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post May 5 2019, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(jhleo1 @ May 5 2019, 09:35 AM)
For JBL Bar 3.1, found out from AVS forum that the unit "looks like it only uses the "center" channel when a true dolby digital signal goes through. Otherwise it's 2.1". Its true?

Anyway this unit got lots good reviews. Really need to find a place which can test out the sound.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/195-soundbar...-1-a.html?amp=1
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For LG, you can set either follow the actual sound set where mostly firing up speaker don't have sound as that speaker only apply to Dolby Atmos or let every speaker always have sound. This some how simulate the Atmos setup even though no Atmos detect.

Another thing probably due to 3.1 never is standard as sound often configured as 2.1, 5.1 and 7.1

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post May 5 2019, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(MorningBoyz @ May 5 2019, 09:21 PM)
hahaha but JBL subwoofer sedap. one of the best.

so you mean LG SK9Y would sound better than Yamaha YAS-207 when both are playing none dobly audio source?
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In my opinion, Yamaha YAS 207 sound is good but no way near the quality of LG SK9Y sound output.

Dolby or not is not very important to me as most of the time I playback via LPCM. The Dolby or DTS track will be encode by Apple TV 4K as multi channel LPCM and send over to soundbar. Thanks to the way Apple implement as I no need worried what kind of sound track it is as it is support all type of soundtrack to LPCM. This include Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA.

Shop test is using demo disc, I didn't check the format.

JBL wise I had no idea as I haven't test yet.

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post May 6 2019, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(MorningBoyz @ May 5 2019, 11:03 PM)
so does this mean if i am using SK9Y without apple TV 4K, then playing none dobly audio source i still have the setting to make full use of all speaker instead of maybe a preset of few?
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As long your device support multi channel LPCM.
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post May 6 2019, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(MorningBoyz @ May 6 2019, 02:53 PM)
Device such as PS4 pro, TV and TV box?
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Yup but not TV out. Most TV not support lossless track.

This year or next year TV maybe will but required e-ARC also.

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post May 12 2019, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(MorningBoyz @ May 12 2019, 01:14 PM)
Saw LG SK9Y at home expo. Tested it, I feel that SK9Y can only be fully utilize if we are playing dobly Atmos source. Listen in normal 2.1 make not much difference for the price difference

Also not sure it is me or what. I felt the bass is weaker. Although clarity is superb
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You are right in certain if the shop put in default setting. LG default setting is more emphasis on Treble where I not very like also.

The bass is very weak in default, you need to change the setting of woofer from 0 to 5 (max is 6), then it is freaking strong.

As for 2.0 track movies, only in Bass Blast+ or Movies setting make it sound decent. This thing I just notice recently, others preset sound bad when listing to 2.0 track movies.

I also just notice Bass Blast+ is actually the closer to Dolby Atmos sound setting on LG SK9Y.

I currently set as following (only show what is change from default)

- Preset set as Bass Blast+
- Bass +2
- Woofer +4
- Center +2
- Surround On

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post May 12 2019, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(MorningBoyz @ May 12 2019, 05:07 PM)
Yup so i went to harvey norman to test Yamaha YAS-207 while my memory of SK9Y still fresh.

Then i test it on normal 2.0 track/movie, i felt SK9Y really good in clarity, specially vocal and when there is talking in movie, can hear it clearly even if there is other noise. Unlike YAS-207 vocal or talking voice will be muffled by other noise / sound from the same track. Then listening to music even it is normal 2.0 the vocal clarity is so good and pleasant to listen, very clear (but cant max it else it would be distorted)

Then i asked for dobly atmos sound test, fulamak SK9Y totally amazed me, so so much nicer than YAS-207(although it got DTS virtual:x) so nice that passerby also stop and stand there to listen. Max out the volume then everything become so clear to listen (to bad i am in hall so only can hear the sense of left right, cant feel the height or deepness)

So now i understand why u like SK9Y, if as you said the bass if it can be adjust to higher bass then along with its good sound clarify then I am much more sold to SK9Y than YAS-207.  innocent.gif wait for promo price lo
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It can be adjust. I still adjusting as different show give different. I still try getting the most balance. Haha!

