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 Alienware Mothership V11, Intruder alert!

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post Apr 14 2014, 09:51 PM

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20 secs is the standard speed for a w7 cold boot with ssd. to have 10-sec boot install w8.x. raid0 will have further delays during POST. (raid0 means combine 2x identical hdd/ssd to become one drive; more speed and iops) in real life usage, not much difference.

also, there is no significant difference in boot time between uefi and bios mode. (well bios boot is slower imo)
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post Apr 15 2014, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(zat_90s @ Apr 14 2014, 11:14 PM)
oo ic..thanks for the good info bro...  notworthy.gif

actually i deleted my windows 8 due to lack of compatibility with many software and decided to use win 7 ultimate...
i think later will try uefi boot n observe if there any differences in booting time..  icon_rolleyes.gif
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as for the compatibility issues, i guess it happens during the first few months of every release of ms.windows. after that these issues will probably go away when app vendors catch up.

maybe i only use a relatively few apps in ms.windows that's why i have no issues upgrading (all of them are compatible, from w7 to w8.1.1)
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post Apr 15 2014, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(Aura @ Apr 15 2014, 10:52 AM)
UEFI vs bios boot. Definitely UEFI takes the cake. It's significantly faster, IMO. Maybe difference is minimal. But u can feel it definitely.

As for RAID-0 setup, the only benefit of RAID-0 is in gaming when u r playing open world games. Compared to single drive, the transition loading between sections is seamless. The other obvious benefit in RAID-0 is reduction of loading times for apps but this one is hard to see.

As for Windows booting time, u can't do much by changing ur setup. It will definitely be faster but comparing side by side between Windows 8 and 7, Windows 8 will always prevail bcos of how the way that Windows 8 handles the operations within the inside. In other words, better architecture.

If zat_90s really wanted to reduce the loading times on Windows 7, I recommend RAID-0 4 SSDs. Yet again, comes down to cost and also max bandwidth that ur motherboard supports.

My only final conclusion is if u really wanted that superior boot time, change to Windows 8 instead of sticking to Windows 7. That would be the cheapest alternative that u can find at this moment.
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to me even a single ssd is fast enough for app/game loading.

QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 15 2014, 12:20 PM)
hi guys, i have an issue with the M17x R2 display. yesterday, after i helped my friend to clean and repaste his M17x R2, the display appears to be bluish and if looked closely it appears to be thin blue vertical lines. the blue vertical lines suppose to be black in colour as during boot up, at alien logo the entire screen suppose to be black except the alien head logo.

as i cant find any solution, i decided to head home 1st as it is very late in the night and solve it by tomorrow. then, i was told by my friend that GPU-Z is showing that crossfire is not enabled, and in Catalyst Control Center there is no crossfire option anymore.

can someone help me to identify the issue?
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this one is most likely the cable connection issues. should try to reseat them. if you also touched the lcd cable, check the connection to the mobo also.

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post Apr 15 2014, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 15 2014, 01:51 PM)
well i did tried to resit it a lot of times but no luck. i worry it might be the cable being faulty.
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yes, these cables are somewhat very fragile. must handle with extra care.

er reseat which cable? the xfire cable or the lcd socket cable, or both? as long as you don't touch the end that connects to the display panel, it should be fine. (that part is kind of tricky for newer aw17) however, it's possible that you accidentally pulled it and made the connection loosed. you should also take a look at it i.e. this end that connects to the display (don't pull it out. just reseat it)
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post Apr 15 2014, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 15 2014, 02:27 PM)
i resit both. to access the CPU i need to remove the LCD cable as well. i just hope it can be resolved due to faulty GC as he is having crossfire issue.

no cable. does ebay has R2 ones?
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oh it's a little different when you do it for aw 18. the xfire/sli cable covers the cpu heatsink but not the lcd cable. (always take out the lcd panel with lcd cable attached to it, away from the chassis first).

you can trouble shoot to see if it's the xfire cable by taking out one card and test with only one card.

for cables you should also check taobao. you need xfire right?
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post Apr 15 2014, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 15 2014, 03:01 PM)
M18x is different than M17x R2. i didnt go further to remove the LCD just to clean and repaste the CPU and GPU.

i will try with drivers 1st, then the cards. im a little worried as this is the 1st time i ever encountered this, and i will be blamed for this.
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oh ya the laptop in question is m7x r2 sorry. well, it's better safe than sorry, especially when fragile parts are in the way.

for the cables check this:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r....&id=35023519647
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r....&id=18716590263
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r....&id=17004213644 - this one you need to ask the seller for ati xfire cable for m17x r2


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post Apr 15 2014, 03:53 PM

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it's called 屏线
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post Apr 15 2014, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 15 2014, 04:09 PM)
thanks. i will identify and fix 1st, then only order.
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maybe you should search using the part number also.
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post Apr 15 2014, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(mansooriqbal @ Apr 15 2014, 06:23 PM)
That's too much biggrin.gif

With 1080p I can't even see my enemies in battle field (like tiny dots with zoom)

I bet the gpu is 880m sli or better hehe
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post Apr 15 2014, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(mansooriqbal @ Apr 15 2014, 08:05 PM)
You need lasik eye surgery tongue.gif
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Oh my bad i meant without zoom hahaha!

My kill/death ratio always increases when i play games with laptops (17" screen is easier to spot enemies lol!)
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post Apr 16 2014, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(zat_90s @ Apr 15 2014, 11:28 PM)
ok so i need to change to win8 UEFI later.. haha..  drool.gif
thanks for info bro  thumbup.gif
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yeah you should smile.gif by the way you can also run w7 in uefi mode. however the difference is really insignificant compared to w8. like Aura said, w8 has much better system architecture.

