Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed
10 Pages « < 2 3 4 5 6 > » Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

Investment 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market, Property Investment

views
     
SUSjolokia
post Dec 11 2013, 06:59 PM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Dec 11 2013, 04:00 PM)
I am actually not so worried, just considering my next move.  Worry also no use.  Better take action (if to offload) or don't take action (If to buy)!

I am tracking a few properties (subsales) on propwall and iproperties.  Some are dropping a bit.  Some, nobody buys, still raise price.  Propwall has better price for now. 

How about you, do you know any real cases around you ?

What I intend to do here is actually to gauge the real picture, and everyone here benefits.  Let's do a good deed.  All of us may have changed somebody's destiny!
*
Why care ? anybody here related to your good self ? if not just let them be lah, not that they would share their wealth or debts with you.
U would only make millions if other loss millions or vice versa, correct ?
If u believe price would go up further then buy more, if u think price would drop tremendously then sell now, if u think it's a glut then hold, why bother what other think & do, as I said in another post "listen to Michael Yam & REHDA" you wouldn't go wrong. (offcoz depends how u interpret their message lah..lol).
Even once proclaimed valley of abandoned house like Rawang, Bukit Jelutong, Semenyih resurrect what, but take a couple of decades lah, so why worry ?
SUSjolokia
post Dec 12 2013, 08:05 AM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...roblematic.aspx

brows.gif
SUSjolokia
post Dec 12 2013, 06:11 PM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 12 2013, 05:42 PM)
can u share where u got this from, link?

this is the 1st time i read such a statistic.

becos so far, i only read official figures - less than 2% bought by foreigners. just "kl", maybe higher but 16%... really?
*
QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 12 2013, 05:55 PM)
Sure or not? Show us the official numbers.
*
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...rs-to-malaysia/
PETALING JAYA: Malaysian property developers should embark on an aggressive marketing campaign to woo foreigners to buy into local property as a way to increase foreign investment in the country, according to real estate broker Malaysia Property Inc (MPI).

Its general manager Veena Loh said the number of foreigners buying Malaysian property has been stagnant in the past few years.

Foreigners made up just 7.2% of buyers in 2010 and 7.3% in 2012. Loh said most of these purchases were for business reasons and that there is ample room for improvement.

“We do not have a specific target on the number of foreign buyers… however, the current number is very minimal and there is room for more to invest in,” she said in a property developer forum held in regards to Budget 2014 in Petaling Jaya yesterday.

Loh said MPI, which matches up foreign investors with real estate opportunities, has been marketing Malaysian property in Indonesia, Japan, Singapore, China, India and South Korea.

“So far, the results are very promising especially for property in hot states such as Penang, Johor, Kuala Lumpur and Selangor,” she said. However, in Penang, the percentage of foreign property buyers decreased from 10% in 2010 to 6.7% in 2012.

Kuala Lumpur is still the location of choice for foreign property investors who made up 16% of property buyers in 2012 compared to 10% in 2010.

Johor has also seen an increase in foreign buyers from 12% in 2010 to 14% in 2012 due to the emerging Iskandar Malaysia project whereby Selangor remained at 2%.

She said the upcoming Budget 2014 should be investor- friendly as their presence is still needed as a part of drivers in economic growth.

Loh said the locals should not fear foreign investors monopoly as they are very minimal i n numbers and would not affect Malaysians.

“The 7.3% of foreign buyers constitutes buyers of properties ranging from half-a million and above.

Below that is 100% conquered by local buyers,” she added.

She said foreign buyers should not be scared by drastic policy changes, higher taxes or even higher stamp duties because any unnecessary step will divert the inflow of foreign investment to the country.


cool2.gif

This post has been edited by jolokia: Dec 12 2013, 06:16 PM
SUSjolokia
post Dec 12 2013, 09:14 PM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 12 2013, 06:49 PM)
tq, jolo.
realistic figures for the urban areas.

dilemma is.... if it goes higher, locals will moan and cry. if it goes lower, locals will curse and b****.

such is wat v get when the people do not have the brains, skills and opportunity to get high income likes these foreigners. except the dogs, of course.
*
http://my.news.yahoo.com/world-bank-sees-t...-063616678.html

Brace ourselves. .


