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post Jun 16 2006, 01:09 PM, updated 9y ago

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overall look for my gadget, with DIY cable.
shorter one is canare cable, longer one custom made for HP890 is SATO cable (japan)
plugs are using some not so high end plug. as i cannot found 2.5mm plug that's really good. the small red things connected to my amp is Audiotrak Optoplay USB soundcard.
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here's another picture with another amp. blush.gif

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Here's a closer look of my DIY hp890 cable. tongue.gif

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Overall look for all my DIY cable. drool.gif

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Canare cable, bought from some forumers. very nice quality / finish tough. i can't found the canare f-12 plug at jalan pasar. any one can tell me where can i buy it? to be specific, the name / location of the shop will be great. wink.gif

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both short cable, around 7", used for connect players -> portable amp.
purple is canare cable, white is sato cable + sleeve. thumbup.gif


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[outtopic] : Koss ksc75 drive. flex.gif


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Kramel Mods : improve the high, but some how, i feel it's a little bit too bright. and bass feel less punchy now. how ever, i just tested it not over 2 hours.
will continue listen to it, and compare A/B with the one without mod.
glossary : kramel mods = drilling some extra holes at the plastic which cover the drive. so that to minimize the surface of the plastic. and allow more sound pass through. rolleyes.gif



PS : i bought several REAN 3.5mm plug at jalan pasar. but i cannot fit it in with canare cable. any audiophile can pls suggest me that what cable suitable to be put on the rean plug, and giving outstanding soundquality too? (the holes is slightly smaller than canare cable. i can't force it in) price won't be an issue as i won't really need long cable. probally i buy 1 meter only.and of course, cannot afford those 1 meter= RM 80 cable. =P budget around 1 meter = RM10-RM20, cable only.

sound quality : when paring with nice cable, sound stage of hp890 / koss ksc75 actually widen up.
how wide? i don't know how to describe.
overall : i am happy for
1. improvement of sound quality,
2. improvement of "outlook" . looks excited when see big big cable. rclxm9.gif
3. slightly more detail than normal cable.

and about canare L-4E6S cable + F-12 plug , according to Dinodog_jr, using his Sr60 (grado) on my amp. he claim that the bass and soundstage is improved for his SR60. and bass have quite noticeable different. how much different, ask him. whistling.gif



Poision part: Dinodog_JR. wanna come up and have a listen???? =P

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post Jun 16 2006, 02:31 PM

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haha..nice close-up shots..

I see that u connecting laptop>optoplay soundcard>headamp>headphone..
How is the sounds like?

anyway, if u guys wanna check clarity improvement in ur headamp. U can try wif speakers..haha.

I had compared two headamps here wif speakers. For me, it is much easier to analysis clarity difference than in headphone. Ok, this is just me..my another assumption.

p/s: yo..thx so much u oredi prepared a shorten cable for me. If can, i want a black sleeve. My player,headamp,headphone all in black color.

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post Jun 16 2006, 02:47 PM

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Nice job there, PcWork! When you got the solution for one nice cable for your HP890, I gotta bet on you to get one for my HP1000, it's time for my baby to take a change smile.gif
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wah bro, wonder how heavy ur head will being stress when u using this headphone...lolz...overkilled.....
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post Jun 16 2006, 03:16 PM

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i like the 7" cable that you use to connect players -> portable amp.
(purple is canare cable, white is sato cable + sleeve)

can do and sell one to me?

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post Jun 16 2006, 03:25 PM

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Nice work dude!.....any chance u doing a ipod line out to mini jacks? tongue.gif

i will definitely get it from u. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 16 2006, 05:24 PM

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nice mod. wat ar the connectors tat u used besides the canare?
which 1 better? canare or sato cable?
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post Jun 16 2006, 08:05 PM

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Good rubber shrinking job haha. Anyway i have a question for the experts. For subwoofer interconnect, is the digital coaxial 75ohm suitable for the job?

Also does anybody knows where to get good RCA connector in pasar road?
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Nice mods u done there!
Sleek looking cable! How much was the total cost?

PS : It's KRAMER's mod, he's a guy over at head-fi.
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PcWork, The Canare F10 u can get from Midi Specilist Opposite edifier showroom. my cable and the plug mod by them...ur sato cable how much per meter.?

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post Jun 17 2006, 07:48 PM

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PcWork..if u searchin for canare f-12..i see it at i.c electronics today ..price?? rm 18.50 or rm17.50 for pieces..same shop sellin canare starquad L-4E6S

nyway...i'm thinkin to sell L-4E6S with f-12..do u think there;s any buyer interested?

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post Jun 17 2006, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Jun 17 2006, 11:48 PM)
PcWork..if u searchin for canare f-12..i see it at i/c electronics today ..price?? rm 18.50 or rm17.50 for pieces..same shop sellin canare starquad L-4E6S

nyway...i'm thinkin to sell L-4E6S with f-12..do u think there;s any buyer interested?
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i m one interested buyer. i donno about others
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QUOTE(dinodog_Jr @ Jun 16 2006, 02:31 PM)
haha..nice close-up shots..

I see that u connecting laptop>optoplay soundcard>headamp>headphone..
How is the sounds like?

anyway, if u guys wanna check clarity improvement in ur headamp. U can try wif speakers..haha.

I had compared two headamps here wif speakers. For me, it is much easier to analysis clarity difference than in headphone. Ok, this is just me..my another assumption.

p/s: yo..thx so much u oredi prepared a shorten cable for me. If can, i want a black sleeve. My player,headamp,headphone all in black color.
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i will try look for black sleeve, and prefer PVC sleeve. or if really a lot ppl interested with cable, i might able to buy those NEON sleeve. lol


QUOTE(ifer @ Jun 16 2006, 03:16 PM)
i like the 7" cable that you use to connect players -> portable amp.
(purple is canare cable, white is sato cable + sleeve)

can do and sell one to me?
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those cable are for myself, anyway, if u serios about buying one, do drop me a PM, about how long u want, wat cable u want. and i try to look for better plugs (even though this one is not bad, but i want better outlook.) and i quote u with price. but estimated wont be big different from the price with this.

QUOTE(chanti-sama @ Jun 16 2006, 03:25 PM)
Nice work dude!.....any chance u doing a ipod line out to mini jacks? tongue.gif

i will definitely get it from u. biggrin.gif
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will consider, if i can get the plug, and confirm the schematic. any reference side for me? i will do a search later over google. hope can find somethings usefull.


QUOTE(TerTop @ Jun 16 2006, 08:05 PM)
Good rubber shrinking job haha. Anyway i have a question for the experts. For subwoofer interconnect, is the digital coaxial 75ohm suitable for the job?

Also does anybody knows where to get good RCA connector in pasar road?
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i shrink it using my soldergun, so doesn't looks smooth. and perhaps cause by the quality of the shrink tube too. can't find those really high quality over pasar road. they have different colour, but all same brand, and made in china.

QUOTE([Top-Gun)
,Jun 17 2006, 10:51 AM]Nice mods u done there!
Sleek looking cable! How much was the total cost?

PS : It's KRAMER's mod, he's a guy over at head-fi.
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kramer.. hehehe don't really remember his name. about the mod. i really enjoy the sound after mod. how ever , it's a bit viel. those who feel itchy wanna mod, and don't dare to try. can come over to my place to have a listen the ksc75 AFTER mod. and if u like it, then baru mod.
total cost? i am not too sure as i bought a lot of things together... i did ask unit price. but couldn't remember than well. i buy a lot, then pay in total.... laugh.gif


editted: : by the way. the plug of canare (short, purple) is better.
the one use for SATO + sleeve is lower quality, and cheaper if i am not mistaken.

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post Jun 17 2006, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Jun 16 2006, 02:47 PM)
Nice job there, PcWork! When you got the solution for one nice cable for your HP890, I gotta bet on you to get one for my HP1000, it's time for my baby to take a change smile.gif
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the plugs is the problems, this serveral days i will go pasar road see the fernels order book, see can order some really good quality 2.5mm plug or not. if can get, i bet a lot of handphone will need that custome made cable,,,, dinodog... *whink whink..* ur sony erricson p*** phone want some custome cable???
3.5mm - > 2.5mm, short cable like 7"
so u can connect ur phone to ur amp. hahahaha
"poisoning".....

QUOTE(howiechoo @ Jun 16 2006, 02:49 PM)
wah bro, wonder how heavy ur head will being stress when u using this headphone...lolz...overkilled.....
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hp890 is quite comfort to wear. and those DIY cable aren't heavy too.
here's an ideal , i can wear Hp890, in normal room (fan, switch to no.4) for 3 hours plus, without feeling hot/discomfort. time, at night.

QUOTE(hyyam85 @ Jun 16 2006, 05:24 PM)
nice mod. wat ar the connectors tat u used besides the canare?
which 1 better? canare or sato cable?
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at the amp there?
that's for my hp890
don't know what is the brand. forgot. but it's made in japan, and have quite nice finish.


about KRamel mod: i drill another hole right at the center of the plastic after some time listening. and now the bass is ok, back to normal as before, and the clarity is some how improve.
before this middle hole were drill, (which is what u see at the picture above.) i was so unhappy about it, clarity is high, bass less punchy, and have some slight echo for mid. ( don't know it's real or not. or just what i think only.)
after that, i drill the middle hole, same size. and the bass is kinda back to normal.
and have better clarity now. i was addicted to the clarity of koss. =P so i kinda enjoy the clarity after kramel mod.
song i always listen with are "Chai Qin" song.
mainly slow song. some time , some rocks.


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post Jun 17 2006, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(hyyam85 @ Jun 17 2006, 08:39 PM)
i m one interested buyer. i donno about others
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i think pcwork will sell it larh....do drop pcwork a pm

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post Jun 17 2006, 09:36 PM

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amirsubhi :
i think he is interested with ur starquad + f-12
he tried for a long time to get a nicecable already.

hyyam85
if u cannot buy it from amirsubhi, or he don't wanna sell it, u can drop me a PM. how many meter u want, what plug u want. i can do it for u.
price, will tell u after i go to pasar road to buy the part.
for best things, tell me how many meter u want, and what;s ur budget
if i go ask price, it's below ur budget, i will buy the part, and ask u to bank in to me / come COd with me, and i might do the cable infront of you straight away.


