Hi guys,

I got an offer from a Japanese Company, I wander how was the Japanese ppl working culture ?

Is it hard to deal with Japanese people and I heard from others that Japanese give little increment is it true ?

Would like u guys to share your experience working under Japan Co. or Japanese bosses and how was the salary and increment.

Thx.

Word of advice: If you don't speak japanese, it's hard to move up the ladder. Eventually if you want to get far in the company you'll need to speak the language.

Only this ? Hw about the working culture ? and the increment of salary coz I heard from others that the Japanese quite stingy on increment of salary is it true ?

Mind to tell me which company did u work for ?

it really depend on the company culture. japs traditionally very hierarchy base, seniority base. but they may be modernising to follow the times. if u ask me increments are small in many many places.

good training place. but bear in mind there are very hierarchy based. boss yes, you yes. boss no go home, you no go home. if go home, increment time will comment you.

increment definitely good, 15-20 years ago. So far have not see good Japanese company yet. They are falling out.

Ic. I know japanese very hierarchy base, increment very less ? .... hw u define less ? 5% of your ssalary every year ?

it would not be realistic to think about increments, as they vary from time to time, company to company, person to person.
but in my experience last time, definitely < 5%.

Any above actually work in jpn company?

Nowaday, cultural gap is not really national base due to globslisation.
Its really depend ur bos preference n history.

Can be jap company but american style or german company but korea style...

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This post has been edited by muss90: Dec 2 2013, 12:17 AM

they work hard. increment usually 3% for Jap MNC (non O&G).

I heard new generation Japanese are getting smarter and less workaholic.

First job would be sufficient to join Jap Company. Else, you won't appreciate how smart western people work.

I have a friend recently join a Japanese company. She has the chance to be sent to Japan for training after one/two months working.

Working hour - long during peak season, otherwise I leave by 5:30

Hard to deal with ? NO! Arrogant Malaysians or lazy Malaysians are more difficult to deal with. They do have some weird culture... those fresh from japan dont say no when they mean no .... ^^""", this could drag a 15 min meeting to 1.5 hour...
Also, seniority is important...

Increment - good, if you are good, you will be well compensated. If you are not getting the increment you deserve, just leave.

Salary - above market average

One of the good things is that your boss can recommend nice jap restaurant for you X)

At the end of the day, it really depends on who is your boss...

This post has been edited by El_Pistolero: Nov 7 2013, 10:19 PM

you will surely learn alot! and be hardworking too. It pays.

no offence ya bro, mind sharing how many % increment are you refering to and example the companies that you know doing it?

So less ? Walao how to survive ? Your time is when ? few years ago ? Or recently ? u work under which Japan Co. ?

So, means u can perform and hardworking enough they will reward u more than u expect ?

Sounds like working in a Jap Co. u need to perform well and prove that u have the value and they will give what u want ? Am I right ?

Coz some of my relative and friends describe working under Jap Co. is like terrific to them.

Maybe it also depends on your line.

My friend who is working under a japanese brokerage complains to no end.

The part about learning japanese is true. You can be a manager somewhat after a few years but don't expect to go up much higher without learning the language. If you're happy being low lvl management then i suppose it's fine.

Generally seniority is important. Increments are usually given based on performance but still usually little. Since seniority is that important in their work culture, you usually do not get promoted very often unless your boss recommends you.

All hardworking and good performance will be rewarded no matter in what company bro.

The important thing is how much difference are you talking about. If an average performer gets 3% and you get 5%, that 2% difference is not relevant. e.g RM3000 x 3%=RM90.

You do flawless job throughout the year, stay back like no life outside of office. You are only getting RM90 per month extra compared to an average person, who has a balanced work life and health.

Promotion? Well the usual speech is depend on your performance. Which usually is subjective.

However Jap company can shape you up, train your discipline and good start. But don't stay too long there, I suggest.

This post has been edited by cognac: Nov 8 2013, 09:17 AM

My experience in a JP co with a JP boss:

1) Increment is low and there ia a "ceiling" for promotion if you're not japanese; maximum senior manager
2) The boss expects you to work past the stipulated working hrs and if you can go home later than him would be better (which is quite impossible since he will try to go home after you!)
3) Work hard and play hard; the boss will pay for your meals on business trips and took me to karaokes with GROs as well

Mind to tell which company did u work at ? Seems like interesting, so, how to break the ceiling ? Have to learn japanese language or U have to be a Japanese ?

