hi everyone..

As the title suggest..which program do i need to use.I'm not planning to burn, just want to have it hardsub..

Thanks in advance for your help!!

u need to convert ur video too if u wanna make softsub into hardsub.. it takes long time n skill.. otherwise u will get crappy video..

Yep! Need to reconvert it

Does anyone got solution that can just merge the sub w/o reconvert?

Nope you can't for hardsub, if its softsub then no problem

I would suggest you to install VobSub to allow VDub to use the VobSub filter to add the ass, srt files and etc. For the video, convert it to lossless then reencode back to the destinated file in order to not lose much of the quality. Remember to use 2 pass encodes for best output of quality.

This post has been edited by shinjite: Jun 20 2006, 09:25 PM

I think few tools can do that job:

• AVI-Mux GUI | Homepage | Guide
• OggMux | Link (Post #92) (I didn't used this tool for a long time)
• MKVToolnix -- Matroska tools | Link (Post #93) (Same comment like OggMux)

It will be softsubbed only, not hardsub if you mux

Well, I just reply allvin, so it's not related to the thread starter topic.

Eh...soft sub mean subtitle must be loaded externally and hard sub is in the movie itself right ?Those 3 tools I listed do hard sub without reconvert.Maybe I can say like "wrapping" the audio, video, subtitle in one video package.Just my guest only.I didn't read it's manual or help file.

MKV will not make it hard sub, it will just include it in the package. I prefer softsub, unless I'm making karaoke effects for PV.

Muxing into a container only but you still need DirectVobSub to decode it which means it is still considered as an external subtitle which is softsub. Hardsubbed videos you can't extract the subtitles out. Its best to use the VobSub filter in Vdub and reencode it into the movie.

Hope this clears all doubts.

This post has been edited by shinjite: Jun 21 2006, 01:05 PM

Its the same with AVI or OGG Muxers. All include in the container only but its still softsubbed in the end.

Great discussion.I hope we don't deviate from the topic.I dig this from Wikipedia :

shinjite..can u explain it again?i'm a bit blur!what u've written there is how to hrdsub it isn it?

to hardsub, u need to re-encode the media, together with the subs using sub-filters.. u can do this even with virtualDub +vobSub filter

having a sub in a container like ogm n mkv is still considered softsub,as user can disable the subs

Yep! That's the downside. To hardsub, u need to re-encode the video. Need to set the bitrate high high, if not your video will be "cacat" version

Basically hardsub videos have the subtitles in the video itself where you as the user will not be able to extract it off anymore or edit it. As for softsub, the subtitles comes with the movie itself in the same container where it can be extracted out and be edited.

So if you want to hardsub the subtitles into the video, there are 2 ways:-

1) Download VirtualDubMod (freeware) and download VobSub and install. Once installed, you open VirtualDub and go to its filters. In the filter section, there will be a filter call TextSub. Open it and add in the subtitle that is supported like .srt, .ass, .ssa and etc. Once loaded, you can check the subtitles with VirtualDub b4 encoding the movie.

2) Install Avisynth and get the VSFilter.dll file. Its the best framework available for videos.
----Script----
Open notepad and type this :-
LoadPlugin("C:\avisynth\plugins\VSFilter.dll")

a) If the source is AVI, type:-
AviSource("C:\xxxx\xxxx.avi")
TextSub("C:\xxxx.srt") <--- example of loading a srt sub file, if others just change the extension

If the source is in mkv or other containers, type :-
DirectShowSource("C:\xxxx\xxxx.mkv") <--- same as above, follow the video's extension

b) Save the notepad into a .avs file and open it up in VirtualDub and encode it

PS : Make sure use 2 passes for your encode to achieve the quality. Best is to use a lossless source

thanks shinjite..Gonna try it later today!Hope it helps!

This post has been edited by atrash: Jun 21 2006, 07:35 PM

shinjite, where can i find '2 passes' option? and i can't use xvid compression mode..got error there!