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add in a picture : My Current "Portable" setup.
sony Bean + amp + koss Ksc75, can fit in my pocket nicely. =P perhaps the amp + short cable is much more suitable for ipod shuffle. hehee can buy an extra ipod case and glue it on the amp case.
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the bean were placed inside a black bag (from philips she9500 earphone) to prevent it is scratched by the case of headamp.


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post Jun 17 2006, 10:32 PM

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actually i would like to DIY myself also. so if u ar not selling used stuff, can u jus buy the unassembled cables n the connectors? by the way, sato or canare better? wat connectors u used?
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post Jun 18 2006, 12:29 PM

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Rean-Stecker 3.5mm minijack <--where did u buy it arh PcWork n how bout da price
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post Jun 18 2006, 11:33 PM

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I saw some Neutrik gold and nickel plated 3.5mm jacks in RS Extended Range. Gold plated ones is RM5.xx.

No wai?
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post Jun 19 2006, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jun 17 2006, 09:36 PM)

add in a picture : My Current "Portable" setup.
sony Bean + amp + koss Ksc75, can fit in my pocket nicely. =P perhaps the amp + short cable is much more suitable for ipod shuffle. hehee can buy an extra ipod case and glue it on the amp case.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/PcWork/DSCN0912.jpg
the bean were placed inside a black bag (from philips she9500 earphone) to prevent it is scratched by the case of headamp.
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having the line out cable for ipods are better than minijacks to minijacks... the signal is more cleaner.

btw dude got the schema for the ipod dock... if ur interested. http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector

tell me when ur building one lineout <-> mini jack cable... i think a few ipod users might be interested.
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QUOTE(Eokboy @ Jun 19 2006, 03:33 AM)
I saw some Neutrik gold and nickel plated 3.5mm jacks in RS Extended Range. Gold plated ones is RM5.xx.

No wai?
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how do they perform?
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post Jun 19 2006, 02:54 PM

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Long time never been to pasar road, may i know roughly where is the IC Electronics located?
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QUOTE(hyyam85 @ Jun 19 2006, 12:44 PM)
how do they perform?
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urm...not sure since i nva try it yet..but gonna to try it..but at headfi there's lot of peepz make use of neutrik plug too....

QUOTE(TerTop @ Jun 19 2006, 02:54 PM)
Long time never been to pasar road, may i know roughly where is the IC Electronics located?
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hurmm...its a corner lot..juz infront of food court at jalan pasar....to me honestly da shop is a lil bit expensive...even u can ask for discount....coz for canare starquad L-4E6S BK at us u can get for rm 5(usd0.39 per foot) lesser per metre n canare f-12 plug only at usd3.30 ...but dat at us.plus shipping n all....no choice then.....searchin source from singapore now
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QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Jun 19 2006, 04:12 PM)
urm...not sure since i nva try it yet..but gonna to try it..but at headfi there's lot of peepz make use of neutrik plug too....
hurmm...its a corner lot..juz infront of food court at jalan pasar....to me honestly da shop is a lil bit expensive...even u can ask for discount....coz for canare starquad L-4E6S BK at us u can get for rm 5(usd0.39 per foot) lesser per metre n canare f-12 plug only at usd3.30 ...but dat at us.plus shipping n all....no choice then.....searchin source from singapore now
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Singapore no better, unless I missed something. Went around Sim Lim and got S$3.50-S$4. x2.3, here RM7 cheaper hehe.
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y don someone get it from distributor in bulk n sell to other forumers? tat wil b cheaper
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QUOTE(TerTop @ Jun 16 2006, 08:05 PM)
Good rubber shrinking job haha. Anyway i have a question for the experts. For subwoofer interconnect, is the digital coaxial 75ohm suitable for the job?

Also does anybody knows where to get good RCA connector in pasar road?
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Try microphone cable. Center got 2 wire, u must joint it together.
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good rca connectors...so far i see at I.C electronics..see canare plug there....
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can get switchcraft rca from farnell too, but moneyflies.gif as well
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post Jun 21 2006, 09:14 PM

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hehe... will go pasar road again by friday to buy some stock. anybody wanna join? =P i go by star anyway,.haha...

sorry for some questiion i didn't answer, i online at ppl's house, rush time. will online at CC back at thursday night to answer some question such as which cable better and so on. sorry.
thanks.


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post Jun 22 2006, 08:38 PM

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question answered in PM.

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Actually I am interested in a shorter version of the minijack to minijack interconnect, that 7" cable looks very cute and practical for portable usage. Mind sharing how hard it is to DIY it?
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er.. not that hard also
but have to cut the wire just nice, cannot too long, cannot too short, as too long, the metal caps will not be able to screw in. too short, cannot solder nicely.
and.. while soldering., needs some times to heat up the terminal so that the it can stick on the terminal, but doing it slightly too long will also MELT the cable rubber coat.
sort of, u have to do it accurately, and fast.
well it's in my case.
perhaps i will switch to lower power soldering gun to do it again.
by the way, wanna buy one? as i will make one for ifer too. and tomorrow i will go to search for the parts again. and COD with ifer at saturday.

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hehe PM me your price. I will see if that's worth it or not. But make sure you test it before sending to me biggrin.gif Thanks in advance
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i hav found source for some neutrik right-angled mini plugs. but the holes ar too small for Canare L-4E6S to fit. anyone has any recommendations? a salesman told me about Canare 2-conductor cable (forgot the model). is it good? if 2-conductor how to connect them becoz the plugs got 3 conductors?
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hyyam85 : by the way, i am feeling weired, why there's a lot ppl using L-4E6S for a stereo connection.. while L-4E6S have 4 pole connector + screen = 5 connection in total. what we need is only 3 for stereo plug.
i had bought couple meters of L-2T2E (forgot the accurate mode) but it's two pole inside + 1 screen.

what i am thinking, is that ppl use L4e6S because in future they can upgrade it to RCA?
and i found out some ppl don't even use the screen ( metal sleeve inside wire) for ground channel in L4e6s, they just use the 4 wire inside, connect each channel one, and ground x2.

by the way, i am thinking selling some of cable.

interested ppl can check here out


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post Jun 29 2006, 06:13 PM

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today i had sum free time n feel bored sweat.gif at my hostel ...then i make an ic interconnect(to test amp only)for fun which cost me...hurm...less than rm 5....actual cost is around rm3.50 to rm 5..ahhahaha...take me around 10 minutes to do it sweat.gif

gold plated jack...rm 1.50 x 2
pure silver wire .rm 1 for a meter.....use less than that btway..waste a lot of time try to strip those wire..arh..!!



total....rm 3.50 to rm 4

arh..crap webcam....cant take clearer pic

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QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Jun 29 2006, 06:13 PM)
today i had sum free time n feel bored sweat.gif at my hostel ...then i make an ic interconnect(to test amp only)for fun which cost me...hurm...less than rm 5....actual cost is around rm3.50 to rm 5..ahhahaha...take me around 10 minutes to do it sweat.gif

gold plated jack...rm 1.50 x 2
pure silver wire .rm 1 for a meter.....use less than that btway..waste a lot of time try to strip those wire..arh..!!
total....rm 3.50 to rm 4

arh..crap webcam....cant take clearer pic
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Err really pure silver wire kah? From Standwell right? Its not pure silver ler, just silver coated. Using this wire for interconnect hmm, too fragile laa.
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arh yeah...silver coated...sorry˛ forget juz now...kinda fragile..but after sum nice sleeving i think its okay oledi...after all it juz for fun.ahahaha
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lol. no after sleeving also. if u touch it hard enough, the place u solder will putus very easily...

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get a thick cable little bit lo...
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nah..it juz for fun...after all...i see there;s person over headfi do da same thing to...using those small wires...
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i had made one of those too.
but i put all three wire inside a 1mm heat shrink tube , then shrink the tube to hold those cable tightly.
workings so far, quite durable too as the heat shrink is quite hard after shrink.

how ever, i tested it comparing to Canare L2T2S. and found out,
Bass is heavier than L2T2S, but a bit muddy...and soundstage is quite big different.
but for it's price, it can be consider sound good already .=P

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PcWork... any significant change if the cans do a recabling work?

I was thinking if i'm gonna get u do the mini jack cabling to connect the ipod to my amp using jacks.

might as well ask u to recable my grado sr60 cable as well.

need opinion about this.
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on my philips HP890. pair with canare L-2T2S. the sound stage is wide, treble is much more better. clarity and detail too.
bass some how not so boomy. but tight.

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my mini digital IC for my upcoming SB3 biggrin.gif
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after sleeving
the cable really look bling bling rclxms.gif
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One question about coax interconnects... if I want to use BNC plugs, does that mean the RCA output-input plugs have to be changed too?
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alamaklor. how many layer techflex u put?
damn shining man. hahaha
nice cable. and nice handwork.

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One question about coax interconnects... if I want to use BNC plugs, does that mean the RCA output-input plugs have to be changed too?
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2 layer of techflex, 1 X Mylar metallic silver, 1 X carbon. all my cables will look like that biggrin.gif
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I was hoping BNC plugs would "fit in" RCA plugs anyway xD or is it the other way around? Cables using RCA to fit into BNC plugs... or do both sides need to be BNC doh.gif
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most of the time people use BNC simply because it is more secure. You can DIY a converter or reterminate your cable. It'd be best to either reterminate the cable, or buy/make another one.
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here's a pair of 12" Interconnect I just made. It's made of 4 X 20AWG solid core silver plated copper braided with following geometry, and terminated with yarbo silver plugs:
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hey guys.....anyone used network cables and turn them into audio cables??

was thinking of making since i have some spare network cables in the office and i have nuttin better to do....

been reading up on it online..but those are kinda insane... going up to the point of braiding 27 pairs blink.gif wacko.gif ohmy.gif

i was thinking of maybe using 8 pairs to build a mini - mini. anyone has any idea as to which cables to use as ground and which cables for right and left??? thanks
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actually nakamichi sound space 1 is using LAN cable. as speaker cable.