SUSjolokia
post Dec 13 2013, 11:18 AM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(plumberly @ Dec 13 2013, 10:53 AM)
Interesting. Thanks.

2 things I keep in mind when I read articles:
* my biased mind filter - if I expect the bubble to burst, then when I read an article saying that, I will say to myself, see, this expert is supporting my expectation. And the dangerous thing is to ignore/don't believe articles which say the opposite. So beware of this natural human logic biased thinking.
* not everything they report is the truth, numbers they quoted etc. The data they quoted are from 2nd or 3rd parties which may be just opinion.

Nonetheless, good and useful to keep monitoring the development. Thanks.

P/S I like India's share index name - Sensex! Wah! Any state here starting with "S" for their motor plate number? One day they will reach SEX . . . . numbers! But I think they will not issue plates with SEX ....
*
http://www.worldpropertychannel.com/asia-p...uption-6328.php

Now we know why we been listed as among top 4 for ..ahem..lol

This post has been edited by jolokia: Dec 13 2013, 12:32 PM
SUSjolokia
post Dec 13 2013, 05:57 PM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 13 2013, 04:47 PM)
According to JPPH Q3/2013 statistics;

In KL, total numbers of condominium, apartments and service apartments is 165,574 units.
Incoming supply (i.e. under construction) is 46,098 units and planned supply is 14,613 units.

In Selangor, total numbers of condominium, apartments and service apartments is 227,535 units.
Incoming supply (i.e. under construction) is 53,527 units and planned supply is 32,932 units.

Can the market absorb about 36% of new stock (incoming supply and planned) in the next few years?
More staggering is;
In Johor, total numbers of condominium, apartments and service apartments is 32,454 units.
Incoming supply (i.e. under construction) is 30,789 units and planned supply is 24,263 units.
*
No problem according to pemandu greater kl expect to increase its population from current 6 millions to 10 millions by 2020, with 8.4 millions citizens & 1.6 millions foreigners from current 540K, assume we will have arround 26 millions population in peninsular Malaysia 6 years from now (current 23.5 millions), meaning about 1 in every 3 Peninsular Malaysians will be livings in greater kl.

This post has been edited by jolokia: Dec 13 2013, 05:58 PM
SUSjolokia
post Dec 13 2013, 07:58 PM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 13 2013, 06:55 PM)
Are you expecting newly borned babies and children to buy?
*
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...20-by-2020.aspx

According to this article the only way to reduce house prices is to build more house, to achieve 2.5 person in every house from our current 6.2 person in every house, assuming urban area to have even smaller family like less than 2, yes u need to get 1 for your parents, 1 for u & your spouse, assume you have 2 kids another house for them.

To reduce house prices we need more house, according to this particular developer write up.

According to REHDA the reason behind house prices escalating is due to huge demand & limited supply of land plus high demand of building materials, meaning the higher the demand the higher the price.

Now u see my drift ?
SUSjolokia
post Dec 14 2013, 03:42 PM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(tangibee @ Dec 14 2013, 02:50 PM)
I can agree if cheap prop is defined as budgeted prop and it did not go up much after vp (up less than 20%). Unlikely price cut to the level DDD campers are dreaming of.
*
Read from some expat forum US property market actually going into a long stall period before crashing, people would wait before finally give up.

Its a waiting game, so long not in desperate both buyers & sellers would test each other patients.

It's a fox & rabbit game, DDD campers is fox chasing for food while UUU campers is like rabbit running for life, if the fox missed the yummy rabbit can always look for other easier target (eg other investment), while weaker flipper may end up with a bankruptcy if can't afford after vp, bankruptcy in Malaysia is no jokes.

http://www.starproperty.my/index.php/artic...d-and-lived-in/

This post has been edited by jolokia: Dec 14 2013, 04:12 PM
SUSjolokia
post Dec 14 2013, 06:34 PM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(tangibee @ Dec 14 2013, 04:25 PM)
Many UUU will rather suitable as bull (not rabbit) and fox is welcome to wait.
*
Then many DDD campers r "Matador" laugh.gif

SUSjolokia
post Dec 14 2013, 08:57 PM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Dec 14 2013, 06:50 PM)
Land is state matter, not necessary need to follow wat Najib said, I think Penang, Selangor and Johore will not implement 1.0 mil threshold
*
Penang actually proposing 2 millions cap.

