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post Nov 20 2013, 02:08 PM

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This incident highlighted the main issue of Malaysia education

Memorize format to pass exam only

Change format = all die
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post Nov 20 2013, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(Forgot Liao @ Nov 20 2013, 03:13 PM)
Stop blaming the students

It's the SYSTEM that requires them to MEMORIZE EVERYTHING AND WRITE DOWN THE ANSWER IN A PRE-ARRANGED PATTERN

One word wrong the whole question you got goose egg

It's the system that's at fault - it's the politicians that are making the whole thing into a mockery.
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You are the one who don't understand what I was trying to convey

Just like a product of the system itself.

I blame Malaysia's education system

Who set the questions?

Who set the format?

Who teach students to answer the questions and follow which format?

The students or the teachers?

So when I blame the system, who am I really blaming?
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post Nov 20 2013, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(Forgot Liao @ Nov 20 2013, 03:22 PM)
If you claim that I do not understand what you were trying to convey, it is because the way you wrote had CONVEYED THE WRONG MESSAGE !

Look at how many of the commentors in this thread are RE-POSTING your comment, as is, without adding anything
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Because it is the truth
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post Nov 20 2013, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(melvin91motorola @ Nov 20 2013, 03:25 PM)
u study also x guna if u no memorize all the nilai-nilai, kata kunci, definisi

u think so simple
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Then these students are worse

Already memorized all the kata kunci

Still cannot put them together into a proper essay
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post Nov 20 2013, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(5p3ak @ Nov 20 2013, 03:29 PM)
How you know cannot put together into a proper essay ?

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Pics or it didn't happen.  icon_idea.gif
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How you know can put together into a proper essay ?

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Pics or it didn't happen. icon_idea.gif
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post Nov 20 2013, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(Forgot Liao @ Nov 20 2013, 03:30 PM)
Aiyo, you still DO NOT GET IT, do you ?

You can put everything the way you like it, but the marker will award you with a farking GOOSE EGG !

According to the RULES which was SET DOWN BY THE MALAYSIAN EDUCATION SYSTEM - you MUST DO WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO OR ELSE YOU GET NOTHING

Do you understand this, Sir ?
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Yet another standard reply from a product of the system

Like the students, you are still harping on the scoring part

Because all you can think about is: HOW IS THIS FAIR I CANNOT SCORE A LIAO WHY SUDDENLY CHANGE BUT NEVER TELL ME

Instead of: WHY I SO NOOB CANNOT FACE SUDDEN CHANGES

or: SHIT LIAO, WHAT CAN I DO NEXT TO IMPROVE MYSELF

Well, sir, life is not fair

Your parents, your teachers, your peers never taught you how to live with "alternatives"

Complain all you want via proper channels, chances are those students will never score A in the test they took unless by some miracle they are granted a second test

You see, the problem with the system is, everyone prepares for just ONE option

They never consider alternatives could happen

I weep for Malaysia's education
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post Nov 20 2013, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Forgot Liao @ Nov 20 2013, 03:50 PM)
This is going to be the LAST reply to the trolls in this thread ...

1. SCORING IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR NON-MUSLIM STUDENTS because JPA will try their best to find excuses to NOT GIVING SCHOLARSHIP TO NON-MUSLIM STUDENTS

Which means, even if that students get 8-A1 and 1-B, he or she will BE OUT OF LUCK, especially if he or she is a NON-MUSLIM
2. To the NON-MUSLIM student, they play the RULES as long as the rules apply to them.

After that, they DO NOT PLAY THE RULE NO MORE.

You see how many non-muslim in Malaysia believe in the bullshit from BN?

On the other hand, you see how many Muslims in Malaysia still believe in BN's bullshit ?

In real life you can see the difference --- we NON-MUSLIMS know how to think, and because the system is STACKED AGAINST US we know when to play BY the rule, and when NOT to play by the rule.
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Geez, you act like only you know how the games are rigged.

For the last time

1: SHIT HAPPENS. MOVE ON AND FIND ANOTHER WAY TO LIVE. THERE ARE SO MANY ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE, NOT EVERYONE MUST APPLY JPA BECOME DOCTOR.

2. EVERYONE KNOWS THE GAME IS RIGGED. YOU CAN EITHER SIT DOWN AND CRY FOUL NOT GOING ANYWHERE, OR GATHER UP YOUR SHITS AND MOVE THE FCK ON AND CONTRIBUTE ACTUAL THINGS TO SOCIETY.

In real life, if everyone has your mentality, Malaysia has a very very very sad outlook.
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post Nov 20 2013, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(D-Frog @ Nov 20 2013, 03:50 PM)
What about those students in the past.Their format don't flee and doesn't change from x to y.
So what's your definition of unfair .
Being the guinea pig here isn't anyhow pleasant imo
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Definition of unfair: comparing to the past or other people in your time

"WAH WHY LIKE THAT ONE HE CAN GET A BUT I CANNOT"

or

"WAH WHY FATHER CAN GET A BY STANDING ONLY BUT I NEED TO RUN"

Well, son, life is unfair. Get over it. I'm sorry your teachers never told you that and probably my fault too since I never told you so
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post Nov 20 2013, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Nov 20 2013, 03:55 PM)
Shit shouldn't happen on purpose.

understand?
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They change it on purpose without telling you first

You didn't see it coming - oh noes! shits happens!