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nakamichi??? and they charge a bomb....sheesh.... hehehe

but i need to know which wire goes where.... friggin blur reading all the stuffs online.... with the cancellation thingy and this and that la.... rclxub.gif
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Made a 1.5m RCA -> 3.5mm cable for a friend, terminated with lok silver point locking connectors and canare on the other end. How much do you think this is worth? Pm me with your suggestion smile.gif and if anybody's looking for some serious custom cables, do pm me as well. I usually use 12 AWG silver plated copper cables with a particular geometry for my cables smile.gif
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OMG. man. this is seriously good...
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1 X Mylar metallic silver, 1 X carbon ?
the first picture really shiny.
alamak. carbon different with black? i bought only black =(

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my small project, changing cheapo black & red wire with canare L2T2S for my speaker (terminal)

sound quality richness biggrin.gif

thanz to pcwork for helping me smile.gif

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my first ever DIY cable...

i needed a really short splitter so i decided to make one myself for the heck of it.

used 4 pairs of CAT5 cable (twisted), cheapo female minis and a metal housing male mini... all plugs below RM4 each. they dont have any good ones near my house and i aint that free to go jalan pasar...so itll do..

also sleeved it with UV reactive purple cable sleeves cap uglyvamp thumbup.gif

i know it aint much compared to the rest here...but it works! sound wise... i dont hear any difference tongue.gif

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hi to all DIY pro's here..
man.. i gonna make my own cable soon..
can u tell me where to get those plugs and canera starquad in good price?
i heard that jalan pasar have a lot..

how do u all make the Y junction of the mini to RCA cable? shrink tube?
i saw from the head-fi there, the starquad have 4 wires inside, that means 2 for each channel RCA, right? after connecting it with the RCA plugs, how do u all make it thick jz like 3rd picture of alamaklor? wat kinda sleeves u all use?

p/s : wat's the techflex for? beauty purposes?


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greetings masters...

i was wondering if anyone could help me identify these RCA plugs coz they dont have any markings on them...

the male plugs were bought for RM15 for 1 pair (RM7.50 each)... once again i dont have time to go jln pasar so i just bought them in an electrical spare parts shop in SS2.

the female plugs i cant remember how much per piece doh.gif

im planning to use them to make RCA splitters (1 male -> 2 female) for audio using CAT5 cables (NOT CAT5e... just normal CAT5).

forgive the picture quality as i took using camera phone (w810i)..heres the pix...
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the female connectors

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and finally the male (this one actually has quite abit of weight in them..so mebbe its good??)

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appreciate any help i can get... thanks in advance notworthy.gif

EDIT: forgot to ask... anyone knows where i can get them cable sleeving with various sizes?? want something they sell by the metre....

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u mean wat brand is it? no brand, female is generic, male is is a replica of sumthing, still, no brand if that is wat ur asking.

I strongly suggest u not to use CAT5 cables unless ur gonna make a giant cable of at least 4 cat5 cables (which wont fit the plug).
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thanks ijan...

me planning to use 4 pairs of cat5 cables (the 4 pairs in 1 cat5 wire)

u saying use 4 aka 16 pairs to make the cable?
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yaa..4 pairs of cat5 aka 16 smaller pairs of the twisted super not flexible wires. Ppl are raving of cat5 as a cheap replacement of speaker cable when they are in a massive config as in 4-8-12 even 2 would werk but that would already be big.

U would say, how would i know..i would answer, i built both, i haf both in my hands and my current neutrik+canare cable is far more superior (significantly better, audible difference) compared to the cat5 cables that seems to haf no difference from a chapalang rm5 factory cable.
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QUOTE(ijan @ Sep 6 2006, 06:24 PM)
u mean wat brand is it? no brand, female is generic, male is is a replica of sumthing, still, no brand if that is wat ur asking.

I strongly suggest u not to use CAT5 cables unless ur gonna make a giant cable of at least 4 cat5 cables (which wont fit the plug).
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yes agree with you ijan,
madman, I didnt understand why you want to make 1 male -> 2 female,
why dont you make 1 male -> 2 male.
and why you use cat5 cable, sound no different.
why dont you try component cable,
you can get it at SS2.
or use canare cable.

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i need to make 1 male -> 2 female as a splitter to 2 seperate output units..... (both output units have different inputs and i already have the cables for them... but the source of both of them are RCA males...hence the 2 females)

using cat5 simply because i have some biggrin.gif besides.. i just need a short one.. not a long one... mebbe even less than half a foot long tongue.gif and oso doing it for fun and learning and this will only be my 2nd DIY cable hence all the questions...

and whats component cable? which shop in ss2 has it? the one on same row as MCDonalds or the one behind pelita nasi kandar?? canare can get in ss2 meh?

ill probably be making real mini-mini IC later on when i actually have the time to go Jalan Pasar and get some proper cables and plugs.. but for now.. still in learning stage so playing around here n there
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Then, go ahead brother, enjoy the solder fume as i do, it makes me HIGH..haha!
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u cant get canare at SS2,
but component cable have.


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got ur PM bro... thanks alot...

and SS2 electrical spare parts shop dont seem to have any branded plugs... only unbranded ones like i posted above and in page 3.
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got ur PM bro... thanks alot...

and SS2 electrical spare parts shop dont seem to have any branded plugs... only unbranded ones like i posted above and in page 3.
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why dont u go to amcorp mall,
got hifi shop there.
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ok guys... ive finished the RCA splitters that i wanted to do... and here are pix... i still think its not up to standards as the rest here... but me still noob... so still learning.... and i think im improving biggrin.gif

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now check this out... brows.gif

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i ended up NOT using the CAT5 and decided to get some 4 core shielded cables. no idea what cables they are... but they work so im fine with it thumbup.gif

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ok guys... ive finished the RCA splitters that i wanted to do... and here are pix... i still think its not up to standards as the rest here... but me still noob... so still learning.... and i think im improving biggrin.gif

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i ended up NOT using the CAT5 and decided to get some 4 core shielded cables. no idea what cables they are... but they work so im fine with it thumbup.gif
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look better after off light tongue.gif
hw much those sleeve?
where to get?

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the black and purple cable sleeves i bought from uglyvamp. u can find in bulk section oso... moderno and niclasteoh are bulking them.

the green are vantec cable sleeves.. have to buy the entire set lor...

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hi to all DIY pro's here..
man.. i gonna make my own cable soon..
can u tell me where to get those plugs and canera starquad in good price?
i heard that jalan pasar have a lot..

how do u all make the Y junction of the mini to RCA cable? shrink tube?
i saw from the head-fi there, the starquad have 4 wires inside, that means 2 for each  channel RCA, right? after connecting it with the RCA plugs, how do u all make it thick jz like 3rd picture of alamaklor? wat kinda sleeves u all use?

p/s : wat's the techflex for? beauty purposes?
alamaklor is using techflex. it's a brand. he conduct a bulk before. and many ppl had bought that too.



QUOTE(ijan @ Sep 6 2006, 06:41 PM)
yaa..4 pairs of cat5 aka 16 smaller pairs of the twisted super not flexible wires. Ppl are raving of cat5 as a cheap replacement of speaker cable when they are in a massive config as in 4-8-12 even 2 would werk but that would already be big.

U would say, how would i know..i would answer, i built both, i haf both in my hands and my current neutrik+canare cable is far more superior (significantly better, audible difference) compared to the cat5 cables that seems to haf no difference from a chapalang rm5 factory cable.
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it's good for speaker cable. but it';s not for interconnect. twisted cable like that easily pick up radio wave. especially if the cat5 cable is using PVC skin. not teflon.
i had made one super mini inter connect of stereo using the method. and the material is teflon skin silver coated cable.
sound. not as good as canare.and if our hand is near by the wire. it will humm heavily.


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suggestion for you. try to sleeve the join part with some cloth sleeve before heatshrink it. it will help to hold the wire in place. and maybe make the wire same in diameter. looks better.
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Editted : Typo : hole Aka Hold

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Sep 14 2006, 04:13 PM)
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suggestion for you. try to sleeve the join part with some cloth sleeve before heatshrink it. it will help to hole the wire in place. and maybe make the wire same in diameter. looks better.
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w00t! thanks for the tip!! will remember that... and will also have to remember to get bigger heatshrinks doh.gif
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my latest creation

this is the 3rd DIY cable ive made.. and i think this one looks hell of alot better than the previous 2.. mebbe coz its easy... 1 plug to 1 plug instead of the previous 2 which were splitters. anyway...here it is...

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like the sleeving? brows.gif

and here it is in action with my previous RCA splitters

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the white thingy cables are actually monster cables meant for iPod thumbup.gif

plugs are RM3.50 per piece in SS2. and used 2-core shielded microphone cable. it states on the cable "Maruni Professional Microphone Cable Japan" wink.gif

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very good job madman

wat sleeving is that on ur 3rd DIY cable?
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laugh.gif believe it or not....




theyre shoelaces...yep im serious.. them strings u use to tie ur shoes. shoelaces laugh.gif
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i think im hooked on this DIY cable thing wink.gif so heres another one.. using 4core shielded cable. sleeving is the same as above only diff colour.. plugs oso same as above.

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my latest creation

this is the 3rd DIY cable ive made.. and i think this one looks hell of alot better than the previous 2.. mebbe coz its easy... 1 plug to 1 plug instead of the previous 2 which were splitters. anyway...here it is...

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like the sleeving? brows.gif

and here it is in action with my previous RCA splitters

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the white thingy cables are actually monster cables meant for iPod thumbup.gif

plugs are RM3.50 per piece in SS2. and used 2-core shielded microphone cable. it states on the cable "Maruni Professional Microphone Cable Japan"  wink.gif
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why? you know why i say that.. =P


where do you get shoelace ? i want to buy too. for cheap use. and some cable i need to bend it. those techflex some time quite hard.

