorrhoid and then use the laser to burn the hemorrhoid.

I am in 1 month post recovery, I think most of the pain has gone by now, I am able to do my daily routine pretty much.

However, do take note that, even though it is laser,
my experience with the first week post surgery is horrendous.
(I am not sure whether is it due to the external prolapsed hemorrhoid that is healing or the internal one,
but it wasn't as painless like what other users have experience it)

The first week of the recovery was really terrible,
I remember clearly the first bowel movement almost took my life...... if i recall it, the pain...... ohhhhh....

Gentle reminder: do take soft diet, more fiber, stool softener on 2nd or 3rd day if you do not have bowel movement,
and try to take lesser food to reduce the pain.
(Till today, i am still wondering why the hospital serve me rice, curry chicken, grilled chicken.......)

However, on the second week, when i though everything was almost 'okay',
something terrible happen, I am unsure is it due to the harden stool (I ate a little bit of junk food and etc, that caused the stool a little bit hard).

During bowel movement, i am unsure whether the stitch snapped or bacteria infection (Doctor mentioned this),
I had tremendous bleeding (only blood) coming out from my bowel movement from 11pm to morning 9am (around 8~10 times).

Therefore, I went to the ER at around 4am,
and the bleeding automatically stopped around 11am,
and the recovery process starts again..... (antibiotic, painkiller, daflon) - another 3 days staying in the hospital just to make sure everything is okay.
--> If the bleeding didn't stop, I may actually required to go to the OT again to stitch out the wound..... luckily the bleeding stop.....
--> It is actually quite common for this to happen, delayed hemorrhage, (on my 10 day post-op)

Fast forward (today), around 30 days post operation,
I think the pain has pretty much gone away,
I am able to sit and do my work,
bowel movement is okay, just need to maintain diet and etc, (lost 5kg with my current diet)
although occasionally, the itch is still there....

Advice: Remember to pat dry your thigh / groins / butt before applying any cream or etc.
(I actually gotten a yeast/fungal infection near my groins, might be probably caused by the sitz bath,
I pat dry my butt but didn't pat dry my thigh.... hahahahaha)


Total cost for the procedure including 3 days hospitalization and procedure is around 21k..... (take note that the laser equipment already cost around 6~7k)


* I didn't go for Dr. Chong because i wanted a full laser procedure, as laser procedure reduced most of the post surgery complication,
based on the some online review and etc, i think 30 days after post surgery with 1 large grade3-4 prolapse hemorrhoid removed,
the recovery process is already considered very very fast.
--> https://patient.info/forums/discuss/6-month...rough-it-657398
--> most people still have some issues on the 3~6 month post operation


General advise from the public community, take longer leave if you are going to remove a larger hemorrhoid.
Take a minimum of 2 weeks leave.


QUOTE(Tham @ Feb 17 2021, 05:30 AM)
$ 15.000 to $18,000 for a hemorrhoidectomy
is horrendous, even combining laser and harmonic scalpel.

That is almost as high as a heart bypass in the 1980s.
Stage 1 and 2 piles are relatively small.

Have you seen Dr Samuel Tay in Sunway ?
My sister went to Pantai Cheras several years
ago. It cost her $4,000 plus then.

I think she was operated on by this surgeon.

I am not sure which method he used.

https://www.pantai.com.my/cheras/doctor/gen...teoh-choon-meng
Pantai Cheras should be a little cheaper than
Pantai KL, due to the location, like 2/3 the cost.
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I think it really depends on the equipment being used.
The surgeon fee is around 2k++ for the operation.

But when i look through the receipt,
the laser equipment itself cost around 6~7k. (KPJ Klang - Dr Manohar)

Well, i guess everything is covered by the insurance..... hehe.....
hopefully, I do not need to admit to the hospital again....



Watashi0taku P
post Feb 19 2021, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(canelle @ Feb 18 2021, 03:12 PM)
Hi watashi,
Thanks for ur sharing. Felt sorry and frightened while reading it. Praying for ur speedy recovery.
Btw, dr didnt give any laxative like duphalac or lactulose after the surgery to ease ur toilet time?
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I am actually curious on this as well. rclxub.gif
The first time I discharged from the hospital, lactutose was not provided.

However, the second time, yes, the doctor provided.

I did some google checked, some recommended, some don't recommend laxatives,
this is because after surgery, you might not be able to fully control your bowel movement,
excess laxatives might caused leakage of bowel movement.

** Without laxatives, you will be also discharging randomly / bleeding a little bit here and there.

 

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