Much like

Robbers want to rob you without telling you first

You didn't see it coming - oh noes! shits happens!
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post Nov 20 2013, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(Starleo1212 @ Nov 20 2013, 03:57 PM)
OMG..I totally understand how you all feel now.Imagine memorizing 36nilai and key words but nothing comes out.Please ignore the trolls and focus on your next exam. smile.gif
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Trolls?

We're teaching you life lessson

Try to memorize for your jobs in the future
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post Nov 20 2013, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Nov 20 2013, 04:01 PM)
er...actually who are u to give life lessons to ppl?

state your qualification and occupation please.

else STFU.
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Yet another product of the system

Can't fight with fact - proceed to question qualification and status

Same like the KRU guy that produced Vikingdom
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post Nov 20 2013, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Nov 20 2013, 04:04 PM)
which part of NOT ON PURPOSE do u not understand?

are u saying that the education ministry is like someone on the other end trying to eff up the students?
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They can call it an admin mistake

But let's face it

The alternative of it would be "LETS TROLL THESE PEOPLE BY CHANGING EVERYTHING THEN DONT TELL THEM UNTIL ITS TOO LATE HAHAHAHAHAHA"

So let's sit tight and see MoE's respond

A mistake or a troll
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post Nov 20 2013, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Nov 20 2013, 04:05 PM)
so u have nothing to show? how then do u expect anyone to take your lessons seriously?

what facts do u even have?
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Fact number 1: Students can't deal with the sudden change of format
Source: Students clearly memorized keywords for the format, but unable to adapt for a change in answering format. Hence all the grief in the news quoted in first post of this thread, even speculating racial-foul-play

Fact number 2: Teachers' M.O. is to prepare students for the exams in that specific format
Source: refer to Face number 1:

Give me some time to dig up some more about the education system itself
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post Nov 20 2013, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(Forgot Liao @ Nov 20 2013, 04:08 PM)
The education ministry is just ONE of the MANY MINISTRIES of this RACIST REGIME set up to make the lives of the non-Malay miserable.

No matter if it's in exam or in business or in anything - they WILL TRY THEIR BEST to make our lives miserable

So long as we keep our lives as FRUITFUL as we can, they will get more PANAS and as long as we can keep our lives BETTER than theirs, they will SO FURIOUS and one day they will die of stroke and/or heart attack

This is the way we balas dendam - to make them angry so much that they kill themselves with their own anger
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You call us trolls

Acting like the mature one

Yet this post alone shows you are the immature one.
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post Nov 20 2013, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Nov 20 2013, 04:09 PM)
right, sit tight and wait for MOE's respond...now that sounds a lot better advice than your crappy life lesson bullcrap earlier doesn't it.
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LIFE LESSON: LIFE IS UNFAIR. SHIT HAPPENS. MOVE ON.

Cry all you want. But if I'm in your position, I'll sigh and maybe eat some ice cream to acknowledge the sadness of not scoring A in moral, then I'll move on.

If MoE gives me second chance, great

If not, well, ces't la vie
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post Nov 20 2013, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Nov 20 2013, 04:13 PM)
when u learn how to drive from the driving school and suddenly during exam day u are expected to drive differently without prior notice, then that would be grounds for some complains now don't u think so?

u don't simply change the format of an exam which ppl have been preparing for for a long time without prior notice.

its common sense
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That is true

It is unfair

But it also highlighted how the system works: Everyone was just preparing for ONE format when there are so many types out there. Essay, false or true, etc.

That is what I'm aiming my guns at

Studying in Malaysia, is just preparing for exams

It's like memorizing an essay without understanding what it really is

What is the point of perfect recitation of bible

Without understand what they stood for
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post Nov 20 2013, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Nov 20 2013, 04:22 PM)
if the system is faulty then why are u trolling the poor kids here?

They memorized moral studies because that's what the system expect them to.
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Since when I troll the kids here sad.gif I'm just telling them they should stop whining so much

No one taught them how to deal with alternatives

So this is a good life lesson

Move on and find another way to live life
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post Nov 20 2013, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Nov 20 2013, 04:28 PM)
well they were being betrayed (probably another exaggeration la) and the least we could do is to console them first and then guide them to what they would be expecting in the real world, right? They are already feeling victimised and shitty right now..no need to trollololol them anymore kua...
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To troll them = HAHAHHHA YOU SO NOOB HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

To help them = Son, life is unfair. This is the current state of things. You can either cry and stay stagnant blaming everyone else for the failure, or move on and find another way.

At least that's what I think sad.gif
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post Nov 20 2013, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Nov 20 2013, 04:31 PM)
the problem is Moral subject could being used to victimised the Non muslim students. they're already pressured to excel fully in other subjects to get Uni places/scholarship and to deny them for it just because Moral subject lower passing grade is simply unfair and unjust.

Moral subject being used to victimised others...is that a Morally right thing to do? Stupid system lah
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Exactly my point

Let's face it: chances of them getting a 2nd test for a chance to score A is minimal at best

So what you gonna do? Fail the rest of your life from here on, then whenever people ask why you so fail in life, you tell them because government don't let you score A?

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