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dont buy maruni?? why man?? that bad meh? i know they aint as good as canare la but i dun wanna go through the hassle of driving to jalan pasar to get the canares just yet. besides.. its just for playing first... and ive already bought like 20 metres 2 days ago for me to play with laugh.gif doh.gif

the shoelaces i bought from a stall in 1Utama. on the 3rd floor in the new wing. cant remember exact details...but its there. its a stall with TONNES of shoelaces on them with many kinds of funky designs. take note theyre not sold by the meter.. theyre sold as normal shoelace length which is about 1 meter per piece.

a colleague of mine also told me of some shops in Jalan TAR that sells shoelaces by the meter but dunno whether they have them funky designs or not. and i dunno where them shops are too
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finished 3 mini-mini ICs today.... all using the maruni microphone cables with unknown RM3 plugs and sleeved with more shoelaces icon_rolleyes.gif wub.gif

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i haf to say, they are ROCKING KEWL! biggrin.gif
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finished 3 mini-mini ICs today.... all using the maruni microphone cables with unknown RM3 plugs and sleeved with more shoelaces icon_rolleyes.gif  wub.gif
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Hahahha!..looks like its meant for those who like to play pirate music?
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wahaha..dats awesome man

cap pirate cable laugh.gif
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reminds me to "Pirates of Caribbean"....the curse makes people attracted drool.gif LOL
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pirate?? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

never thought of it that way man... i used skulls because i kinda have a thing for skulls tongue.gif

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pirate?? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

never thought of it that way man... i used skulls because i kinda have a thing for skulls tongue.gif
MUAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA...... find me a dude whos willing to pay RM8k for those cables and ill sell it to him for half price at RM4k tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif laugh.gif
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dude. that's very cool..
try make it shorter. many female ipod user will buy from u. but get those cute cute pattern one. sure they love it... er.. does female usually use an headamp?
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you must be joking smile.gif those does look good, but i doubt it sounds as good as it looks.
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People buy cables for good looks, not sound dude tongue.gif It's a proven fact after so many blind tests. But you can compare shielded with unshielded, copper and silver and plug matching (impedence mismatch FTW), but still, even twisted shielded silver is still cheaper than what most people out there say about boutique cables.

Example : Audiophiles say shorter is better, but in the case of Impedence mismatch and reflective signalling, longer might be better because it serves to attenuate the reflection before it can affect the source.

Networking easily teaches you how to spot a bad cable and characteristics you might be looking for. Owh how i love RG58 cable tongue.gif Plus Vampire tap FTW
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Oct 2 2006, 11:46 AM)
People buy cables for good looks, not sound dude tongue.gif It's a proven fact after so many blind tests. But you can compare shielded with unshielded, copper and silver and plug matching (impedence mismatch FTW), but still, even twisted shielded silver is still cheaper than what most people out there say about boutique cables.

Example : Audiophiles say shorter is better, but in the case of Impedence mismatch and reflective signalling, longer might be better because it serves to attenuate the reflection before it can affect the source.

Networking easily teaches you how to spot a bad cable and characteristics you might be looking for. Owh how i love RG58 cable tongue.gif Plus Vampire tap FTW
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i couldn't agree on that, i brought cable for their characteristic and sound and not look. Ya networking might teach u how to spot a bad cable, but it doesn't teach you how to spot a good or bad sounded cable. It's your ear which can decide that.

Since you care about the look of the cable rather than listen to them, then i don't suppose your ear can make much decision. Hope you enjoy looking at your system smile.gif
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QUOTE(valve_300b @ Oct 2 2006, 12:27 PM)
i couldn't agree on that, i brought cable for their characteristic and sound and not look. Ya networking might teach u how to spot a bad cable, but it doesn't teach you how to spot a good or bad sounded cable. It's your ear which can decide that.

Since you care about the look of the cable rather than listen to them, then i don't suppose your ear can make much decision. Hope you enjoy looking at your system smile.gif
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i couldn't agree more, DIY is definitely a starting point. It does beat the crap out of any other cable if you do it correctly.

I started off with DIY also, as your components get better, you will realised that the DIY cable is no longer good enough and reach a point where there is no better way to improve on the cable.

Then come the commercial cable for your solution. Try them out, if you hear improvement, oh that is when the poison comes in, you'll keep thinking of it smile.gif
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nahh..unless i've upgraded my lifestyle to higher ranking caste...then the commercial cable will come to my mind..but for now..DIY is far too good for me.. tongue.gif

btw..cool shoelaces there...anybody know of higher quality material of shoelaces exist? teflon coated? carbon woven? tongue.gif i am among the one searching for a cool looking cable too!! tongue.gif

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i couldn't agree on that, i brought cable for their characteristic and sound and not look. Ya networking might teach u how to spot a bad cable, but it doesn't teach you how to spot a good or bad sounded cable. It's your ear which can decide that.

Since you care about the look of the cable rather than listen to them, then i don't suppose your ear can make much decision. Hope you enjoy looking at your system


They're all the same. Trust me. Math and subjectivism don't match. Math is a priori which all things derive their foundations from. To me, copper is copper, and mind you the bandwidth being used by the audio spectrum is only from 20 to 20khz, baseband digital has less to work with in even smaller operating windows than audio. Mind you some using Belden's top of the line CAT5E and braided them for crosstalk and uniform dispersion have compared them to stuff costing thousands of ringgit.

In this case, the math and my ears say the same thing if interference isn't an issue, heck my brain says it. It says "you're hearing things" tongue.gif

I rather go through a checklist of the above then it comes to cable before the "sound"

- Handling characteristics
- Flexibility
- Oxidizational preference
- Strenght of contact grip
- Kewl Look laugh.gif

I'm not even bothering with networking specifics when it comes to audio cable like

- Capacitance
- Resistance
- Inductance
- Crosstalk
- Attenuation
- Impedence Mismatch
- Reflection
- Low and High Frequency Shielding (foil/braid)

Why? because no ear can hear it, unless you're planning to make a cable run of 100 meters dahling blush.gif and the fact is, digital data is a few million times faster and more complex. So i kind of select attributes where i need them. It's not like i take into context the shelf life of canned goods, true, it's a factor, but not an important one.

Wanna make your setup sound better? Open it up, look in her circuits and see what you can improve. You'll be amazed. Seriously.

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They're all the same. Trust me. Math and subjectivism don't match. Math is a priori which all things derive their foundations from. To me, copper is copper, and mind you the bandwidth being used by the audio spectrum is only from 20 to 20khz, baseband digital has less to work with in even smaller operating windows than audio.
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You sound like Dan (dansdata) in his battle against snake oil in the audio industry.

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Trust you..nope!.. When I sit down and listen attentively, my ears ARE the judge, pushing all that science aside for another time & place. Many matters will defy theory and science.
Consider Kewl looks?. ohmy.gif Not me and that includes a fair number of hifi enthusiasts I know well enough.

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I'm not even bothering with networking specifics when it comes to audio cable like

- Capacitance
- Resistance
- Inductance
- Crosstalk
- Attenuation
- Impedence Mismatch
- Reflection
- Low and High Frequency Shielding (foil/braid)

Why? because no ear can hear it, unless you're planning to make a cable run of 100 meters dahling blush.gif and the fact is, digital data is a few million times faster and more complex. So i kind of select attributes where i need them. It's not like i take into context the shelf life of canned goods, true, it's a factor, but not an important one.


First of all, how much do you know about analogue signal transmission? How did you conclude that only digital data is affected by the aforementioned attributes? (inductance and capacitance are key considerations in speaker/headphone/interconnect cable design.. among other things) Have you experimented with cables making a statement as bold (literally tongue.gif) as that?

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Many matters will defy theory and science.


I honestly doubt that. Mankind simply hasn't discovered everything yet.

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Trust you..nope!.. When I sit down and listen attentively, my ears ARE the judge, pushing all that science aside for another time & place. Many matters will defy theory and science.
Consider Kewl looks?.  ohmy.gif  Not me and that includes a fair number of hifi enthusiasts I know well enough.
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I can say placebo faster than most can say snake oil.

Mind you there are good cables out there that are worth the money, like high end beldens or inductor cored ones, heck even Volex cords are great.

Heck listening is fine, but i rather not "perceive" what isn't there. If it sounds better, it sounds better. But i rather trust the numbers than the placebo effect. Heck the sound might be even more degraded, but i enjoy it more. But the point is that it isn't an accurate representation of the recording and not true to the signal.

For example audiophiles like to keep their ICs short, but did you know that being too short introduces reflections courtesy of IM at the connector that could add bad mojo to your source? tongue.gif

Well, i think i trust my ears, but i swear by my math. laugh.gif
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First of all, how much do you know about analogue signal transmission? How did you conclude that only digital data is affected by the aforementioned attributes? (inductance and capacitance are key considerations in speaker/headphone/interconnect cable design.. among others) Have you experimented with cables making a statement as bold (literally tongue.gif) as that?
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It stems from a simple idea that analog is made from near infinite resolution (as far as the medium allows for) and that Digital is absolute, being absolute, a single bit error can actually cascade from one point creating a deluge of errors (assuming you don't have CRC, LRC, BCS or Parity), so in the world of Digital, one f-up can whack a whole network, since no ACK sent and crap like that. Although most digital transmissions are error tolerant these days.

I said it isn't a primary concern, just get something with uber low resistance and one that generally shows good qualities and you're fine, because specs aren't as important to audio as they are to digital, mind you CAT5E is designed to make 100m runs with acceptable degradation and as little timing loss as possible. For example; Impedence matching with most speakers is bullcrap because these days source impedence is so low with SS amps, but why do SS amp makers still put it there? To make people go "wow, complex, must be 1337"

Seriously, no ear can hear it.
http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread....ight=blind+test
triangle = silver
circles = starquad
square = ratshack

Ratshack, Silver and Starquad compared. Conclusion? All Phail.

Mind you the difference might be there, but it surely isn't perceptible, who knows maybe be an ultra small percentile of people that is, but audiologists still claim otherwise.
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Maybe environments pose challenges too, for me, 1 24 incher, 2 17in CRTs, 2 Printers, 2 Card readers, ZL 2.0, PS2, 2 Switches, 1 hub, 2 wireless routers, soldering equipment, 1 amp, 1 socket clock, handphone charger, battery charger, MX duo unit and 3 PCs are seriously going to add electrical noise, thus when i do a shielded vs non shielded test i can hear the diff. But who uses as much crap on one table as i do eh? But my point has been, certainly no use in comparing a cheapo Belden and Nordost, same to me if you ask.

I like Cardas cables, they're all blue and stuff, that's why. Plus i cans show off tongue.gif
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what that test proved was that cables and pre-conceived perceptions don't match, not *necessarily* that differences cannot be heard =P not to mention that when differences were heard ... well better material =/= better sound for each person.

