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Janwy
post Nov 8 2013, 11:22 AM

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Hello flen, can somebody explain what is ENGINE LOAD? I search in Google, and some said it's a measurement of the vacuum in the engine, some said it's related to throttle... Confuse la! What actually is it?
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post Nov 8 2013, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Nov 8 2013, 11:49 AM)
Engine = The Campro under the inspira hood

Load = slang:  eyeful—used in the phrase get a load of

So its like

"Get a load of my sexy campro engine!!"

or

"My Campro engine is loaded yo!!!"
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Dui... It's not like this bro!
I saw it on a table, which the x-axis is RPM, and the y-axis is ENGINE LOAD. Trying to understand the table...
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Janwy
post Nov 17 2013, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(stairz @ Nov 17 2013, 01:05 PM)
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vrooom vrooom~
(*jalan-jalan family holiday, PD)
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Wow! I saw R3 skirting... Share more photo bro! flex.gif flex.gif flex.gif


Janwy
post Nov 18 2013, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(bare_proton @ Nov 18 2013, 07:02 PM)
Hey, are you referring to the engine load found in the engine management system or when extracted from the OBDII connection?

There are 2 kinds of loads that OBD reports: calculated load and abs_load.

Calculated load:
Goes between 0 to 100%. At full throttle, calculated load is always 100%. Very roughly speaking, this is the % of currently available torque you are using. For example, if the car can produce 75 ft.lb at 2000 rpm, and at 2000 rpm you are making 50 ft.lb, the calculated load will be 50/75 = 66%. If you downshift to a lower gear, but still only require 50 ft.lb but rev at 3000 rpm, the calculated load will be different. If this car's max torque at 3000 rpm is 100 ft.lb, then the calculated load will be 50/100 = 50%.

I said very roughly, because what the sensors are really measuring and calculating is air flow (air flow means fuel flow, which usually makes torque).

Abs_load:
Very roughly speaking, more of an indicator or comparison between how much this air+fuel engine is using compared to a really good NA engine at full throttle (assuming same displacement at the same speed). A typical NA engine will have abs_load at about 95% at full throttle. A boosted engine will have higher calculated load, because the higher pressure caused by turbo or supercharging will force more air into the engine.

Here is a detailed page which will give you lots to think about.

What they are good for:
Assuming you are using some sort of OBD connector to your phone, and you can record all these data, you can use these info instead of a dyno test. This of course cannot tell you how much actual hp is at the wheels, but if you want to know if putting on a 4-2-1 header (or any intake/ exhause part) helps with breathing, this will do it fine enough.

Do some full throttle runs through the rev range, then swap out the header and repeat. You can compare the abs_load at various revs to see where the 4-2-1 header helps. This is actually better than a dyno in some ways, because you are actually seeing if the engine can breathe better with these mods.

Alternatively, you can see the plain air flow numbers (usually in g/s) recorded by the mass airflow meter. Anyway, OBD datalogging is f***ing great and you should all use it for verifying if your mods work. I don't because I don't have mods. Yet.
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Thanks a lot bro! Thank you for your explanation. Seems like there is a long way to go for me to study the whole thing, but I will keep it up. I'm not sure which level of knowledge on cars and engine I'm currently having, but I still able to understand what you're explaining. notworthy.gif

I'm currently studying on ECU tuning, ENGINE LOAD is appear on the AFR table, and now at least I have a basic understanding about the AFR table. I study it all from the Internet, but it lacks of the basics (I know those info on the Internet is not made to feed someone like me), this make my study tough.

I just bought an OBD2 cable, and I've installed the software into my computer, but I cannot seems to read my stock ROM from my car. Refer to a very helpful post in LYN Inspira Thread V14 (https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2136547/+480), a user call Steven Motorsport posted the steps to read ones ECU ROM, I followed his steps but I failed. Do you have experience on that?

I find no friend at my place that can discuss about engine, car, and its performance, I'm very happy that I able to meet you guys on this forum that can discuss on these topics! thumbup.gif

Janwy
post Nov 18 2013, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(stairz @ Nov 18 2013, 09:46 PM)
R3 skirt fan/user ah? Heheh
Dun forget to get R3 mat!

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Getting R3 skirting. brows.gif

Mat?! You got them? No need la. Hahaha!