Johor additional 2% stamp duty on foreigners.

Government will not purpose such rule if it wasn't endangering the entire economy, U think u can still flip if the entire country go into what currently happened in Spain ?
SUSjolokia
post Dec 14 2013, 09:44 PM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(plumberly @ Dec 14 2013, 06:46 PM)
I was not paying attention to the economy when it crashed in the 1998 and 2007 (or there about). Was just focusing on my job.

Appreciate some basic pointers (what happened, learnings, the good and the bad, etc) from the ones who went through them with fingers on the pulse.

Many thanks. Cheerio.
*
Back in 96 no one expect the economy would collapse in 97-98, it was full boom, in fact u need to pay to join koperasi & pay large sum under table line up over night to get a house.

Properties was at full boom, every one thought economy would never slow down, It's thought that Malaysia going to join Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea & Singapore as 5th Asia Dragon.

One of my relative supplying building material still expanding his business, a year later went bankrupt as over expand & developer cabut with goods never pay, house, car, shop, lorry all confiscated.

One of my bros friend always jokes to us that he bought a invisible condo in the sky, end up paying 35K for nothing abandoned project was aplenty during late 90's.

U r indeed lucky never get a pay cut or cut your staff pay..lol



SUSjolokia
post Dec 14 2013, 09:55 PM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Dec 14 2013, 09:39 PM)
Do u think this is yet another  crying wolf  story ?

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors...llapse-year-two
*
Didn't u enjoy seeing movie like 2012, Armagadon, Independent Day, White House Down ? ..lol

But I do believe something is cooking, always attack China through Hong Kong remember Soros attacking Hong Kong stock market in late 90's ?
SUSjolokia
post Dec 15 2013, 10:58 AM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(plumberly @ Dec 15 2013, 09:59 AM)
Thanks for the sharing.

Some of us here are hoping and waiting for the bubble to burst and then get in to get some bargain properties. Right?

But saying it is easy. Doing it is another story.

How to do it? - rely on real estate agents?
What price is a bargain? - 30% discount from the peak?
When is the right time? - till RTM news says the property market is now at the bottom?
How much should one borrow? - maximise OPM (other people money) for this rare opportunity?
etc
etc

Appreciate some sharing on this to lay a better foundation/basis on this rewarding property journey.

Cheerio.
*
I would not share it with you even if I know the answer, the time I wanna let go my property it the time you should buy ... laugh.gif

Yes generally price increase over a period of time is unavoidable even our salary// income increased isn't it ? if not sure u cabut to another company or switch to other businesses.

The puzzle here is sudden surge in properties price over a short period of time, many salary earner sudden find them self no longer able to afford a house or a house their elder brother// sister able to buy when they r holding similar position as they r now, seem like everyone suddenly experience a downgrade in life, a manager suddenly found out that he need to register under PR1MA as any private property r out of reach, or some middle inincome group need to live next to foreign labour.

I alway use oil price in 2008 at USD 148 (says to be oil is depleting fast, in fact hidden in oil tankers park in the middle of ocean) as example I mean how can this be sustainable, many said fuel prices would soon reach RM 10/ltr I told them it is impossible as how u expect people pay RM 1600-2400 monthly just to pump petrol ? so does that mean one walk or cycle to work, eventually oil tumble below USD 50 & 5 years later which now still hovering below USD100 (should be lower if not because USD devalued from over printing). Did anyone ask what happened to those oil baron who bought oil at USD 148 ? still keeping it or sell at loss ? Spain bank which confiscated house from defaulter r now selling it at 50% of the price, house in US drop about 1/3 from 2006 peak levering 2002 prices.

Log term sustainable growth no problem, short term not sustainable growth be cautious. sweat.gif

This post has been edited by jolokia: Dec 15 2013, 11:04 AM
SUSjolokia
post Dec 16 2013, 02:23 PM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 16 2013, 01:34 PM)
Anyone has posted this article here yet ?

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/249444

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

*
Politicians ..hmm...I don't believe.