What they should have included was a 4th option: they're all the same! tongue.gif *I'm sure someone else already suggested that on head-fi*
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Oct 3 2006, 12:10 AM)
It stems from a simple idea that analog is made from near infinite resolution (as far as the medium allows for) and that Digital is absolute, being absolute, a single bit error can actually cascade from one point creating a deluge of errors (assuming you don't have CRC, LRC, BCS or Parity), so in the world of Digital, one f-up can whack a whole network, since no ACK sent and crap like that. Although most digital transmissions are error tolerant these days.

I said it isn't a primary concern, just get something with uber low resistance and one that generally shows good qualities and you're fine, because specs aren't as important to audio as they are to digital, mind you CAT5E is designed to make 100m runs with acceptable degradation and as little timing loss as possible. For example;  Impedence matching with most speakers is bullcrap because these days source impedence is so low with SS amps, but why do SS amp makers still put it there? To make people go "wow, complex, must be 1337"

Seriously, no ear can hear it.
http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread....ight=blind+test
triangle = silver
circles = starquad
square = ratshack

Ratshack, Silver and Starquad compared. Conclusion? All Phail.

Mind you the difference might be there, but it surely isn't perceptible, who knows maybe be an ultra small percentile of people that is, but audiologists still claim otherwise.
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Maybe environments pose challenges too, for me, 1 24 incher, 2 17in CRTs, 2 Printers, 2 Card readers, ZL 2.0, PS2, 2 Switches, 1 hub, 2 wireless routers, soldering equipment, 1 amp, 1 socket clock, handphone charger,  battery charger, MX duo unit and 3 PCs are seriously going to add electrical noise, thus when i do a shielded vs non shielded test i can hear the diff. But who uses as much crap on one table as i do eh? But my point has been, certainly no use in comparing a cheapo Belden and Nordost, same to me if you ask.

I like Cardas cables, they're all blue and stuff, that's why. Plus i cans show off tongue.gif
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through this research, it's doesn't mean that there's no different. only if their brain can percisely tells that which sound characteristic belongs to which cable or not. and i really doubt that.
some time i comparing belden interconnect and my canare l-4E6S, or silver interconnect. i can hear the different, some major, and some minor. but i can't really say out which sound belongs to which cable because of i can't remembe it. but i can hear different. EXCEPT those cable i really familiar and i like their sound. like canare l-4e6s, i like the sound, so chances i can point out the cable within whole bunch of cable sound is quite high.
in my cases, i can different canare-L4E6S from Belden and silver. but i can't differentciate amoung belden and silver.
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QUOTE(valve_300b @ Oct 2 2006, 02:01 PM)
i couldn't agree more, DIY is definitely a starting point. It does beat the crap out of any other cable if you do it correctly.

I started off with DIY also, as your components get better, you will realised that the DIY cable is no longer good enough and reach a point where there is no better way to improve on the cable.

Then come the commercial cable for your solution. Try them out, if you hear improvement, oh that is when the poison comes in, you'll keep thinking of it smile.gif
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valve, but some factory cable :EG: Cardas cable are HAND TERMINTATED. so how do u define DIY and factory cable which is hand terminated?
the cardas even so strict that if other peolple buying same cable and same plug, soldering with same lead and same methods, they won't recognise it as their cardas sound. if we going to use pure match and physics on here, i doubt there's different. but hell, according to some hifi people, it DOES bring different.

QUOTE(empire23 @ Oct 2 2006, 05:53 PM)
They're all the same. Trust me. Math and subjectivism don't match. Math is a priori which all things derive their foundations from. To me, copper is copper, and mind you the bandwidth being used by the audio spectrum is only from 20 to 20khz, baseband digital has less to work with in even smaller operating windows than audio. Mind you some using Belden's top of the line CAT5E and braided them for crosstalk and uniform dispersion have compared them to stuff costing thousands of ringgit.

In this case, the math and my ears say the same thing if interference isn't an issue, heck my brain says it. It says "you're hearing things" tongue.gif

I rather go through a checklist of the above then it comes to cable before the "sound"

- Handling characteristics
- Flexibility
- Oxidizational preference
- Strenght of contact grip
- Kewl Look  laugh.gif

I'm not even bothering with networking specifics when it comes to audio cable like

- Capacitance
- Resistance
- Inductance
- Crosstalk
- Attenuation
- Impedence Mismatch
- Reflection
- Low and High Frequency Shielding (foil/braid)

Why? because no ear can hear it, unless you're planning to make a cable run of 100 meters dahling  blush.gif and the fact is, digital data is a few million times faster and more complex. So i kind of select attributes where i need them. It's not like i take into context the shelf life of canned goods, true, it's a factor, but not an important one.

Wanna make your setup sound better? Open it up, look in her circuits and see what you can improve. You'll be amazed. Seriously.
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well. if copper is copper, then go out to jalan pasar, buy those RM 2 cable for the hifi which cause you RM 10K.
think about that dude.
if copper is copper, why people borther about 6N 7N, 99.9999% and 99.99999% really made the different?
according to your teory, even normal cheapo cable which has around 95% copper should be sound so different from those 99.9999% copper cable. because no one can really spot the 5% or 1% different. but TRUST ME. those hifi EAR can hear it. =)


i myself as a low end cable seller, Canare-L4E6S.
and i served quite a number of customers which is happy with my cable. if your math applied, and there's really no different amoung cable. probally i should be awarded with the "super-duper con man of the year" . which i cheat their money to spend hundrads on cable buying the same cable they can get in jalan pasar for RM 2. and yet i can make them happy with the cable....

also another example of MATH goes not well in AUdio, is
theorically they claim that FLAC = LOSSLESS.
come over my place, i let you listen FLAC and OGG i rip from original josh groban disc, and i let you listen the original disc, playing using same headphone, same speaker, same sound card, same notebook.
i can gurantee you that FLAC have some losses....because the josh groban song clip at certain place. it;s very minor one . but i can hear it.
i tough my CD rom got problems, so i rip using external drive, and play using the same drive using CD.
result are the same. i have 13 version of josh groban first album in my computer. all ripped with different CD rom, DVD rom, DVD writer. so on so on. but while i play it back USING SAME OPTICAL DRIVE, the one directly play from CD always better.


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well. if copper is copper, then go out to jalan pasar, buy those RM 2 cable for the hifi which cause you RM 10K.
think about that dude.
if copper is copper, why people borther about 6N 7N, 99.9999% and 99.99999% really made the different?
according to your teory, even normal cheapo cable which has around 95% copper should be sound so different from those 99.9999% copper cable. because no one can really spot the 5% or 1% different. but TRUST ME. those hifi EAR can hear it. =)
i myself as a low end cable seller, Canare-L4E6S.
and i served quite a number of customers which is happy with my cable. if your math applied, and there's really no different amoung cable. probally i should be awarded with the "super-duper con man of the year" . which i cheat their money to spend hundrads on cable buying the same cable they can get in jalan pasar for RM 2. and yet i can make them happy with the cable....

also another example of MATH goes not well in AUdio, is
theorically they claim that FLAC = LOSSLESS.
come over my place, i let you listen FLAC and OGG i rip from original josh groban disc, and i let you listen the original disc, playing using same headphone, same speaker, same sound card, same notebook.
i can gurantee you that FLAC have some losses....because the josh groban song clip at certain place. it;s very minor one . but i can hear it.
i tough my CD rom got problems, so i rip using external drive, and play using the same drive using CD.
result are the same. i have 13 version of josh groban first album in my computer. all ripped with different CD rom, DVD rom, DVD writer. so on so on. but while i play it back USING SAME OPTICAL DRIVE, the one directly play from CD always better.
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Point 1 : I'm comparing stuff againts subjective points, ever heard of the law of diminishing returns? Mind you purity isn't an issue, because it's real world tangible, question is why can companies like Kimber charge 200 percent of companies like Belden, Tyco and Canare when the purity is the same, citing it's "magically" better.

I said copper is copper sometimes, and assuming so, very pure copper until it's negligible. Trust me, they can't, so much do most can't even pass a DBT. I can pass a DBT when comparing shielded and non shielded in my system, because my environment calls for such and improvement. But where do we draw the line?

Point 2 : People are happy because people are satisfied. They see the difference, fine. What i'm questioning is sometimes is their ability to see the difference when the only difference between their new cable and their old one was 0.0000001 percent more purity and they say "WOW"

Point 3 : FLAC is lossless, Reedhamming as far as i'm concerned, Works. If CD CRC weren't perfect, we'd get bit-loss in our files, and heck to me it's the same CD Burner that burns both Audio and my encrypted files. And if one error occurs with the encrypted file, you can kiss em goodbye.

Mabye the trick here is to get your music playing program or disk drive to correct those errors since IIRC, CD Drives don't really bother with error correction when it comes to music (thus the settings in NERO)

If FLAC is lossy, maybe ZIP is too tongue.gif, i blame it on your reader or source, and mind you OGG is Lossy, it goes through processing and MDCT and recoding to FP code. So maybe it cuts out the lack of details and maybe that clipping was in the CD itself. It's just that other encoders weren't good enough to let it slip in.

Like i said, CDs are read on a case by case basis and most errors are just let through instead of corrected in the case of audio.


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i can gurantee you that FLAC have some losses....because the josh groban song clip at certain place. it;s very minor one . but i can hear it.
i tough my CD rom got problems, so i rip using external drive, and play using the same drive using CD.
result are the same. i have 13 version of josh groban first album in my computer. all ripped with different CD rom, DVD rom, DVD writer. so on so on. but while i play it back USING SAME OPTICAL DRIVE, the one directly play from CD always better.


