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Investment 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market, Property Investment

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SUSNew Klang
post Dec 30 2013, 04:30 PM

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Seems like the discussion is fast becoming out of topic.

Is this overdose of information from search engines?

The question is where are the signs of bubble?

Please close this thread if discussions are irrelevant.

This post has been edited by New Klang: Dec 30 2013, 04:32 PM
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post Dec 30 2013, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Dec 30 2013, 07:01 PM)
Property bubble mean price of property grow faster than income.

Isn't that relevant ? if you do not like what you read here you can always counter it with fact & your point of view.
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I appreciate the discussion thread contrbutions of all here. I also appreciate the examples of HK or other countries. The issue I have is not able to connect them all w.r.t. the property class that I have interest.
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post Dec 30 2013, 08:41 PM

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This thread has element of sadism and vengence.



Appalling.
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post Dec 30 2013, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Dec 30 2013, 08:47 PM)
I do feel that is happening as well. Y were they made? It is like how hate-rich was created during china communism era, in another form. The word "flipper" is badly hated in this thread.
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Was referring to the unpleasant details what was to be done to repossess.


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post Jan 1 2014, 12:18 PM

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Property is for long term investment of above 5 years holding period. Obviously investors should be diligent in expecting a few up and down economy cycle. This is basics of investment.

For short term investments the obvious one is equities. For middle term one go for unit trust.
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post Jan 1 2014, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 1 2014, 12:36 PM)
What will happen when long term investment is invested as if it is short term ?
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Only for undervalued properties. But finding them needs the skills of trained and competent persons.
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post Jan 1 2014, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Jan 1 2014, 05:04 PM)
Hello all just to share a "reality" of Gen Y today so that you can guesstimate our purchasing power and desire to buy.

I am a fresh graduate of local Uni (degree) with 1year++ working exp. Its already 2014 but I am still not able to secure a house. My friends are at the age of 24~27 years old. So far, their trend of lifestyle complied with Gen Y standards. I am lucky/unlucky to be born at KL, live here and landed a job near to my parent home. The unlucky part is that all the house surrounding me already at a bracket that require a 3k++ salary to own.

Back to our trend/thought of owning property, believe me when I said it is not even in our mind to own a property. Some of the "awakened" may start to look for investment properties but majority are aiming for:

1. Cars/Motors > The higher end the better.
2. Fashion sense > The coolest the better
3. Mobile phone
4. Getting married > Age of 25 is an age of desperation for love.
5. Fancy vacation
6. Social status > After achieving above points, we can claimed a somewhat "status" that we are brainwashed to believing it exist.

I am quite active checking FB, major of my news feed is about food, vacation photo, new car, getting married, but no one yet claim to own a house.

But if you think logically, there is no sentiment for our generation to own a house (yet) even after marriage. We are still looking for that "One" job, hence we might go to several places. If we are still singles, living with friends are the best thing that could happen. Do we need to worry about the increase of house price? I think we only cares about what phone will samsung produce to beat Apple. I know I cant generalize all my friends but most of my FB friends are also undergraduate, and sadly our education has not helped much in this matter.

If you want to wait for us, wait 2~3 years, when 1 of us started to own a house. When it become a trend, it will become a nice bubble. Until some of us with salary of 2k++ started to DP for a 300K property.

Just sharing my observation biggrin.gif
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Thanks for stating realistic facts.
Obviously you and your friends are acting your age.

Just focus on building a good name for yourself in your career. Subsequently you will be recognised and rewarded with high income. At that moment you should be able to afford something decent.


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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Jan 1 2014, 06:52 PM)
Sure or not?

I don't think developers will be launching at all next year considering no dibs.....

Probably focusing on clearing old stock....
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This thread is becoming unrealistic. I am worried what pressure can cause.
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post Jan 3 2014, 04:40 PM

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Those anticipating bubble should already sold off all properties at below market prices and waiting like vultures by the sideline.

Otherwise those are just serial compulsive keyboard complaint gods.
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post Jan 10 2014, 03:59 PM

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I do hope the price is stagnant so that I am not under pressure to buy one property this year and have the luxury of time to wait 5 years to make that purchase.

However as the saying goes, one in the pocket is better than ten in the wild.
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post Jan 13 2014, 10:26 PM

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Flipping properties is less risky compared to operating a business.

Properties are not perishable goods and do not have a shelf life or expiry date. In fact the longer shelf life the more valuable it can be.

There are many people who do not pass the business to their children because their children won't survive operating the business. Instead the business is sold off and properties are bought to generate rental income.




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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 13 2014, 10:42 PM)
Hmmm running a biz is being compared to flipping properties. Are you folks businessmen?
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Flipping properties is less risky than running a business unless you have business acumen.

Banks charge sky high interest rate for business loan.

Property loan interest rate is very low and high margin.

Credit card interest rate high interest rate.

Personal loan high interest rate.

Gold investment, not sure whether can get financing from banks.

Forex?

Shares?



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post Jan 13 2014, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 13 2014, 11:01 PM)
Sorry that line of thinking is a bit messed up.
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It is fine.

Please enlighten me.

I am not always correct.
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QUOTE(SilverSpoon @ Jan 13 2014, 11:12 PM)
Back to topic, i always said do not compare Malaysia with Singapore as there is limited land there.
But just to share with everyone the situation there since a lot of people in this forum thinks the almighty Singapore house price will never drop.

Private home resale prices fall for 4th month in December:
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/busine...ale/952388.html
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Non HDB.

Most probably foreigner owners.

Already make multiple fold from property and currency gain.

Time to sell fast and move to Malaysia.
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post Jan 14 2014, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Jan 13 2014, 11:56 PM)
L.M.F.A.O!!!!  laugh.gif

Confirmed flipper this fellow.

Flipping properties less risky than operating a business?? You must be living in la-la-land!!

Of course, any businessman who is foolish is soon to be bankrupt.

But guess what!

A foolish flipper will soon be joining him!

LOL!!
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When there is an opportunity to buy really low and sell lower than market prices in a short time, this is flipping right? Why not?

QUOTE(cranx @ Jan 14 2014, 12:07 AM)
not sure why is there such comparison in the first place.

anyway he mentioned long long shelf life. he is no longer a flipper now.
he wanted to keep those properties for long term. brows.gif
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Does not matter long or short term. Investors must know 101 ways to manage the investment.

QUOTE(SilverSpoon @ Jan 14 2014, 12:09 AM)
I dont think smart singaporean property investors will invest in Malaysia property now. Maybe for those foreigner who follow the herd and buy blindly will invest in Malaysia now.
There's a news in Singapore mentioning that the SGD to RM conversion could reach 2.80 to 3.00 in 5 to 10 years time.
In that news, it also warns Singaporean to reconsider if they plan to invest in Malaysia property.
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Singaporeans have been doing it for years. Cheap cheap cheap like birds chripping.


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