Janwy
post Nov 18 2013, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(alison90 @ Nov 18 2013, 10:40 PM)
Hi lynners,

When I drive in highway just now, at about 130km/h? this noise pebble-hit-like appears out of nowhere and really scare the hell out of me..
(I suspect it's from the front hood)

Anyone occurs to face with this problem before?  icon_question.gif

I dont know how to attach audio, but here's the recording that I've made.
( http://www.online-convert.com/result/e6a6a...0840390684e495f )
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Oh my god, it's like a drum under the hood... blink.gif
Janwy
post Nov 18 2013, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(T630 @ Nov 18 2013, 08:30 PM)
u need to buy k3nnykl82 a milo ais to discuss further... brows.gif

he is the one who remap all the cars here... outsider go to the extend copy his altered afr mapping when got the chance to access their remap ecu during 'installation'... whistling.gif
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Wow... I have to go to KL to pay a visit to the sifu then. Don't know k3nnykl82 Xiong Min or not. I buy you some nutmeg, some carry mee, plus a Milo, ok or not K3? rolleyes.gif


Janwy
post Nov 19 2013, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(stairz @ Nov 18 2013, 11:51 PM)
Haha, nice~
No, i dont have the mat, the skirts arent even the original set from p1.. try ask our resident r3 rider williamhohoho lolz
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What's the different between ori set and non-ori set? I have roughly surveyed through some bodykits workshop, how can I know it's ori or not? And where did you installed yours? P1 is the ori factory name? unsure.gif

williamhohoho's has got R3 mat?



Janwy
post Nov 20 2013, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Nov 19 2013, 10:30 AM)
u need to go really technical if you wan to learn about how to make more power..
u first have to know the basic of the engine .. ours is of coz the 4 stroke otto cycle..
then u need to know what is mivec... we have both in the intake and exhaust cam.
AFR is part of the big picture here.

mapping is NOT a SOFTWARE .. its a SETTING.. u dun simply plug another car setting into another car .. especially different engine.

The few things u gonna play with is..

Ignition timing
intake mivec
exhaust mivec
AFR
u can touch the throttle response as well if u want.

Key point is WHEN to BURN ..
What are the mixture ? lean or rich ? .. lean u get more power .. potentially kaaaboom it as well .. Need to know where to stay healthy .
too much advance of timing u burn the fuel before it reach TDC (top dead center) .. causing explosion earlier than it should be.. piston forcing upwards and mixture exploded expanding it downwards..

the stroke of the engine also affect the timing.. longer stroke u do not need to advance the timing so much coz timing calculated by DEGREE .. while shorter stroke u need to advance the timing more..

Rocket science ... tongue.gif
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Thank you for your detail explanation at first. notworthy.gif I have the passion to go deeper into Automotive Engineering, since I was in secondary school, but UTM don't want me... cry.gif That is a history.

Then I study it a bit and a bit by myself, from the Internet, books... but it's not enough. I consider myself is having basic knowledge on internal combustion engine and some understanding on the new technologies like, CVT, MIVEC (valve timing technologies from different car maker, I assume, generally they are the same), ASC, ABS, and so on.

I read through some articles about AFR recently, and so I can understand those things you're trying to explain. I am really interested to go deeper in this, but I cannot find a proper study material on the Internet. Any recommendation?

By the way, love your rocket science! icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Nov 20 2013, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Nov 19 2013, 02:11 PM)
nah .. for those interested

Fuel Burn Rate

Fuel burn rate is always FIX .. of coz diff brand diff octane got differences..

but the key point is u want everything to burn at around 10-15 degree after TDC ... (if u dunno what is TDC .. then u better forget what i am trying to express)

take 1.8 engine as an example ..
1.8 engine has a 77.4mm stroke .. 1 rotation is 154.8mm

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at 3000 rpm (rotation per minute) .. per second = 3000/60 = 50 rotation per second...

one rotation is 360 degree..

1 second / 50 rotation = 0.02 second / rotation @ 20 milisecond to complete one 360 degree @ 1 rotation

20 ms / 360 degree = 56 micro second = 1 degree

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at 6000 rpm  ... per second = 6000/60 = 100 rotation per second ..

1 second / 100 rotation = 0.01 second / rotation @ 10 milisecond to complete one 360 degree

10 ms / 360 degree = 27 micro second = 1 degree

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from the 2 example above .. u can see at higher speed the time require to travel per degree is shorter at higher rpm ... but the fuel burn rate is always FIXED for the same fuel .. hence logically .. u have to advance the timing more at higher RPM so that u manage to burn everything at 10 - 15 degree after TDC ..

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You open a class and teach us all about these things. I am sure you'll have a lot of students. laugh.gif

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post Nov 20 2013, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(Xai-V-iaX @ Nov 20 2013, 04:31 PM)
What is a DRL? HID?  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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DRL = Daytime Running Light
It refers to LED positioning light like Audi's cars. Now Potong also has it, in their Superman S. sweat.gif


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