Below is the setting you can set (No setting when Dolby Atmos detect)

- Treble and Bass (-5 to +5)
- Center, Real, Overhead Speaker, Woofer (-6 to +6)
- Real Speaker Output (Original or Surround)

I think I am settle for following now. Haha!
Edit: I am satisfied with following setting now.

- Treble (-2)
- Bass (+2)
- Center (+1)
- Woofer (+6)
- Real Output (Surround)
- Preset (Bass Blast+)

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QUOTE(cyrobytes @ May 12 2019, 11:12 PM)
Just bought the Samsung HW-N950. Sound quality is superb especially on Dolby Atmos sources. However, i am encounter the TV ARC issue with my Q10 Pro, most probably is the HDMI CEC issue, will buy a hdmi CEC less adapter from taobao to eliminate the problem.
Other than that, everything is very good.
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This sound bar cost RM 6.5k, if sound not ok then die lo tongue.gif

I think the problem should be solved by just connect your Q10 Pro to the sound bar HDMI-IN.
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post May 13 2019, 02:32 AM

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QUOTE(MorningBoyz @ May 12 2019, 08:48 PM)
but the price between YAS-207 and SK9Y quite a lot  sweat.gif
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The differences is only around RM 600 now. I think it is not that huge different already.

I think it won't go down further more a lot, but instead stop production soon as SL10Y & SL9Y is already out in some country.

SL9Y (USD $ 999.99 = RM 4.1k) is not a replacement for SK9Y in my opinion as it is only 4.1.2.
SL10Y (USD $ 1299.99 = RM 5.4k) wise is the replacement for SK10Y.

Both new soundbar of SL9Y and SK10Y good point is support all kind of format include DTS:X & DTS-HD MA.

Attached here the differences of LG SK9Y vs Yamaha YAS-207

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Is Lossless Track important? Yes and No, it depends on the device you use. Take for example my Panasonic 4K Blu-ray player only able convert to lossless PCM 2.0 or lossy DTS, then when format like DTS-HD MA not support, it will auto convert to lossy DTS or PCM 2.0 depends on your setting. Either format is impact to the actual sound output quality.

But my Apple TV 4K wise is convert all track except lossy Dolby Atmos but it is include lossless (Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA) to lossless multi-channel LPCM up to 7.1 before send to my soundbar, in this case the support or not lossless track in soundbar is not that important. The cons of Apple TV 4K now is not support lossless Dolby Atmos in Dolby TrueHD but only lossy Dolby Atmos in Dolby Digital Plus and I already found player support lossy Dolby Atmos for local playback. The support of lossless Dolby Atmos is not possible unless Apple support it 1st.

By the way LG SK9Y is not perfect, below is need to take noted information I notice after testing around with different type of movies and soundbar preset.
  • Adaptive Sound Control (ASC) output true 2.0 track for you if the track is 2.0, this means the woofer is like totally not working because the track is .0, this is the reason I change to others preset and re-test again.
  • Movie preset is some how 50% louder than others preset, it is immersive but it got some issue in certain movie, I notice it sound very flat on Disney Animation (The Lion King, The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Pocahontas). The sound flat I mean is missing the effect that suppose sound strong or singing part where suppose louder but it became softer. It also happen in movie like Ready Player One and Baby Driver where suppose strong effect part is instead became softer sound. Due to this issue, I won't use Movie preset any more.
  • Woofer need to increase to at least +4 (I put +6), or else it is like no bass at all.
  • Treble I turn down to -2 and Bass +2, I find this setting is the best balance.
  • Center I turn to +1 to increase the vocal without impact the rest.
  • Surround default is off, it is advise to turn on, this is required to make movie track 2.0 with surround feel and woofer bass. (Not working in ASC mode)
  • Bass Blast+ is the best preset with strong immersive feel and it is also the default mode, in this mode no issue in any film, no more sound flat issue in Disney Animation and also movie like Ready Player One and Baby Driver.
  • The preset will auto turn to Dolby Atmos preset when Dolby Atmos track detect, this is not an issue because it sound freaking awesome in Dolby Atmos without need of any setting adjustment.


