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2014 Honda City
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Nov 25 2013, 03:19 PM, updated 13y ago
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macam cantik je...
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keyword: concept
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Nov 25 2013, 03:24 PM) SITI.. |
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Kalah civic...lel
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Nov 25 2013, 03:24 PM) this 1 jz fan made rendering. the pic posted is official |
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kasi tone down for production then jadi boring liao
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lol Siti
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nice to see, useless to drive
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paultan says, today launch at india..
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meh... another change shell vehicle that got nothing from the same powertrain
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concept time: all wow
mass production time: all boo.. |
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the back look like 3 series a bit
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I think TS should change the title to 2014 Honda City as this is not the concept, it is production.
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aaahh berbaloi lah aku simpang duit 5 tahun untuk kereta nih.
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honda ugly liao
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Jazz looks nicer
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will it still be 1.5?
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Have to day that BIOS has better looking than this one... Why Honda why!!!" I put high hope to city 2014... Turned out design super conservative...
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If i read korekli, the new city engine power downgraded to 100PS... now thats really sh!t...
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QUOTE(Tom Cruise @ Nov 25 2013, 04:24 PM) QUOTE(Plus+ @ Nov 25 2013, 04:28 PM) its 25.8km/liter fuel consumption! but its unlikely to reach Bolehland due to sub-par diesel as commented by Paul Tan. |
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Sabas poton!
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Macam transformer
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old city design nicer
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fugly wheels need to go and change the rims
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Low cost design & production... economy down time, is like that.
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![]() Update 1: Honda Car India presents the first, second and third generations of the iconic City. ![]() Update 2: Live event is going to start in couple of minutes. Update 3: Finally the event starts, and the fourth generation Honda City announced... Update 4: Honda target 6 million cars global sales by 2016-17, and 50% of total to come from emerging markets. Update 5: New Honda City is designed and developed for Indian market... Update 6: Over 2.2 million City sedans sold worldwide since its introduction in 1996 Update 7: Official- new 2014 City to come in both petrol and diesel versions Update 8: New City to house 1.5-l i-DTEC diesel engine. New city is bigger, bolder and stronger Updare 9: It will be the most fuel efficient car in its segment.. Update 10: New Honda City launch in January...Confirmed Update 11: Honda will start third shift at its Gurgaon production facility from this month to facilitate speedy delivery of cars... Update 12: Exterior concept- Sleek Crossmotion with Advanced Man Maximum and Machine mininum philosophy Update 13: Interior Concept- Layered floating cockpitUpdate 14: Advanced Man Maximum and Machine Minimum package - Smart Dynamic ad Smart comfort. It will come with long wheelbase, making it more spacious... Update 15: New 'H' design in the new Honda City, and will also be available in other Honda furture products... Update 16: New Honda City will feature a longer wheelbase (50mm) and will be taller than it's predecessors. Update 17: The interiors are spacious- shoulder room up by 40mm, legroom increased by 60mm and knee room up by 70mm Update 18: 5-inch display, Audio with inbuilt handsfree, rear wide camera, compatible with jackpot, eight speakers and four power outlets at front and rear seats, rear AC vents. Update 19: New honda city gets touch panel air conditioner and start stop function. Update 20: Feature rich, more spacious, better looks and the most fuel efficient in segment... the new Honda City is about to be unleashed. Update 21: Here it is... the all-new 4th Generation Honda City.... http://www.cardekho.com/india-car-news/new...erage-11756.htm |
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QUOTE The Honda City is a car which needs no introduction, at least not in India where it has stamped its authority since the very first day of arrival way back in 1998. The Honda City nameplate dates back to 1981 when the first generation model was launched in Japan. However, Honda discontinued the car in 1994 but the City nameplate was revived in 1996 for developing markets. Technically, the Honda City unveiled today is the sixth generation model but in its second run, it comes out to be in its fourth generation. The Honda City has dominated the C-segment for most part of its India innings (2.2 million customers world-wide since its launch in 1996), so playing second fiddle to any one else in its class is not something Honda wants. Thus the company has been quick in bringing in the next generation model which *clap* *clap* gets a diesel engine as well. The all new City makes it global premiere in India which highlights the importance of this vehicle for Honda India. Honda launched the Amaze earlier this year and grabbed 50,000 customers in less than 8 months. With the all new City, the company aims at a sales target of 1.5 million units globally by 2017. The fourth generation Honda City will draw power from the 1.5-litre i-DTEC diesel engine as well. Honda claims the new City would be the most fuel efficient car in its segment and also feature class leading interior space. The new City will also be available with an improved 1.5-litre, i-VTEC petrol engine. The company has already increased the production numbers for the Amaze and City to match up demand. The new Honda City has been designed to maximise interior space and provide optimum aerodynamics. The overall length has been kept the same, however, the wheelbase has been increased by 50 mm. The shoulder room has been increased by 40 mm and the leg and knee room too has got some improvement. The all new High-Balance Chassis system is yet another addition for better performance. Honda plans to launch this segment changing sedan by January 2014 which is said to be built on the “man maximum machine minimum” philosophy. Pre-bookings have already started, however, Honda would announce the pricing in January. Read more at http://www.motorbeam.com/cars/honda-city-c...s1Eeq47Df1PI.99 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Mana LED DRL? 6 airbag got or not?
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fuyoh got earthdreams engine
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got damm it that interior.... current gen no nd fight liao
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For the exterior design, the current facelifted version looks better to me.