The 2 pass option is in the Xvid codec configuration
Encoding type use multipass, 1st pass then go to file>save as and check the first checkbox at the bottom to enable encoding in batch mode. Then go back to the Xvid configuration and choose multipass, 2nd pass and repeat the same provess. Then go to File > Job control and start the encoding process

Probably your xvid corrupted. Try uninstall xvid and install the latest xvid codec

Thats why its best to convert the raw to lossless so that you won't lose much quality of it

shinjite, you're not aware that VSFilter.dll is also a VirtualDub plugin. just load the dll in VDub (or rename to VSFilter.vdf and put in plugins dir) and you will get the TextSub filter. however, i would never recommend anyone to use VD filters...just use AviSynth scripts with fast recompress in VDub...

and why would you need to convert to loseless when using AviSynth? avisynth is already serving the original frames as decoded from the source

Of course I am aware of it, that is why I put it in 2 ways. People won't know about it since its comes in packages like that.

About why need to convert it to lossless, you find it out for yourself then you know If you don't wanna waste time, you can just do it normally without needing the lossless.

This post has been edited by shinjite: Jun 22 2006, 01:43 AM

i tried last nite!but got some weird error!
1. after sometime encoding, task cannot finish because not enough space in c: -> b4 i sleep, i left c: with 24.6 gb free! after woke up, only 2gb plus free! The encoded thing is about 22gb and still unfinish?

2.for xvid compession, i've already uninstall and reinstall xvid codec with the lastest version, but got error 'startfile not found' ..why meh?

coz its lossless

isnt dvd already a good source? i dont see why we need to convert to lossless 1st before encode to desired compression

1. Maybe compression not properly selected.That's why ended with a big file.Can you describe steps you've taken & end up with such that problem ?



2. That error most probably you've not setup the location when doing 2 pass encoding.

Lol.
he forgot to compress the audio
1. Go to Audio and select Full Processing Mode
2. Click Audio again and select Compression
3. Choose the compressor (LAME MP3 for me)
Now you will not have a big AVI file



anyway, if ppl having problem diffrenciating the two subs,
i'll give an example :

Link: For sub in MKV and AVI

These two videos are of 2 formats, 1 is MKV and another is AVI
What makes the MKV's softsub so appealing to me is that I can change the subs (there are 2 included in there).
The AVI however are HardSub, but I need to use it as I want the sub to have
Karaoke effects on them. SoftSub cannot do this kind of effects.

Moderation: Link removed

This post has been edited by keyz: Jun 22 2006, 04:31 PM

Better if you extract the audio out first and only deal with the video
Audio later can be muxed together

finally i managed to do it!

but the file got bigger almost 2x..i mean the source is 458mb while the result is 708mb.
for video compression i use Microsoft MPEG-4 Codec V1 and for audio i use MPEG Layer-3 with 48kbit/s 24000Hz Stereo 6KB/s ..

is it getting bigger coz i got wrong compression type for video n audio? which MP3 format is better?

i still got problem with Divx codec and xvid..

divx:


Divx's error



xvid:



errors:





both i've reinstalled, but the problems still occur ! Does anyone know why?

erm..for 2 passes, do i need to do the 1 pass first?

multipass 1st past, then multipass n'th pass
no need 1 pass

I think 1st pass is mandatory.This step analyzes the source and records information needed for the subsequent pass. If you skip 1st pass maybe movie is playable, but is not at the best quality/file size and probably not MPEG-4 compliant).

ehh?
maybe these pic will give an idea.. been using only multipass 1st n n'th options [learned from some tuts]

however, i have no idea what its called in divX as i dont use em

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OH SHI~
i misunderstood the question

This post has been edited by e-jump: Jun 24 2006, 08:48 AM

There is an article on how to setup passes using DivX 6 (latest DivX) :

http://www.divx-digest.com/articles/divx6_setup_page1.html