Was with a electronics company. No way you can break the ceiling if you're not japanese. Even if you can converse in japanese is not sufficient. They only nurture japanese talent for higher management

Seems like working in a Japanese is tough. >.< Better working with singaporean or English

Yea..... but JP firm seldom retrench ppl..but nowadays seems not the case
Singaporean co is chinaman management.....increment will be less also
English co with good benefits.....but european management also towards the stingy side
Better to work with crony co.....get all the benefits and bribes then retire at age 40 setting up a business with crony contacts

Y dont go robbery ? Better haha two answers one u be fuxking rich another one is will be jail

eh guys! how to get into jap companies ah?

I have a dream of one day flying to japan and living there.

got 2 yr exp as auditor dy, sum more i can speak jap also. but not business jap la, just conversational.

but yea, please share some info!

Working in japan not so easy la bro.

Japanese treat their work permits and permanent resident status like gold. Most of their laws give almost equal benefits as a native born Japanese. So it's very difficult to get permits to stay and work there as a foreigner.

Plus the work culture there is really horrible. If you're just going there because you have some anime fetish you're not going to last long.

Just remember the samurai era. WW2 banzai. This is their culture. Since the olden days it's not changed that much. They expect honour, integrity and loyalty to the max. If you join that culture half-heartedly you won't last.

Living and working in Japan are 2 very different things. Living there is nice. Working there is not.

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If I have to say u get me wrong bt thx for the sharing. I'm saying working in Malaysia with Japan Co. or Japanese Bosses.

Bt previous users they mentioned that Japanese Co. give lowest opportunity on promotion and also on salary increment isthat right ?

Thx mate.

if the pay they offer is satisfactory to you, why not take it if there are no better offers/u got mouths to feed.
but the culture does take some getting used to. it is a good learning experience esp if u have to deal with them in the future.

Coz now I have 2 offer one is singapore co. and Japan co.

But the Sg Co. haven't confirm me yet and the Jap Co. want me to confirm them right nw.

To me I wanted to join Sg Co. rather than Jap Co.

If I got reject from Sg Co. I still can join Jap Co. as a back up

accept the jp co first. if Sg co accepts you, just tell the jp co u unable to make it.

Is it legal to do so ? Coz I feel is unethical. T_T I can't bypass my conscience. Argh !!!

Nw the Jap Co. is re-consider me coz they have new interviewee. They will inform me when they make the interview with the new candidate.

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well they say you are ok, and then put you on hold. they are doing same thing as well.

actually you should have asked for the offer letter as soon as they say ok. from there, you can see the offer and consider. even if they ask you go their office to look, knot bring out. oso nvm, its ok to see the offer with your own eye on the paper.

so if they don't let you bring out, just say you need to consider and let them know by xdays lor.

if somehow the offer letter did not mention any penalty or watsoever for not showing up after sign the letter, go ahead and sign it.

belum cuba belum tau maa..

its not like i dunno how to live and survive..

i was asking if anybody knew any ways or chances to do so..

wasnt asking for a lecture

The company has diff situation they need me to confirm first only assign me the letter which means I'll sign it and become their employee. They allow me few days to consider nt even a week

its like going to sign contract, surely both party must take back and look, consider, all agree then sign.

hmm...for your case, maybe this won't work because you don't have bargaining power (working exp and how desperate are they for new employee). I think your best move would be signing the thing and aeroplane them when you have sg offer.

they unable to counter offer or say anything since you will be earning 2.5x more. if they ask for fine or penalty, they can't do much because you will be in sg?

I just worry if I signed and I reject them at the last minute I got penalty and fine then i die lo no money to pay is risky

The easiest path is to study in Japan. Doesn't matter what. And then after that use the time to find a job.

If you want to go from here it is more difficult. If you take the country hopping route, I suggest you do finance. Japanese people require multilingual brokers to handle client's orders. That's how my friend got sent to Japan.

