if fresh grad at interview they ask expected salary, what shud I answer??
Working for PETRONAS V2, How to get a job, benefits, culture etc
Working for PETRONAS V2, How to get a job, benefits, culture etc
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May 16 2014, 03:45 PM
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if fresh grad at interview they ask expected salary, what shud I answer??
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May 16 2014, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE(reconnaissance @ May 16 2014, 06:22 PM) I know you're frustrated, but there is really no point for you to take it out on Petronas scholars. To be really honest, I can guarantee you that those scholars are multiple times better than most regulars on LYN, and therefore deserved that place. yea, u're right.. I was in same class with some of them b4 and they're stressed as hell!You posted as though those scholars are ultimately lucky, and landed upon the sponsorship without any trouble or stresses. These scholars obtain the sponsorship through 1) minimum SPM requirements which bordered on excellence (7A+, with Add Math and Sciences such as Physics, Chemistry for technical sides) with extracurriculars of leadership values. 2) interviews that include personal interview, case study and group discussion (sounds familiar? These are similar to the ones graduates are doing but they are merely high school graduates), 3) written examinations that include General Ability Test (Raven's Progressive Matrices), Chemistry, Physics and Add Math, All those in one day. Don't you forget that they are merely high school graduates, and aside from those, compete against a larger pool of applicants nationwide. See do you fit those criteria above first; if you say those doesn't matter because high school has long passed, then visualize that they can do well since high school, why can't you? Now, after the sponsorship, they are posted to pre-u for their intended countries; these are ADP or A-Levels. Now, to be able to proceed, they must get an offer from Top 10-20 universities of their fields based on the Gourman Report. Otherwise, a breach of contract and you'll have to pay all of it back. Now, have you gotten an offer from that? After the offer, they'll have to maintain a CGPA of 3.5 in their pre-u. Else, their offer is wasted and have to try for one last time the next year as a transfer student which has much lower admission rate, aside from the fact that the schools must be Top 10-20. They have to individually score on international tests such as the SAT, SAT Subject Tests, A-Level, IELTS or TOEFL. Now, did you maintain a CGPA of 3.5 at your pre-u? This is not MARA, so don't think these scholars can so easily negotiate for a waiver if they did not obtain 3.5. Have you even tried the SAT and at least two SAT Subject Tests? Once they're there, they have to maintain a CGPA of 3.0. Now, I'm not sure about the other countries, but I'm the USA, most schools apply the 93-95 A, 90-92 A- 85-89 B+ strict grading. This makes it a little more difficult in maintaining 3.0 CGPA aside from the stresses of culture shock and new systems. Now, did you obtain at least 3.0 in your engineering degree throughout with such a grading and external pressure? Remember that a breach of contract constitutes a repayment of 100% of the expenditure they spent on you. After all that, yes, they'll have a priority in getting the interview but going through the interview is the same process. You can say they may have an unofficial priority, but looking back to all the amazing feats they sustained, why wouldn't they? I can bet that any of those scholars can speak, debate and pitch better in English and BM than most. Otherwise, how can they score on their SAT, IELTS and TOEFL, and mandatory English classes in university, or in the first place, their SPM Eng and BM? I have been a somewhat consultant to other students so I do know what does it feel like for them. If you're the above, congratulations! You deserve the job and the interviewers are idiots. But if you don't, try not to constantly quote them as though they are lucky bastards who do not deserve their place. Be grateful. |
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May 16 2014, 06:30 PM
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QUOTE(elijah3art @ May 16 2014, 04:35 PM) of course there'll be ppl with no cable, non bumi could enter petronas but to think having those does not play a part into entering petronas easier requires a lot of faith. unless u have internship w/ petronas or have great cgpa, surely it's based on your own merit which is a good thing and people had no qualms on that. my personal dissatisfaction is for people of similarly equal merits but the eventual selection is based on ethnicity or even more trivial things like utm students getting more preference is a bewilderment to me. wat's your qualifications dulu??i wish to believe having experience working offshore + graduating from a reputable university, and since petronas minimum qualification is 2.75 and i passed that, i certainly would stand a chance not to be hired but at least to attend an interview. and being repeatedly adviced on tailoring my cv which i did for such a long time, even consulting my close associate who had 8 yrs corporate experience, and even that does not work makes me doubt this company's talent sourcing capability. I had no qualms if I'm not selected purely based on merits, but I've seen tonnes of unworthy bumis who made it in petronas only to quit later on because they are incompetent and how my friend who had those uncle, sepupu in petronas and how everything is made easier for them. yes, they still had to go through SI and stuff like that, but from what I see, it's not so much of how you would excel in interview, unless you don't screw up big, you could have pass it. The main freaking problem for most of us, is to attend an interview itself which is so omgbbqwtf unlikely. if u'd enter petronas based on your own merits, congratulations you deserved it. but that does not mean to say double standard is absent. and being a male does not make anything easier. things i'd say may sound unprofessional and non significant but i hope people can see certain truth in things. what's more is that to have a career in petronas is like sth so obscure. positions are not advertised on discoverpetronas whereby "ALL THE HR PEOPLE IN JOBFAIR" will so prompt us to apply through there. what's the point really ? even those who are advertised 99% applies to those with +5 yrs of experience and entirely non applicable to fresh grads. what's the freaking point of those criterions, permanent or contract, which country, entry level or not have their