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post Apr 16 2014, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 16 2014, 12:01 AM)
finally managed to solve my client's M17x R2 screen issue.
actually the faulty part is just the graphics card sitting, resit the graphics card and blue vertical lines gone. now works like charm. sweat.gif
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oh great smile.gif

hm.. didn't know the gpu sitting can be a problem.
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post Apr 16 2014, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 16 2014, 12:14 AM)
well, i tried by dismantle one of the cards and turn on. it appears that the main graphics card is not running at all, as there is no display. tried fit in the secondary graphics card and removed the main, there is display. then i tried install both, and works like charm again.
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thumbup.gif that's how my friend and i trouble shoot aw 18 previously haha

edit: nice.. haswell-refresh is out! less months to wait for the unlocked K's biggrin.gif then it would be the haswell-e with ddr4 ram support! (sk.hynix showed off their 128GB ddr4 already. samsung also showed off their 64gb versions biggrin.gif)

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post Apr 16 2014, 07:26 AM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 16 2014, 01:37 AM)
But we dont need 128gb for gaming only.
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Imagine you copy your games to ramdisk and run it from there biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Xirality @ Apr 16 2014, 04:15 AM)
Another video mentioned it's dual 780m. Impressive.
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Wow.. Really? I mean 780m sli can give good fps in a 4k screen? Thats incredible!

880m compared to 780m should be 15% awesomer only hehe.. But for 680m i think it's ok to upgrade
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post Apr 16 2014, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 16 2014, 08:21 AM)
i think 20% boost from 780M, and of course lower TDP, means less heat generated compare to 780M.

i'd like that too. laugh.gif
but i hope its possible (or if i never heard of it).
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for aw17 the heat from 780m is fine. the triple-heatpipe gpu heatsink is good enough. (however it's not in the case of cpu. my 4900mq generates a lot of heat during gaming. it's still bearable i.e. no throttling yet at room temperatures) r4 on the other hand are fine, the cpu heatsink are good for 3820qm and 3840qm with slight oc at room temperatures.

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yes it's possible with some tweaks here and there. however initially i think it's for desktops/servers only. (there is no laptop cpu that can handle 64gb ram yet :/)

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post Apr 16 2014, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(mansooriqbal @ Apr 16 2014, 02:06 PM)
That's why I love R4 huehuehuehuehuehue
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yeah that's the result of a few generations' improvements smile.gif

i believe the cycle will repeat for the new 17.

QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 16 2014, 04:20 PM)
planning to 'songlap' R4 once the price drops to 3k-4k
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a base model will work for you. i have one, but it's a beast now (after my cpu/ssd/ram/wifi upgrades)

will give it a new brain later (3940xm biggrin.gif)

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post Apr 16 2014, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(mansooriqbal @ Apr 16 2014, 06:23 PM)
How to know the specs! you never update your signature!
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hehe .. for now it's 3820qm, gtx 680m, 32gb ram (corsair vengeance 1600mhz cl10 from refnulf), 2x 256gb 840 pro, 1x 256gb samsung 830, 1x 256gb plextor m5m, intel 7260 .ac. this 3820qm is better for oc than 3840qm. (my other r4 is similar to yours except for amount of ram and ssd's)

my aw17 is a 4900mq, gtx 780m, 32gb ram (crucial ballistix sport 1600mhz cl9), 1x 512gb samsung sm841, 2x 960gb crucial m500, intel 7260 .ac.

however, trust me, don't go for 4900mq. the cpu is damn hot! (best served in air-conditioned rooms only) at room temperatures, be prepared to get shut down if you intend to play games for long hours, because of cpu overheating.

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post Apr 16 2014, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(mansooriqbal @ Apr 16 2014, 09:01 PM)
this 3820qm is better for oc than 3840qm

hmm why so?
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maybe because my 3840qm is not a good candidate for oc compared to 3820qm haha

you can try to oc it then play heavy games for 2 or more hours. see if the cpu can get overheated fast (turn hwinfo64's sensor page on while you do that)

edit: my current cpu oc is level 3 for 3840qm (4.3ghz). max temperature is 93c at room temperatures (this one is using linx 0.65) guess what? cpu throttled at 2.89ghz biggrin.gif

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post Apr 17 2014, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(mansooriqbal @ Apr 17 2014, 12:01 AM)
But does OC really helps in gaming? I mean CPU OC. GPU i understand. Until now I don't have the balls to OC as no more warranty for my R4 so I use it carefully smile.gif and i've maintained it very well!

I cleaned and repasted thermal on my Asus zenbook today smile.gif
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honestly, not really significant for gaming i guess (oc'ing gpu is better in this case) however for my work purposes it helps. (for common usage, it's not really that hot).

yeah don't do that haha! i just did a routine check on mine last weekend, nothing needs to clean up yet.
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post Apr 17 2014, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(Aura @ Apr 17 2014, 10:10 AM)
OCing both CPU and GPU does help in gaming. Gaming is not about how many cores u have. Most games are not optimized for multi core CPU anyways. It's about the speed. The higher the speed, the better it is. That's why many ppl invest in cooling for desktops for this purpose. Both CPU and GPU must be able to keep up with each other. If not, u'll get stuttering. Most ppl don't know that this is another determining factor for stuttering. Most of the time is the multi GPU setup but sometimes if the processor is too slow, this will happen also.

Nowadays we are more focused on OCing the CPU more rather than the GPU cos no point in OCing the GPU a lot cos GPU nowadays have overtaken the CPU. So, the CPU is the only one which needs to play catchup.
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i knew you will give a clearer picture about this lol!

yeah deep down i believe it helps. however if you do it with laptops, there are side effects like cpu speed throttling, which is counter productive.

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