If flac is lossy, we will hear the difference in the form of artifacts, not clipping. Apparently playback from HDDs isn't always a good thing >.>
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QUOTE(PcWork @ Oct 3 2006, 11:15 AM)
valve, but some factory cable :EG: Cardas cable are HAND TERMINTATED. so how do u define DIY and factory cable which is hand terminated?
the cardas even so strict that if other peolple buying same cable and same plug, soldering with same lead and same methods, they won't recognise it as their cardas sound. if we going to use pure match and physics on here, i doubt there's different. but hell, according to some hifi people, it DOES bring different.
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then it boils down to how u define 'hand terminate' and the tools they use. I can't elaborate more as i have never seen them soldering. It is the material of the lead, the connector, the cable and the soldering 'technique' that made the difference. Not sure wat technique, but i think it does matter.

empire23: try google on OCC copper (http://www.vhaudio.com/images/occ.jpg)
and Cryogenic Treatment (http://www.vhaudio.com/cryo.html)

do u think your high end belden will bother doing that on the cable?

i believe there are more treatments and the processes available of how the cable is made being kept secret by cable maker. That's why they don't bother explaining why their 99.99999% silver cable is different from others. They'll prefer your ears to do the judgement. Of course in your case, it doesn't matter smile.gif cause mathematically and physically, to you they are the same. As long as you put some exotic shoe lace to beautify it, it's great to you smile.gif

eventually i have tried the DIY cat5 with some cheapo made in china OFC cat5 cable, and it sucks smile.gif the sound is bright, and edgy. I won't bother trying it with belden.

Again, theory and science doesn't you how to make thing sounds nice. That is why there is no such software which can evaluate whether a music sound nice or not. Why don't u try explaining with maths and physics how to make audio sounds good without listening to it smile.gif how to tell if Emi Fujita's voice is better or Cai Qin without listening to it smile.gif
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i believe there are more treatments and the processes available of how the cable is made being kept secret by cable maker. That's why they don't bother explaining why their 99.99999% silver cable is different from others.


Its called OCC (ohno continuous cast), people do it for silver too =P how can it be "secret" anyway? Most cable companies don't exactly own entire factories dedicated to producing ultra-pure raw material - they buy large amounts of it from the people who are producing the raw material.

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empire23: try google on OCC copper (http://www.vhaudio.com/images/occ.jpg)
and Cryogenic Treatment (http://www.vhaudio.com/cryo.html)

do u think your high end belden will bother doing that on the cable?
Does anyone know why Cryogenic treatment improves the sound? Even cable freaks aren't going to be so quick to back up this claim. OCC copper isn't THAT expensive btw, and a number of boutique cable makers don't even use bother using OCC copper. More importantly, Empire23 was comparing belden cables of equal purity with so called "high end" offerings, not OFC belden vs OCC copper.

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Why don't u try explaining with maths and physics how to make audio sounds good without listening to it smile.gif


Math and physics can tell you how good/bad a cable is though... its just that certain "objectivists" claim that all cables are the same, yada yada.
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tachi: ya those are the KNOWN technology, i believe there are more techniques that are NOT KNOWN to the public.

The fact is you can't prove these cables are of equal purity
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then it boils down to how u define 'hand terminate' and the tools they use. I can't elaborate more as i have never seen them soldering. It is the material of the lead, the connector, the cable and the soldering 'technique' that made the difference. Not sure wat technique, but i think it does matter.

empire23: try google on OCC copper (http://www.vhaudio.com/images/occ.jpg)
and Cryogenic Treatment (http://www.vhaudio.com/cryo.html)

do u think your high end belden will bother doing that on the cable?

i believe there are more treatments and the processes available of how the cable is made being kept secret by cable maker. That's why they don't bother explaining why their 99.99999% silver cable is different from others. They'll prefer your ears to do the judgement. Of course in your case, it doesn't matter smile.gif cause mathematically and physically, to you they are the same. As long as you put some exotic shoe lace to beautify it, it's great to you smile.gif

eventually i have tried the DIY cat5 with some cheapo made in china OFC cat5 cable, and it sucks smile.gif the sound is bright, and edgy. I won't bother trying it with belden.

Again, theory and science doesn't you how to make thing sounds nice. That is why there is no such software which can evaluate whether a music sound nice or not. Why don't u try explaining with maths and physics how to make audio sounds good without listening to it smile.gif how to tell if Emi Fujita's voice is better or Cai Qin without listening to it smile.gif
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Belden Does Cryo treat cables lah dahling. Not for sound, but for durability. And if done by ametuers, Cryo treatment results in temperature shock. Ever see what happens when you smelt steel and then dip in ice cold water. All you do is let the crystals refall in place in a controlled manner, they certainly increase hardness, but how they affect signal loss?

Well here's an example of what belden does sell, the Belden 1506A, mind you it's more expensive than Kimber's offering but it is a fine piece of engineering, with all the specs needed.

For example Nordost advertises 66 percent the speed of light velocity for their cables, yet Belden gets 86 percent for their 4A. So, it's either someone is playing the numbers game or someone is lying. Question is, who? tongue.gif

I know how to see whether a cable sounds good but people wont listen. laugh.gif

Signal at Source = Signal at Output, Done. Now that's accuracy for you. And mind you a simple Tektronik Signal Analyzer will do that for you. Mind you the soul of audiophilia, which has been long forgotten mind you is the objective of getting a Perfect Representation of the source (be it concert recording or whatnots)

I'm joining alamaklor's team transparency lol. Back to the soul of audiophilia!
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this is what starquad should make into. a microphone cable biggrin.gif .
stripe all the wires. solder as shown below. biggrin.gif
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then solder the canon jack as shown below
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after that solder the starquad to the canon jack as shown
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same goes to the other end. which is quater inch jack
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and here is the end result
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What are you going to use that cable for wor? You have a balanced headphone that uses 4 pin XLR but you only have a headphone amp that uses 1/4'' plugs?
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Nope, it's a karaoke cable IIRC. Because Mics are terminated with the XLR and the amps are terminated with the 1/4
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What are you going to use that cable for wor? You have a balanced headphone that uses 4 pin XLR but you only have a headphone amp that uses 1/4'' plugs?
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Dun assume anything big and looks like that is an XLR, u got pawned! its stated there, the way the Canare eas SUPPOSED to be wired, as a microphone wire to a microphone jack wateva.
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What are you going to use that cable for wor? You have a balanced headphone that uses 4 pin XLR but you only have a headphone amp that uses 1/4'' plugs?
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it's a stereo to mono connection..... wink.gif
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I just did this yesterday. EMU 0404 - RCA breakout cable
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QUOTE(shinnosuke @ Oct 12 2006, 08:36 PM)
I just did this yesterday. EMU 0404 - RCA breakout cable
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pls dont flame nor luff at me, and pardon my ignorance - how can we make use of such EMU to RCA cables ? on Ld2+ ? rclxub.gif
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Almost all Josh Groban's cd i've heard clips...the recording is surprisingly poor...and for these crap recordings..I'd just keep them in lossy to save spaces.

I recently acquired a limp bizkit album that I used to listen to...wow jesus....it clips and distorts like crazy...I couldnt recall that it sounds so damn crappy.


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QUOTE(leeyn @ Oct 12 2006, 11:58 PM)
pls dont flame nor luff at me, and pardon my ignorance - how can we make use of such EMU to RCA cables ? on Ld2+ ?  rclxub.gif
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err.. to connect EMU 0404 to anything with RCA audio input?. Is that answering your question? yes, LDII+ is an example.

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. to connect EMU 0404 to anything with RCA audio input?...  LDII+ is an example.
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oh , you mean ld2+'s RCA output into EMU0404 (devices)...?
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QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Oct 13 2006, 01:18 AM)
I recently acquired a limp bizkit album that I used to listen to...wow jesus....it clips and distorts like crazy...I couldnt recall that it sounds so damn crappy.
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Well you'd kinda expect that with those albums wink.gif

QUOTE(leeyn @ Oct 13 2006, 12:53 PM)
oh , you mean ld2+'s RCA output into EMU0404 (devices)...?
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QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Oct 13 2006, 01:18 AM)
Almost all Josh Groban's cd i've heard clips...the recording is surprisingly poor...and for these crap recordings..I'd just keep them in lossy to save spaces.

I recently acquired a limp bizkit album that I used to listen to...wow jesus....it clips and distorts like crazy...I couldnt recall that it sounds so damn crappy.
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which album? second one?
if second one yes. but first one doesn't have clips on my headphone. perhaps not high end enough to show the clipping.
but once i bring it to hifi shop. and it sounds all right. very smooth.

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hi, i was browsing headfi to look for DIY cable. i saw a few RCA plugs from neurik, i jz wanna know whether it's good or not compared to canare...
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2.NEUTRIK NYS373-BLK RCA PLUG BLACK SHELL - $1.68 EA


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3.NEUTRIK NYS352G RCA PLUG GOLD - $1.29 EA


the page that sold them:
http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?&D...D=125&sm=1&so=2

any1 use this before? share the details with me k?
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neutrik high enders are better (more expensive) but overall, lebey kurang laa..i personally prefer neutrik to canare if i haf them.
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QUOTE(ijan @ Oct 26 2006, 06:30 PM)
neutrik high enders are better (more expensive) but overall, lebey kurang laa..i personally prefer neutrik to canare if i haf them.
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any example?
how much it will cost?
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study until damn boring, then make some recable job on a damaged headphone who gaved to me by a cousin working in air line.
the original cable is torned. after recable it, working very good. and have very very decent bass compare to HP890.. =P

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wat mini plug u using for those headphones bro? and where u get the cable sleeves?

also, do u happen to have any spare F12 plugs that can sell to me? looking for 3 pieces if u have.

i made 2 mini-rcas to test wth my newly acquired icute battery II headamp

this one is with unknown cheapo plugs + unknown 4-core shielded cable

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finally decided to get my hands on ORIGINAL Canare L-4E6S biggrin.gif

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red shrink is for right and the blue+white cable is actually shrinked with clear heatshrink meant for left. plugs are Canare F10.

mini is a 24k gold plated Radioshack plug. yes yes i know radioshack plugs sux but they didnt have the F12 in stock. so i used this plug which i bought while i was in San Francisco a few weeks back.