It's Bull market all the way, our income will match Develop country by 2018, house price UUU so buy fast fast before u need to live under bridge..
SUSjolokia
post Dec 16 2013, 03:04 PM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 16 2013, 02:36 PM)
I am not supporting this Azrul Azwar Ahmad Tajudin but he is more than a politician.
*
I know who is he lah ! Ex Chief Economist of a local bank, why I don't believe him because his predictions didn't materialised mah..lol

So now I think 2016 is boom 2 all the way, house price up 2 all the way.
SUSjolokia
post Dec 16 2013, 04:13 PM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(TiramisuCoffee @ Dec 16 2013, 03:51 PM)
If doomsday on the way, stock market will be d 1st 2 crash. Then only property market. If like that, property can still buy mah for long term investment. After the storm is over, sell! What do you guys think?
*
Please understand this our entire economy doesn't depends on properties alone, there r many other sectors.
Stock market not necessary reflect the economy, as money can be printed without gold guaranteed.
Other sectors crash will result property crash but when property crash other sectors may not.
Can be very very long, question is do you have the patience to wait, maybe can keep the house & pass to children like our grandfather. ..lol

Buy gold bar keep under your bed, no maintenance, can cash in fast, can even cabut with it, better than house. .wakakaka.

This post has been edited by jolokia: Dec 16 2013, 04:16 PM
SUSjolokia
post Dec 16 2013, 06:08 PM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


www.thetruthdenied.com/news/2013/04/26/ghost-cities-in-china-64-6-million-empty-homes-apartments-condos/

Wow no jokes !
SUSjolokia
post Dec 16 2013, 06:59 PM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


QUOTE(TiramisuCoffee @ Dec 16 2013, 06:40 PM)
Yeah, I,ve watched ghost properties in YouTube. Basically no one occupying one oh.... ! Nightmare! Why r d developers there keep building and building?
*
Because people keep on buying & buying, same senario in Japan 20 years ago building highway which no one use, now u know China endless economy growth come from, I see quite a few flipper feel unhappy when govt take measure to cool down the market, I bet they like to see this in Malaysia ..sigh

The 2016 predictions just could be very well come true, slow, stagnant & crash.
SUSjolokia
post Dec 17 2013, 08:41 AM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


Too much negative thought, here some positive. rclxms.gif

http://www.creonline.com/real-estate-bubbl...of-hot-air.html

So BBB Gala continue. rclxm9.gif
SUSjolokia
post Dec 18 2013, 10:48 AM

So Hot It Burns..!!!
*******
Senior Member
3,274 posts

Joined: May 2013


Penang Forum backs steps to cool house price rises

Penang Forum steering committee
11:35AM Dec 17, 2013

The steering committee of the Penang Forum welcomes and supports the recent announcement by the Penang state government to introduce new measures to cool the escalation of house prices in recent years.

The unsustainable rise in house prices in Malaysia, and many parts of the world, is due to many factors, some beyond the control of the local, state and even federal governments. A large part of it is due to the quantitative easing and loose monetary policies of advanced countries that have kept interest rates low.

In an environment of low or even negative real interest rates, many turn to property investment to beat inflation. Unfortunately then, housing is seen less as a means of consumption (a place for people to live) and more an asset class for investing and speculating. Just note the high percentage of unoccupied units in high-end residences. This is the basic reason for the huge increase in house prices.

Governments at different levels - federal, state and local - have different powers and instruments at their disposal to control house price increase and each must play its respective part. The federal government and Bank Negara have rightly introduced, though belatedly, measures to curb house price increases through lower loan to value ratio and incremental real estate property gain tax.

It is good that the Penang state government is introducing fiscal measures, in this case a levy on property transactions to curb speculative buying. The policy to impose a moratorium on sale of affordable, medium and low housing for limited period (five years for the former and 10 years for the latter) is also a right step.

As stated earlier, we encourage housing as a means of consumption, not a means for speculation. The latter hurts the ordinary people and benefits only a minority.

We urge the local council to also play its part to introduce measures such as incremental development property tax (higher development charges for high end housing and lower charges for affordable and low end housing), and stricter planning and approval conditions to discourage the over-supply of high end housing and encourage the supply of affordable and low end housing.

Hmm.. some sensible thought finally. rclxms.gif

10 Pages « < 2 3 4 5 6 > » Top
Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0259sec    1.14    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 2nd December 2025 - 03:17 PM