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R-K-F
post Jun 18 2006, 09:46 PM

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Good play with brushes, you've got a nice "grunge" look and style going on. Way too overused (your blog and the produced work look similar), but still impressive indeed.

I'd say you know a thing or two about semantics when it comes to coding html, using lists where applicable- which is VERY rare, especially considering your age and location.

I'll have to disargee with etsuko on this one though. You've got your work featured on CSSmania and the like- meaning, you're "recognized", in a way. Crap stuff don't get showcased. Some sub-standard sites do make it through the filter at "mid-range" css gallery sites at times, but your work looks decent enough.

What I'm trying to say is, your work isn't worth so little. RM400, just around ~USD100 is wayy too little to charge, much less a starting amount of RM150. Maybe for normal 15-year old students, but you've shown exceptional talent.

I wish I had what you have right now at 15, a short 2 years ago. The Internet is a fast moving place with unlimited chances and opportunities, just waiting to be grasped at. Play your cards right, and you'll be more successful than you've ever imagined yourself to be.

Speaking from experience- offer your expertise to a major "hip and happening" internet site that badly needs a makeover. Do this for free or for a minimal amount in exchange for a link back to your site in the footer or somewhere. Make an impressive looking portfolio site and get your name out, get a bit of fame. Clients will start pouring in. Quote them as you see fit- I start at USD400. Aim at US-based organizations, they generally pay well.

If you play your cards right, you'll be seeing nice paychecks/bank transfers soon enough. Be careful with money and the temptations it brings though- I got through a phase where I considered giving up high school altogether after making more than my dad does in a month. They say freelance work is unpredictable and unstable- but as long as you have a steady stream of good paying clients, you'll have no problem.

Face it, juggling studies, homework and your "job" would be very stressful, it'll take a toll on you soon enough. After all, you'll be expected to produce what a full-time worker does in a 8 hour day- and clients can be VERY demanding. I'm doing my SPM this year and I'm not doing so well academic-wise. There WILL be sacrifices you have to make. Plan your time well, but no matter what you do, do not give up on school. Your future would be a dead-end without a basic high school cert.

Web designers in their late 10s are popping up everywhere- there are some high profile ones like Anard (16 years old)- http://aprilzero.com/, not so self promoting ones like Jalenack (also 16, famous for his Wordpress plugin "wordspew"), and just plain discreet ones (like me, 17 wink.gif) I must recommend you read this particular post on Jalenack. It talks about what problems so-called "successful" designers in their 10s are facing, I can relate a lot to a bunch of things he said.
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post Jun 19 2006, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(etsuko @ Jun 19 2006, 12:20 PM)
dear R-K-F,
trust me when I say alot of designers and students interested in design in this forum whether or not in primary, secondary, college or university know one thing deeply lacking in this field in Malaysia..
..appreciation to the value of design itself.
Precisely. Which is why I said to aim at US/overseas clients instead of making it big locally. To date I've only done ONE job for a local- you know, those "uni homework"-type jobs. he paid me a grand total of RM50. Never again biggrin.gif
QUOTE(etsuko @ Jun 19 2006, 12:20 PM)
we can discuss all we want of how young designers overseas are making a name or money for themselves however, unless you run an online website aka portfolio and await for international clients to come to you then you won't have a stable income.
Which is exactly what I am doing- and what I advised him to do. With a semi impressive, clean "professional" portfolio, you'll sure attract clients but that's only half of the work done, I think. A live, working example of presented work should be available- I've been hired at top pay more than a few times for my ability to skin mediawiki, for instance.
QUOTE(etsuko @ Jun 19 2006, 12:20 PM)
if you've realize the field of website design today, everyone can design a website no doubt. all they need is photoshop. so even with an online presence to show how good your works really are doesn't guarantee you jobs. you still need to be active in other methods played in business. you need to communicate your worth to others so they'll respect you as a designer.
Him having being featured on CSS gallery sites is great exposure alone. I myself get jobs from referrals- I think it's more than enough. I've my hands full; not to mention a queue of people waiting for me to get to their turn. You'd be surprised at how much people need sites done- and are willing to pay a premium price for good work. As I said, "They say freelance work is unpredictable and unstable- but as long as you have a steady stream of good paying clients, you'll have no problem." I have so far not run into any difficulties involving "shortage of work", I'm always engaged some way or another. I don't manually FIND work myself either, they find me.
QUOTE(etsuko @ Jun 19 2006, 12:20 PM)
i've known Ikram since he showed interest here and I know he's got talent but you can't sell talent alone especially if you're trying to be one of the known designers in Malaysia.
Why aim for Malaysia, would be my question? I don't think anyone can make it in Malaysia- um, as you said, no appreciation for good design. Zero.
QUOTE(etsuko @ Jun 19 2006, 12:20 PM)
not to belittle or lower everyone's self-esteem, do you know that international clients demand something other than just your design alone sometimes? they want an agreement prepared and signed, they want to know the copyright rights, the licenses, the reliability and etc.
Yes, I am aware of that. I've signed a couple of NDAs, no big deal. There is a pyramid for the "type" of clients, and only those at the top of the pyramid would involve paperwork (+ more money involved). Conduct yourself professionally, speak good English and you'll be fine.
QUOTE(etsuko @ Jun 19 2006, 12:20 PM)
other than all of this, I hope all of you website designers have tried asking yourselves these questions:
- what am I going to do as a website designer?
- how long am I going to be a website designer?
A more appropriate question would be, "Why do I want to be a website designer?"
1. The pay isn't bad at all!
2. I enjoy doing it. Nothing is better than enjoying what you do for a living.
QUOTE(etsuko @ Jun 19 2006, 12:20 PM)
to date, I've not known any website designer being able to sell a template design for USD10k alone. so just think about it. smile.gif
http://www.firewheeldesign.com/ourwork/
They start at 10k smile.gif
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post Jun 20 2006, 09:47 PM

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If I manage to secure a place for myself at some overseas uni studying graphics design (which is what I'm aiming for)- I most certainly would not want to come back here. Not right after grad, anyway. I am a very liberal person in nature, I can't stand injustice, censorship and racial discrimination which we all know our dear beloved country is practising. I've already got into more trouble than it's worth for speaking out on this (nothing major, just "disciplinary" punishment & an order to shut up), so I'm setting sights on the US. People tell me it is no better, how I'll run into other problems there- I'll be there to see for myself. You might think me immature, but hey, I'm young and I've got a ton more to learn.

Another reason why I most likely won't return is that well, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get a gov't scholarship/loan/any sort of financial help if you want to study anything related to art- in fact, you most probably WON'T get any support at all if you aren't studying some sort of "science-related" subject. So I'll be self funding myself- why would I want to return? Not that I am extremely poor academically so I'm not qualified for government scholarships- I don't exactly excel but I think I do fine, although I hate the way education is done here. Was forced into the science stream after scorcing 6/8As for PMR (BM and Chinese, both B.) Taking all three Fizik, Bio and Kimia at one time, in MALAY no less, plus having absolutely no interest in those subjects at all = killer. Needless to say I'm quite disappointed in Malaysia and I would want to avoid coming back for a while.

And yes, I'm promoting Irkam to do the same because his level of work is there, with a little bit of effort he can make so much more.

And um, sure. Site's here. http://ignorantcow.net/ As all portfolio sites are- it's horribly outdated- been meaning to remake & update, but I haven't the time. You know what I mean. tongue.gif

 

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