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QUOTE(cyrobytes @ May 13 2019, 08:52 AM)
Haha...i bought it at a good price in Lazada + maybank15% discount <4000 MYR.
Q10 Pro itself is no problem (hdmi to soundbar). Problem is when play netflix from tv, only have video without sound. Need to reboot Q10 Pro then only solve the problem.
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Wow! This is a very great price. Nice!

Oh haha I see. This I not very sure already as I don't have this TV box.

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QUOTE(happyhaka @ May 16 2019, 11:19 PM)
Got an SK9Y from Lazada. Heard from Senheng that this model is already discontinued. Looks like the SL9 is coming out soon.
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No suprise since SL9Y is already selling at overseas country but SL9Y only 4.1.2, LG make more clear separation this time.

for 5.1.2 replacement, it is way up to SL10Y now.

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QUOTE(sirknieghf @ May 18 2019, 10:55 AM)
Hi Everyone,

This is my 1st time buying external speaker/soundbar for tv and I've been looking at soundbar for my LG 55uh615t tv mostly for Netflix and youtube video but I'm not sure what are the factors to look into hardware wise before buying a soundbar. do I need to look at the tv supported audio format? do i need to look at my android box supported audio (1st gen mibox) etc?

currently, I'm looking at sony z9f, LG sk9y, LG sk10y mainly due to interest in atmos also I've read that LG SL model coming. I would very much appreciate any suggestion and thanks in advance notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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From your TV spec here - https://www.lg.com/my/tvs/lg-55UH615T it is not support Dolby ATMOS. Means your Netflix at TV cannot run Dolby ATMOS track. LG only support Dolby ATMOS in OLED model.

As for your Mi Box is not support Netflix in Dolby ATMOS also. Means your Mi Box also cannot playback Netflix in Dolby ATMOS.

You won't received Netflix Dolby ATMOS signal from your TV or Mi Box even though you have a Dolby ATMOS SoundBar or Dolby ATMOS Home Theater System because you need to have a Netflix playback device that is support Dolby ATMOS. Off course they is still sound output as Netflix will turn to normal sound track.

It is very limited device support Netflix Dolby ATMOS track.

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/64066

Only following TV Box or TV support Dolby ATMOS track from Netflix.
You need either one of it to get Dolby ATMOS track from Netflix.
  • Apple TV 4K (requires tvOS 12 or later)
  • LG OLED TVs (2017 or newer models)
  • Panasonic TVs (2019 or newer models)
  • Pixela 4K Smart Tuner
  • Roku TVs (2018 or newer models)
  • Sony BRAVIA Android TVs (2018 or newer models)
  • Toshiba TVs (2019 or newer models)
  • Vizio TVs (2018 or newer models)
  • Windows 10 computer or tablet (requires Windows 10 RS3 Build 16299 or later)
  • Xbox One, Xbox One S, and Xbox One X
Also do remember not all show in Netflix is support Dolby ATMOS, only some Netflix Original show is running in Dolby ATMOS. Show not original from Netflix none of it is running with Dolby ATMOS track.

If your main source is only from Netflix, you probably can totally forget about Dolby ATMOS.

As for YouTube wise, YouTube not support Dolby ATMOS track. Those Demo in YouTube did not run in Dolby ATMOS track.

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QUOTE(MorningBoyz @ May 18 2019, 05:04 PM)
Saw JBL Bar 3.1 at OneLiving. Tested it. Very impressive. It has the clarity of SK9Y but more solid strong bass(10" subwoofer ftw) voice or talking won't be muffled over. Tempted dy. But the price so much difference.
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I suggest you get the Yamaha YAS-207 as that one closer to your budget and still sound nice.
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QUOTE(sirknieghf @ May 18 2019, 06:47 PM)
Thanks for the elaborate reply, so scrap the atmos soundbar then. need to look for other soundbar then  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Just treat Atmos as additional advantage plus.

If budget is not an issue, go for Atmos soundbar, it is added benefits and more future proof.

Also Dolby Atmos soundbar is support all Dolby format.

Of course beside support, sound quality is important factor as well.