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City interior is a lot better!
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Damn this city is too niceeee!! Better than new vios
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I just bought 2013 city...
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either honda had done a very good job on the previous gen (optimus grill) or this 1 is just not as good.... the previous gen won't look outdated when placed side by side with this gen
however interior is a leap forward |
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and why the fk the rims so small
previous gen rims so much better |
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Touchscreen aircond control? killing ergonomic and simplicity for something fancy, damn it.
And what happen to rear magic seat? those seat is the best thing ever in old city |
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it does look like 1 of kia's model
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See car also sienz
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Just curious
Whats the engine mia spec |
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Manual tranny on the City...? Now that would probably make it the most reliable of all cars on the whole wide darn planet earth today (if it not already is in history...). Also don't need to change the gear oil/ATF so often as compared to auto gearbox (perhaps just once every 6 months would do; & manual gear oil is also much cheaper than ATF...).
Driving a Honda City = Happier (happiest) getting stuck in traffic jams under the heat lol. --- This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Nov 25 2013, 07:24 PM |
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So what different??
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Just bought the 2013 city few months back.. but looking at the 2014 city's rims.. I don't think I'm regret at all
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I've learned not to expect Malaysia's Specs will be them same.
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And so it has been decided.
New VIOS J >> New City. |
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what is the differences between the old and new city? price still same?
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and later complain jam, expensive toll, expensive petrol, expensive parking ticket bla bla bla
when they could easily buy 250cc class bike and solve all the problems |
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QUOTE(danabu @ Nov 25 2013, 09:23 PM) Kalau ada alasan baik tidak payah kerja in the first place. Alasan hujan tidak releven sebab baju hujan berkualiti seperti givi mampu dimiliki malah boleh diguna dengan lasak hingga beberapa tahun. Umpama hendak seribu daya tak hendak seribu dalih. |
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how comes honda city's design is better than honda civic and honda accord..
Gosh!! very beautiful piece here... |
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not impress..
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Rear air vents?? Does Honda civic even have that here ?
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4k rpm dah merah? watefakk
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I like it very much.
Old city rear look like old 3 series e90, new city rear look like new 3 series e92. Lol. |
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not bad
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aesthetic looks nice but hows the handling and driving?
if honda malaysia price this the same as toyota vios, it would kill vios |
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Nov 26 2013, 03:14 PM) if your have a friend who own a kapchai or clutch bike, try do some training on them i always see L lisence plate hanging on big bike.... oh i'm B full license holder, the hard part probably doing "8" cause 600cc cruiser is really heavy that's what people do now right? |
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Nov 26 2013, 03:19 PM) if your first time taking B-full yesif already have B2 no need to put L or P, just upgrade to full license still recommend taking B2 if reaaaaaaaaaaally noob about bike, don't want to end like few first time bikers ride big bike cannot handle the power then crashed |
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QUOTE(soonlee33 @ Nov 26 2013, 03:32 PM) the supermoto version still not launch yet, though Boon Siew already said sohowever we have the dual sport version ![]() you can check in mudah.my for price http://www.mudah.my/Honda+crf+250-23969977.htm RM 22 688 you can convert to supermoto kit rim + tire = rm 1000+ |
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TS should rename this thread to rempit race thread
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Nov 26 2013, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Nov 26 2013, 03:37 PM) the supermoto version still not launch yet, though Boon Siew already said so What's de different this and duke 200?however we have the dual sport version ![]() you can check in mudah.my for price http://www.mudah.my/Honda+crf+250-23969977.htm RM 22 688 you can convert to supermoto kit rim + tire = rm 1000+ |
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Nov 26 2013, 04:08 PM
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Paultan group is paid to advertise... no big fun.. cant take their recommendations to buy...
name = SITI |
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Nov 26 2013, 04:10 PM
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Nov 26 2013, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Nov 26 2013, 03:23 PM) if your first time taking B-full yes oh. thanks. if already have B2 no need to put L or P, just upgrade to full license still recommend taking B2 if reaaaaaaaaaaally noob about bike, don't want to end like few first time bikers ride big bike cannot handle the power then crashed i already have B2. Penang island was my training ground last time! hehe... |
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Nov 26 2013, 03:37 PM) the supermoto version still not launch yet, though Boon Siew already said so i would root for keeway. only RM8k. Any comment for this motor? however we have the dual sport version ![]() you can check in mudah.my for price http://www.mudah.my/Honda+crf+250-23969977.htm RM 22 688 you can convert to supermoto kit rim + tire = rm 1000+ ![]() |
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i open this thread looking for fruitful discussion about Honda City as per topic. end up, cerita motor. wtf got derail like that.
inb4 F&F that way ---> |
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Nov 26 2013, 04:57 PM
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Nov 26 2013, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Nov 26 2013, 04:25 PM) china bike, good for everyday rideQUOTE(ibnunarsim @ Nov 26 2013, 04:30 PM) QUOTE(hidzwan @ Nov 26 2013, 04:34 PM) i open this thread looking for fruitful discussion about Honda City as per topic. end up, cerita motor. wtf got derail like that. inb4 F&F that way ---> |
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Nov 26 2013, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Nov 26 2013, 06:10 PM) keeway tx200g I mean Crf vs duke the spec might be inferior toward the Honda CRF 250L, but it should do the job nicely i own demak DTM just like you maintain a kapchai Oh btw . Keeway vs dtm vs xtm Xtm looks good with high buntut xD |
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proton > all
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