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Oct 28 2006, 01:21 PM)
neutrik profi, RM 60-RM80 a pair..
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http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.c...FTOKEN=87642519

where can i get this?
i also need some sleeve to make the wires thicker..
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hey guys....can someone give me some comments/ thoughts on the following cable combos

1/ Canare L-4E6S with the taiwan gold stereo mini x2
2/ Canare L-4E6S with the REAN stereo mini x2

how does it sound? does it help widen the soundstage?

would really like to know the effects on the bass and mids and highs as well as the soundstage.

thanks in advance.
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@PCWork
wat mini plug u using for those headphones bro? and where u get the cable sleeves?

also, do u happen to have any spare F12 plugs that can sell to me? looking for 3 pieces if u have.

i made 2 mini-rcas to test wth my newly acquired icute battery II headamp

this one is with unknown cheapo plugs + unknown 4-core shielded cable

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finally decided to get my hands on ORIGINAL Canare L-4E6S biggrin.gif

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red shrink is for right and the blue+white cable is actually shrinked with clear heatshrink meant for left. plugs are Canare F10.

mini is a 24k gold plated Radioshack plug. yes yes i know radioshack plugs sux but they didnt have the F12 in stock. so i used this plug which i bought while i was in San Francisco a few weeks back.
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lol. i myself looking for F-12. there's around 18 orders for stereo to RCA cable in my PM. and yet i can't find F-12 to make the cable for them.
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no time also.
the gold plug i use is same with yours, radio shack one. but mine is sort of heavier version, in the shop i buy, there is two plug, which look exactly the same,one with poorer quality is very light. and mine is slightly more heavy than a REAN plug.
IMHO. the plug quality is quite ok, compare to REAN. but quite a distance from F-12.
i myself got 4F-12 reserved, which is paid by customer long long long time ago, but he haven't come and collect it. =)
sleevE? i got from alamaklor.

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eh?? radioshack plugs??? where u got the radioshack plugs??

mine i bought in radioshack itself while i was in SF a few weeks back and i just removed the radioshack label from the plug
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its a sunday, im free. and i had nuttin better to do. so i made another mini-rca to test with my headamp (that makes it 3 cables to test!!)

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mini is a cheapo plug. the RCA is some cheap china brand "Choseal" supposedly a "Super Pure Copper Connector" as stated on the packaging. bough it in Darson in Jalan Pasar... 1 pack of 4 is RM19.70. there are more expensive ones but i didnt bother with those.

cable is a fake of the Canare L-2T2S. labelled as Canere L2T-2S. yes.. its spelled with an E and the "-" in the model number is in the wrong place laugh.gif just like the original its a 2-core shielded cable. price is RM2.50 per metre.

under the clear heatshrink, the silver cables u see spiralling around the blue and white RCA cable is actually the shield. took me some time to unbraid it. used it as ground on the mini side. but did not terminate it on the RCA side (should i have terminated it?? its a uni-directional cable anyway)
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Oct 29 2006, 07:06 PM)
its a sunday, im free. and i had nuttin better to do. so i made another mini-rca to test with my headamp (that makes it 3 cables to test!!)

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mini is a cheapo plug. the RCA is some cheap china brand "Choseal" supposedly a "Super Pure Copper Connector" as stated on the packaging. bough it in Darson in Jalan Pasar... 1 pack of 4 is RM19.70. there are more expensive ones but i didnt bother with those.

cable is a fake of the Canare L-2T2S. labelled as Canere L2T-2S. yes.. its spelled with an E and the "-" in the model number is in the wrong place laugh.gif just like the original its a 2-core shielded cable. price is RM2.50 per metre.

under the clear heatshrink, the silver cables u see spiralling around the blue and white RCA cable is actually the shield. took me some time to unbraid it. used it as ground on the mini side. but did not terminate it on the RCA side (should i have terminated it?? its a uni-directional cable anyway)
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brother, don't bother to use those fake canare.. IMHO and my comparison, the quality is huge different, and i throw my remaining 2 meter away. so that it does not waste my plugs.


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Option B- RCA- RCA

4X Canare F-10 RCA plug
4 Meter (2+2, total 4M) Canare L-4E6S StarQuad
y use 2 starquad for this interconnect? aint 1 is enough since it has 4 connector inside, 1 for each rca signal( left and right channel ) and the other 2 for ground?

can i use 2 L-2T2S cables for this interconnect?

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yeah u can use 2x L-2T2S to make the RCA interconnects.

anyway, im looking for right angle stereo mini's. anyone can tell me exact location in KL/PJ/ Jln Pasar to get them?? of course im looking for good ones la.

thanks in advance

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how about if i use 1 L-4E6S to make a pair of RCA to RCA? it looks more tidy and save cost..

how about the quality compared using 2 X L-2T2S?
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not sure about quality. but im sure its alright...tonnes of headfi fellers do the same thing.

not sure of the qulity diff between the L-4E6S and the L-2T2S
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y use 2 starquad for this interconnect? aint 1 is enough since it has 4 connector inside, 1 for each rca signal( left and right channel ) and the other 2 for ground?

can i use 2 L-2T2S cables for this interconnect?
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how about if i use 1 L-4E6S to make a pair of RCA to RCA? it looks more tidy and save cost..

how about the quality compared using 2 X L-2T2S?
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if u use 1 L-4E6S. of course won't be tidy as you need to open it up, and redo the shield.
from what i read from the canare technical specification, (a thick book canare gaved me.) i prefer to do double L-4E6S =P
reason? i feel it should be better from my calculation in capacitance. but how much better i not sure as it is only merely meter, while the data were calculated with 100 meter length.
u can use L-2t2s for it also, and according to the shop, it MIGHT better for VIDEO RCA, as each 2t2s contain 60 strain of copper thin wire, while 4E6S is only 40 strain. =P
u can try it out which one better. but from what i test, 4E6S sounds not bad in the dual configuration. so i didn't borther in testing 2t2s. i got use 2t2s as stereo cable. not bad also, the shield use as ground channel.

4E6S and 2t2s different is, 4e6s is starquad, and teorically as said in the book, it eliminate the magnetic resonance better than 2t2s as it is 4 wire twisted. but from graph of frequency respond, 2t2s, and 2b2at (thin) is better in higher end, treble.
so which one u prefer, it's actually up to you.


edit : and i use dual 4e6s as cosmetic and durabilities also. beccause with f-10, u can clamp the canare black wire,
if u split it, where u wanna clam? on the thin inner wire? and it does look so "not durable" as big big plug connected with two small wire only. hehehehe
i don't prefer that, and i don't wanna sell somethings that's not durable either...

if u don't wanna mess on 4e6s i strongly recommend u to try 2X 2T2S, as that is what recommended in canare book for RCA plug.


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QUOTE(PcWork @ Nov 1 2006, 04:23 PM)
i prefer to do double L-4E6S
reason? i feel it should be better from my calculation in capacitance. but how much better i not sure as it is only merely  meter, while the data were calculated with 100 meter length.
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capacitance? anything to do with the signal transmission? or u mean resistance?

if u using 2X L-4E6S, how do u connect it for RCA to RCA connection? 2 wire + metal braided sleeve for ground and another 2 for signal?

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capacitance? anything to do with the signal transmission? or u mean resistance?

if u using 2X L-4E6S, how do u connect it for RCA to RCA connection? 2 wire + metal braided sleeve for ground and another 2 for signal?
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sort of. =)
double everything.

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wohoo~
thx pcwork, cleared my doubts already..
thinking of making myself a RCA-RCA later...

p/s : F-12 is really hard to find, pasar road is already out of stock..
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post some picture later.
just try not to over heat it.
and F-10 is so far one of the not bad quality plug with cheap price.
built quality is nice.. and i like it's colour and shape too. compare to neutrik which have some plastic part.. =P
just personal liking.

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well..kinda a quick survey here..gonna to import sum of f-12 into malaysia from usa....pricing estimately rm 14..does nyone interested?
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QUOTE(PcWork @ Nov 6 2006, 05:36 PM)
post some picture later.
just try not to over heat it.
and F-10 is so far one of the not bad quality plug with cheap price.
built quality is nice.. and i like it's colour and shape too. compare to neutrik which have some plastic part.. =P
just personal liking.
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well..kinda  a quick survey here..gonna to import sum of f-12 into malaysia from usa....pricing estimately rm 14..does nyone interested?
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QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Nov 6 2006, 06:23 PM)
well..kinda  a quick survey here..gonna to import sum of f-12 into malaysia from usa....pricing estimately rm 14..does nyone interested?
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yeah....im interested!!!

me wan 5 bijik..but only at the end of the month..this month pokai sweat.gif
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QUOTE(yeahs4.1 @ Nov 6 2006, 07:33 PM)
i will, mayb tonight? whistling.gif
i'm the 1st 1~
u already knew it right?
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yeah..ahahaha...nyway how many pieces u really want

QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 6 2006, 07:36 PM)
yeah....im interested!!!

me wan 5 bijik..but only at the end of the month..this month pokai sweat.gif
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well..it takes 12 days from usa to arrive...3 dayz from shop to my friends...so basically 15 dayz after i order which i the quickest is on this monday..
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spent 45 minutes on this, my 1st DIY RCA-RCA cable is successfully made, jz like the way pcwork recommended me, using 2 X 2meter of L-4E6S + 4 Canare F-10. cable was bought from amirsubhi. thx lots dudes rclxms.gif

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i use some shrinktube to colour-coded both side of the RCA. this side of rca should be connected to the speaker.

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this side is supposed to be connected to the source as i used the metal braided shield as extra ground.

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i use some shrink tube to hold the 2 wires together. how much i wished that techflex is cheaper and easily available in malaysia.. cry.gif


p/s : amirsubhi, i want 3 biji.. hehe..

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hmm... is there such thing as extension for the 3.5mm audio jack??
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hmm... is there such thing as extension for the 3.5mm audio jack??
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yes there is.... can get at ACE hardware.. my colleague just bought one a few weeks ago.

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nice one dude... like the heatshrink idea on the plugs thumbup.gif looks factory produced biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 7 2006, 05:09 AM)
yes there is.... can get at ACE hardware.. my colleague just bought one a few weeks ago.