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QUOTE(sirknieghf @ May 18 2019, 08:33 PM)
Do you have any soundbar suggestion other than the soundbar I've mentioned in my earlier post? price would around RM3k to RM4k.
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If you ask me, I will recommended LG SK9Y which is already in your previous listing, I am using it, Haha! RM 2k. Original release is RM 4k++, probably due to new version is out soon, it is freaking cheap now, another reason maybe sales not good due to the default setting bass like missing.

This sound bar is fantastic after you did some adjustment on it, especially increase the woofer to maximum +6, it is freaking strong bass after this changes.

Original setting of 0 in woofer make the bass very weak, I don't know why LG tune like that, maybe the person tune it don't like bass. Haha!

If you want more level up, then LG SL10Y (not yet in Malaysia market), or Samsung harman kardon hw-n950. But both price at +/- RM 5k.
This two model support all kind of sound format include Dolby Atmos and DTS: X.

Another can consider is JBL 3.1 Soundbar which around RM 2.2k, I haven't test yet but from all user here that own it or test it said very awesome.

QUOTE(MorningBoyz @ May 18 2019, 09:45 PM)
But if Yamaha YAS-207 then i might as well use back my dekstop speaker. sound almost the same except no DTS virtual X
tried YAS-207 there is 1 thing i not really content is the talking/voice will some time get muffled
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In this case you must increase your budget to RM 2.2K, then you can choose either JBL Bar 3.1 or if you still interesting with LG SK9Y, trust me the woofer is freaking strong, just the person tune it wrongly in default setting which make the bass like never exist.

Do this setting and try again.

For LG SK9Y
- Treble (-2)
- Bass (+2)
- Center (+1)
- Woofer (+6)
- Real Output (Surround)
- Preset (Bass Blast+)

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ May 18 2019, 11:56 PM)
SK9Y now below 2k

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/lg-sk9y-...s648421237.html

if lazada do sales again with voucher i think quite worth to get it.
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RM 1,999 still consider RM 2K la, it just RM 1 differences. tongue.gif

Ya it is worth to get now, for such price, very worth it. smile.gif

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QUOTE(sirknieghf @ May 21 2019, 10:16 PM)
Thanks man, ill look into the sk9, ive been reading they said compared to sony z9f, sony dialog audio is better than lg, never tested on my own though. how much of a diff of sk9 and sk10?
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The Sony Z9F got everything include DTS:X but it is extra RM 1k, Sony sound quality never need to be doubt, it always great.

As for SK10Y is extra RM 2k with Meridian Technology, still no DTS:X, LG only new series this year came with DTS:X, this include SL10Y and SK9Y.

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QUOTE(happyhaka @ May 22 2019, 09:27 PM)
For those using the SK9 my soundbar seems to be moving on its own to the optical output. So when im playing on Spotify then suddenly it would stop since it moved the function to optical. Anybody experiencing the same?
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So far nope for me, did you connect any to optical?

But I do face auto switch to Bluetooth, I believe is someone try connecting it. Now I put Bluetooth Connection Restrictions, so far not happen already.

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QUOTE(MorningBoyz @ Jun 1 2019, 10:14 AM)
Does your LG SK9Y support HDR? On spec it written 4K pass through but didn't mention HDR.
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Hi support full RGB HDR or 4.4.4 HDR. In short maximum colour HDR is support.
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QUOTE(Lurker @ Jun 1 2019, 04:03 PM)
just curious
what does sound got to do with HDR?
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This is very important because to get any lossless sound you need connect your device to soundbar HDMI-IN.

Connect device to TV and ARC to soundbar only support lossy sound.

If not support HDR, then your visual will have problem where only can out SDR.

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QUOTE(GHOSTVIC @ Jun 1 2019, 03:23 PM)
LG SL10Y 5.1.2ch vs SAMSUNG HWN950 7.1.2ch
Best price RM4998 vs RM3955

HWn950 seems cheaper than SL10Y.. about 1000+ lesser
Why hwn950 at perak nearly 2k less compare kl..
Need to check comparison in this both latest spec...
Works well in Hdmi arc ?

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HDMI ARC is useless as it not support lossless sound.

Unless the soundbar is using latest eARC, then support lossless but in this case your TV also need to support eARC. Basically only this year high end model support eARC.

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