But this guy before he got the offer already work with the company 5 years with shitty pay. And during that 5 years his japanese almost as good as native speaker. So unless you are close to his standard, it's highly unlikely that you'll be able to get a transfer to Japan.

Another way is to check Japanese job agency. Most of these are in Japanese though. So if you can handle it, you're half way there.

It actually depends very much on your luck. First job was in a Japanese company in a small city in Japan.
Boss is quite open and he tells me that if I finish my work just go home. Increment is about 5% but you get 2 per bonus a year - about 2months each. Went back MY and worked for a Japanese company again and luckily boss was OK. He would like us to come in on time but besides that, we can do whatever we want as long as we finish our work.

Now I am back again in Japan working in Tokyo. Its a non Japanese company though but my boss is Japanese. Company practice flexi time and my boss just dont care what time I come in or go. Also I can have much more quality time here compare to KL especially with the traffic. But increment is not much due to the economy. However if you are in non-management position, you can claim OT which is valid for most company here.

As some may ask - yes I can speak quite good Japanese but not up to the level of Business Japanese. I have met a few foreigners here who can't really speak Japanese, working as lawyers, accountant and programmers.

This post has been edited by sacwoc: Nov 12 2013, 12:49 PM

Thx for your precious experience. Means part of your job is based on luck haha good one

Most important is luck

Hahaha.......well not exactly. Having a good boss is maybe due to luck Able to perform on the job is another thing. At the end of the day you still have to perform to earn a living. When I am real busy, I work at least 12 hours a day, but when I am not I can troll lowyat during office hours .

thanks for sharing bro

Nice one man Yeah is true to perform well in job. Bt you have to be lucky to have a good working env and a good superior that willing to teach u everything.

thanks for the info!

i regret not choosing engineering after spm to land myself a scholarship in japan but what to do la now..

Anyway, I am involved with finance, but I can try to find a finance job anywhere and none would lead me to japan. Because i have no idea what kind of japanese company that hires finance people from local to transfer there

my japanese.. not la that level. If i go japan, meet up with friends also, can talk2 a bit lar but not lar like a native.. ur friend, has been working for 5 years for the same company in japan or in local first?

so id assume hes been working closely with japanese colleagues and thats how his japanese was good.


wah sounds good! whats the name of ur current employer and whats the channel if i want to take it from local here to there?

ya lor sounds like a dream to me. but yeah, i wonder how did ur friends end up there in the first place?

My friend was a broker. Hired in malaysia, sent to singapore and finally to japan.

He handle japanese client calls and key in order. So he is speaking with native speakers for 5 years.

Generally, the japanese people need multilingual people. As long as your japanese kuat you are half way there.

Actually all my bosses dont teach me much. Just advice when I need it. Even now, I am free to run my team within the boundaries of the organization and just ensure that things are running well

You are right about multilingual. Population in Japan is shrinking and at the same time people are living longer. Hence they are a bit open now in attracting foreigners to work in here. But they are looking at quality rather than quantity (excluding English Teachers) hence its still not easy to come here to work.

There are a few ways to get a job here and I think everyone knows it - study in Japan and find work after you graduate and work in a company that has an office in Japan and hope that they send you over. Applying jobs via website is not so simple, though one of my vendor a Malaysian managed to get a job here via phone interview. But then he studied in Japan previously. As for my case its the exception rather than the norm.

Of course everything is not a bed of roses here. Consumption tax is 5% now and soon to be 8% then 10% for everything. Earthquake happened often. And dont expect a big house like what we have in Malaysia unless you are in a remote kampung or come over here on expatriate package.

Hi, I need an opinion regarding salary range for engineer at Japan. Is 250,000 yen is consider ok? For automotive industry and have experience around 4 years.

Thank you in advance

This post has been edited by necrox77: Nov 27 2013, 05:38 PM

That sounds a bit low, especially if you have fours years of experience. However this is base on the limited info I have on the job and assume you are offered a position where you are good at it and not here as a "translator" type of job.
But I think there will be some other perks as well which is common like transport allowance, overtime and fix bonus. Try to negotiate more if possible as next year the consumption tax will be raised from 5% to 8% for all things.