belfast ?

wah , damn ulu lah , not even on the mainland

Tend to agree .

But I would add , consider o/s UK like HK and SG .

better Unis and lower costs , why anyone is still consider UK in light of this I dont' know

MMM really funny I replied earlier but didn't seem to stick .

Out of your list , only 1 I consider is Man U . The rest are on a downward spiral.

If you UCL or Imperial is out of your reach then try :

Durham , Bristol , York , Southampton ,ST Andrews , UEA , Bath maybe Sussex etc top 20 up and comers .

Why not get out of UK and try NUS sg and HKU ?

UK fans don't get emotional or flame me , I am only repeating what are facts already printed in UK's own newspapers.



Beware all students and potential students UK :

As fellow Malaysians , we should all try and help our bros to get the best deal possible since UK edu is SO expensive unless there are some who want to hold back info from them , in which case their reasons and motivation for posting is highly suspect


I tell no lies :

http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.php

look at where - university of liverpool, university of manchester, unviersity of sheffield, unviersity of leeds, Cardiff or queens belfast are .

No one in the top 20 .


Anyone wants to know why , can ask me

If I am welcome then why are you being so sensitive and hostile ?

What " disgrace and stupid arguments " are you talking about ?

If you are referring to the Times Uni ranking , In case you haven't noticed , I am not the Times , if you think they are stupid or disgraceful , kindly take it up with them .


Or maybe since you cannot censor them you are afraid to talk to them.

Everything is global now so a relative comparison btwn UK Unis and HKU is valid , give 1 good reason why it is not ?

Where have I discourage anyone asking abt studying in UK ? Please back up claim and don't resort to bully boy tactics just cause you don't like what you hear?

Referencing the Times and stating what are top 20 Unis and what are not is not
" discouraging " in the true sense . A balanced view cannot be " discouraging " .

If I had a personal problem against UK education , I would not have said this :

If you UCL or Imperial is out of your reach then try :

Durham , Bristol , York , Southampton ,ST Andrews , UEA , Bath maybe Sussex etc top 20 up and comers .

I have 13 years experience in the UK including attending UCL , and visited 20 cities in the UK . I do think I know the country and have a lot to contribute.

I suppose you will delete this , go ahead that will only prove my point .

Well , let's say this anything I say is my opinion entirely and I am not trying to force anyone to follow me unlike some other people.

So , as far a THES vs The Times , I would follow the Times over THES

The times and sunday times have 100's years behind them and are the biggest most established newspapers in UK - that speaks for itself .

Also you must understand if $$$ and global comparison are important to you [ as i said it would be contrary to what others thought] , then why would you restrict yourself to UK U's ?

If you are looking at THES , By the same token HKU , NUS , Toronto , Michigan , Chicago etc are way above Liverpool etc . AND A LOT CHEAPER TOO.


Also facilities matter , and places like NUS and HKU are much more modern than liverpool, cardiff, manchester, sheffield . You want to work with the latest cgis and main frames don't you ?

Reason for this is that all UK U's are gov. owned and the UK gov sector is going broke , it has been for decades , your tutors shold have alerted you to this .

Anyone who has lived in UK for a while will know this as fact.


If you are only comparing UK vs UK U's then to me the Times ranking would carry more weight.

well 1st you prove it to me that this true , the link is dead .

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Added on August 22, 2008, 12:48 pmHe's not trying anything other than giving some facts , and I don't he will be too bothered if you care enough to find out.

It's an opinion , just as you have yours ,leave it at that.

I would add of course it is possible for any half decent U to produce good engineers but which is more likely to produce top quality people ?

A place like Toronto with near state of the Art facilities , value for money AND in a thriving glamorous city.

Or

A state U under great $ pressure since it's own Gov is in financial crisis with increasingly out dated equipment , expensive and in a run down part of the country like say Cardiff [ I know I have been to Wales many time and Glamorous is the LAST word I wold use for it , it can't even beat Bristol or Southampton as a nice location never mind Toronto].

Location matters , wonder why ?

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Added on August 22, 2008, 12:54 pm

Depends what you mean .

Wron and roight as in absolutely - No

But relatively - YES .

If it was me , it is a no brainer NUS HKU Toronto over Liverpool, Cardiff etc any day of the week .

Cheaper , much more glamorous cities , better facilities and better professors.

these places are up and going to rise further whereas Liverpool, Cardiff etc are down and going to drop further.

Sorry that's just the way it is , if the situation was reverse I would say the same thing but it is not.

Agreed , with Uk prices an extra year in HK/SG would come out to the same price maybe lower and you get much more prestige .

The Uk name alone does not command the same respect as it did 20-30 years ago.

Whereas HK and SG is up and coming .






This post has been edited by 2HK: Aug 22 2008, 12:54 PM

I will if you show me the survey ???



This post has been edited by 2HK: Aug 23 2008, 05:46 PM

You must be very rich going to UCL in this day .

When I was there the fee only gbp5000 and the exrate 4.5:1.

What been there , I live there for 2 years !

BTW , Bath is a historical , pretty and clean countryside town but the facilities are kind of old and worn out . Don't expect modern high rises with flashy shops.

I mean the place has been around since Roman days . Oh another thing , you better have a car cause the place is DAMN hilly , you try walking up and down - exhausting .

If you have to wait for a bus , very weird experience sometimes - like the bus stop on a 55 ' angle and then you have to board !

Not the worst place in UK , at least the class of people higher and less drugs and crime but there are better places.