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nice one dude... like the heatshrink idea on the plugs thumbup.gif looks factory produced biggrin.gif
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wheres ACE hardware??
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QUOTE(ggoo @ Nov 7 2006, 02:13 PM)
wheres ACE hardware??
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http://www.acehardware.com.my/location.html

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QUOTE(yeahs4.1 @ Nov 6 2006, 10:38 PM)
spent 45 minutes on this, my 1st DIY RCA-RCA cable is successfully made, jz like the way pcwork recommended me, using 2 X 2meter of L-4E6S + 4 Canare F-10. cable was bought from amirsubhi. thx lots dudes rclxms.gif

i use some shrink tube to hold the 2 wires together. how much i wished that techflex is cheaper and easily available in malaysia.. cry.gif
p/s : amirsubhi, i want 3 biji.. hehe..
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nice job you've done there. looks pretty. =)
do some review how it sound compare to previous cable?
and techflex i don't think suitable for that, it will make it fat, and rough. some more, where are you gonna put techflex?
splitting part X2 , joining part X1 , splitting part X2?
u still have to use heatshrink at the joining part.
and too extreme loh. for me this look is the best, looks not so normal, but not so crazy. and performance wice is good. =P

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still dun have the chance to test.. will make a mini to RCA before testing.. sadly f-12 is currently unavailable here...
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5 madman....5 pcwork...3 yeahs4.1 ..total 13...i'll take 20 then for f-12...
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Anywhere around PJ i can get these cables and plugs?
Kinda free right now, thought i'd make some for fun biggrin.gif
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amirsubhi, how much Canare F-12 per pcs? And what different between F-10? Kinda noob here. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(KilJim @ Nov 7 2006, 08:33 PM)
Anywhere around PJ i can get these cables and plugs?
Kinda free right now, thought i'd make some for fun  biggrin.gif
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Make me one if u want doing it for fun. (of course want it free) brows.gif
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DIY cable is fun, wish i can make more.. jz dun have the $$$ and the purpose..
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QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Nov 7 2006, 08:36 PM)
amirsubhi, how much Canare F-12 per pcs? And what different between F-10? Kinda noob here. biggrin.gif
Make me one if u want doing it for fun. (of course want it free) brows.gif
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Free my arse laugh.gif
They'll probably look like crap anyway, never made any cables before

Not too familiar with KL/Pasar Road, so it'd be a lot easier if there are other places around PJ
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post Nov 7 2006, 10:09 PM

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F-12 will be around 16 per piece, and it's 3.5mm minijack
F-10 will be around 14 per piece, it;s RCA jack

although it's only entry level cable/connector, it gonna cost us ( me, at least ) a bomb
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post Nov 7 2006, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(KilJim @ Nov 7 2006, 08:33 PM)
Anywhere around PJ i can get these cables and plugs?
Kinda free right now, thought i'd make some for fun  biggrin.gif
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sowi..misundastood ur post just now..ahahha...still feel dizzy....maybe i'm having a fever....sighnyway so far i do not sure around pj ...,maybe sumone know ...since i alwayz get the cable n connector at jalan pasar..IC electronics shop to be specific..although sum shop same canare cable ..


QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Nov 7 2006, 08:36 PM)
amirsubhi, how much Canare F-12 per pcs? And what different between F-10? Kinda noob here. biggrin.gif
Make me one if u want doing it for fun. (of course want it free) brows.gif
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f-12 for 3.5mm jack...those earphone jack size ....f10 is for rca..u know...rgb cable..those red and white/black..

so far...i estimately rm14 per unit[for f1-2] if order from us..but thats not my final price yet..since i still calculatin on shippin...n jalan pasar price is rm18..u can get rm17 if can deal with the shop owner.....but now they are out of stock..dunno when they gonna to restock

(me ..when gonna to order?..well this monday...n it takes 13 dayz to reach malaysia n custom doesnt block it)

nyway more detail for the plug here http://canare.com/index.cfm?objectid=BB083...F5DA43EE99C3A24

wanna more deep detail..here http://www.canare.com/files/Catalog11page_28.pdf



making the interconnects thread at headfi http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52044

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post Nov 7 2006, 10:47 PM

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Dude, i'm asking u guys if there's a shop around PJ
I dont know, hence i ask sweat.gif

Wise man say : Don't get cables and plugs from he who does not know where to get them from biggrin.gif

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ahhaha..sowi2..juz now edited my post..
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So they're all out from the regular shop?
Guess i'll throw in a few orders with you too then, if the bulk goes on
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post Nov 7 2006, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(KilJim @ Nov 7 2006, 10:49 PM)
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So they're all out from the regular shop?
Guess i'll throw in a few orders with you too then, if the bulk goes on
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Yeah, perhaps make bulk for us... laugh.gif
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nyway it will be quick non profit bulk...since the price i get is usd3.65 for 10 pieces...if nyone do have source of cheaper price..please tell me...

n dat price..doesnt include shipping to malaysia yet..well..if take many ..shipping would be lesser right

nyway here da place dsat i gonna to buy...http://www.fullcompass.com/product/289774.html

u see...10 units u get usd 3.65..

50 units..u get usd3.39.....but 50 units kinda imposible to reach larh..ahhaha

if one hundred..it would be usd3.13

for custom...for 30 units below..i still can talk...ahaha..say i;m student make research blabla..ahahha....but sigh..diz is nontaxable item right?

shipping....this worry me most...coz i cant budget how much the shipping cost..
so my calculation...i estimate shipping would be usd30 for 50 units...so 30/50 around 0.667 ..so basically its usd 3.39 plus 0.667 ..cincai its usd 4....multiply buy paypal rate at lowyat which is rm3.5 per usd...so..basically..cincai..rm 14..

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post Nov 7 2006, 11:09 PM

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yeah.. the more, the cheaper..

any1, please join the bulk.. the target is to bring in 100 F-12 plugs? XD
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@amirsubhi
will u by any chance be ordering f10 plugs as well??? or r u just gonna order f12 only?
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 7 2006, 11:39 PM)
@amirsubhi
will u by any chance be ordering f10 plugs as well??? or r u just gonna order f12 only?
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i can include f10..but da price is a lil bit different...one unit equa to usd 3.38

but for 10 units usd3.15 ea.
Buy 50 more @ $2.93 ea.
Buy 100 more @ $2.70 ea.

but dat not include shipping..shippin will be divide will all plugs..wether its f-10 or f-12
nyway judging from the price...i recommend u to get at jalan pasar..coz da price is almost da same...and there's possibility mine is expensive becoz of shipping

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QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Nov 8 2006, 12:24 AM)
nyway judging from the price...i recommend u to get at jalan pasar..coz da price is almost da same...and there's possibility mine is expensive becoz of shipping
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I will try looking it at Jalan Pasar (if they're got stock). Canare cable also can get it overthere?
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yeah, u can find 2 type of canare cable at there. L-4E6S priced at rm7 per meter and L-2T2S priced at rm9 per meter..


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QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Nov 8 2006, 12:24 AM)
i can include f10..but da price is a lil bit different...one unit equa to usd 3.38

but for 10 units usd3.15 ea.
Buy 50 more @ $2.93 ea.
Buy 100 more @ $2.70 ea.

but dat not include shipping..shippin will be divide will all plugs..wether its f-10 or f-12
nyway judging from the price...i recommend u to get at jalan pasar..coz da price is almost da same...and there's possibility mine is expensive becoz of shipping
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in that case its ok dude...thanks anyway...

just thought if its around the same price might as well get from u coz lazy wanna go jalan pasar biggrin.gif

@ikan_semilang
go to jalan pasar and look for IC Electronics. its right opposite the food court. just go to the counter and ask for canare cables. theyll give u a booklet and ask u to choose which one. u just have to know which one or which type u want

the 2 models yeahs4.1 mentioned would be the most favoured and commonly used. they have a whole lot more in the booklet than those 2 tongue.gif

L-4E6S - 4 core shielded cable.

L-2T2S - 2 core shielded cable.

u can also get the canare F10 there. but sadly F12 dun have stock... which is why were ordering from amirsubhi

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i'm going to finalize my order..anyone else??
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eerrr....bro...i ordered 5 pieces right?? make mine 7 pieces of F12 la biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Nov 12 2006, 03:18 PM)
i'm going to finalize my order..anyone else??
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Would it be possible to throw in a few orders for the F-15/F-16 plugs?
Need to get some 1/4" ones too
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7 madman....5 pcwork...10 yeahs4.1 ..total 22...i'll take 25 then for f-12...

am i missing any order..?

nyway for pricing..price would be rm 14 to rm 15 depend on price of shipping...nyway..hopefully the shipping is cheaper..ahahha...again i stated..price may vary becoz of the shipping cost...but then..i promise no matter what happen..it shouldnt became same price as jalan pasar

nyway KilJim...at jalan pasar doesnt have f-15 or f-16?..if no..i can get it for u..

arh..evryone plz confirm wimme .make it fast..wanna order it oledi..hehehe

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QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Nov 13 2006, 07:03 PM)
7 madman....5 pcwork...10 yeahs4.1 ..total 22...i'll take 25 then for f-12...

am i missing any order..?

nyway for pricing..price would be rm 14 to rm 15 depend on price of shipping...nyway..hopefully the shipping is cheaper..ahahha...again i stated..price may vary becoz of the shipping cost...but then..i promise no matter what happen..it shouldnt became same price as jalan pasar


arh..evryone plz confirm wimme .make it fast..wanna order it oledi..hehehe
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wohoo~ hardly believe i;m the biggest customer.. rclxms.gif
so addicted into DIY-ing

anybody else that wanna DIY should join the bulk.. hurry up pls~
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QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Nov 13 2006, 07:03 PM)
7 madman....5 pcwork...10 yeahs4.1 ..total 22...i'll take 25 then for f-12...

am i missing any order..?

nyway for pricing..price would be rm 14 to rm 15 depend on price of shipping...nyway..hopefully the shipping is cheaper..ahahha...again i stated..price may vary becoz of the shipping cost...but then..i promise no matter what happen..it shouldnt became same price as jalan pasar

nyway KilJim...at jalan pasar doesnt have f-15 or f-16?..if no..i can get it for u..

arh..evryone plz confirm wimme .make it fast..wanna order it oledi..hehehe
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Not too sure since i've never been there
Anyone has any idea if they're still available there?

Put in my order for 5 x F-12 for now
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post Nov 13 2006, 09:40 PM

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F-12 Plugs
1.madman --- 7 units
2.pcwork --- 5 units
3.yeahs4.1--- 10 units
4.KilJim --- 5 units

Total = 27 [I Will Order 30]


Neutrik NP3C-B 3-conductor 1/4" phone plug

1.Cherloon --- 1units

Total = 1 [I Will Order one]

Shipping will be shared together..total shippinh will be divide with total units.

Any other order??

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