relevance when there's literally nothing to choose from. for people with vast experience, most of the time they would have known people in the industry or headhunters hunting them down like antelope. for petronas scholars, i have no comment on that since it's already a policy for them to have the advantage. but really, are they competent in the first place ? like i'd said, you need not to be that epitome of excellent students with leadership traits and stuff like that to sail through the interview, just unless you don't screw up that badly. i've been through other interviews and my friends who stay silent, those malu malu, non leadership follower type still pass the interview and working 'glamourously' in the O&G industry as if they are somewhat one level above other people in other industry who had much lower salary. I've worked with a lot of people before and it's not hard to see how some people are proactive when given task to do, but i've seen during studying when we're doing assignments together, these same people who eventually enter o&G industry like takut takut, how to operate this thing, more laidback personality but usually typical of people especially girls no offence who usually sit in front copying out all the notes, pure memorizing and score As but do not really possess traits that are heavily sought during hiring. my overall pointer isnt excellent but there are some papers in which I've skipped classes and only memorize the night before exam and I still got A. it's just freaking memorizing and these As are crap but sadly our education system is in such a way and companies still had to take pointers into consideration. my biggest regret is to have taken a niche course in which job opportunities are rare and even rarer for folks like me. unlike many others who target O&G field for the pay, i don't give too much concern on the pay. i just wanted a somehow salary which i could cover the living and my own medical expenses. but unfortunately this is not the case. Even my friend from Africa who study in malaysia, our mutual coursemates are surprised when she got to know how her bumi batchmate who are not so competent but still enter petronas. of course, i just gave off a light smile. not to say hundred % it's like that, but there through all the superficial things, there are truth in the subtleties and intricate affairs. I've been really tired and struggle a lot. I've taken advice here and improved but to no avail. people tend to think of their own personal experience to be the trend for all others. u may have think that u no cable, non bumi entered petronas and as such, there's no discrimination and there's fairness. but if one were to consider a bigger set of people, what's the ratio ? in fact, now i would perceive this as a tactic to show to public, LOOK WE ARE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER because we have non bumis working here some even in managerial positions. but masquerading behind the reality is tonnes of incompetent bumis working there. because i've seen this through my own eyes as i'm a skeptical person who does not believe in things till i've seen myself, and how now these holier than thou people acting as if they are higher level than you, posting of their luxurious tea times, vacations in facebook just because they entered petronas not so much on their capabilities. and much Sorry if any bumi here felt offended, but if your really good, u wouldnt have perasan right. ppl say pointer doesn't show your competence but they r looking for competence + pointer Org A high pointer but not good skills. (<---- many orang lowyat kata orang lain) Org B low pointer but good skills. (<---- many orang lowyat kata diri) Org C high pointer and good skills (<---- yg employer mahu) scholar tak pyh ckp la.. of course crème de la crème. |
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May 17 2014, 11:30 PM
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Fuhhh. Queue kat Petronas paling long at Graduan Aspire fair just now. Second is Shell, and both side by side
Eh, one question, driller kat PETRONAS paling high pay for fresh grad kah? PETRONAS beritau driller paling valuable.. |
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May 21 2014, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(msismail @ May 21 2014, 02:51 PM) I simply don't put high hope on that. sadly, PETRONAS still think that people are badly nak masuk. thus, the waiting game. so, just chillex, enjoy. if call up for the SI, then prepare, layan je...don't put high hope, but do ur best. at least u've satisfied urself, that was what I did. but ppl memang badly wanna masuk. Lolcongrats tho! Line kat Graduan Aspire fair panjang giler. Resumes everywhere. 3 long queues in front of touchscreen tablets nak register on the spot.. And itu pula pukul 12pm, oni satu jam from opening. |
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May 21 2014, 07:53 PM
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May 21 2014, 11:29 PM
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QUOTE(abdz @ May 21 2014, 09:40 PM) yes, i agree with you. i go to the graduan aspire also. but i skip the petronas booth. they dont take your resume, and what the touchscreen tablet do is just their survey after all. I know because petronas do the same when jobstreet career fair in midvalley before they also do this. still, people go make a queue in a long line, just like when there's hello kitty or minion doll in mcdonalds people queue also. Although you can say you can boycott them, but there is no use. people still coming and queue. mcm mcdonald. Taula I don't know what's the tabs for means I skipped the queues too. in my opinion, the only one who got the higher chances is the one with the engineering background related to drilling, technician and all sorts of related to the petroleum (be it geoscience bla bla bla..which you definitely have to plan earlier when you go to universities), because at least i see one guy manage to gave his resume, and based on what I peek, his degree is engineer petroleum something something. in my opinion, if you degree is not quite related to what I say just now, you might have to skip petronas and go find another company. mine is not related to any that i say just now. but i foolishly believe that I stand a chance to get to petronas, even the chit chat session. but after all this years, i think i just pass I asked questions, and yea.. Drilling and geoscience is paling valuable but widest scope MechEng. And yea l, I saw the resumes summe rejected on the spot. I dengar, "sori ah, lebih baik kau register and hantar cv online. Sini nanti summe hilang." but they did accept some. Hmmmm |
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