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post Oct 1 2022, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(tmc @ Sep 30 2022, 01:03 PM)
Don't know if reading it correctly, the power output seems like low. 7 units of 15w+70w woofer that is not even 200watt. Other brands says higher power.
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More watts = clearer sound? Or just louder?
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QUOTE(tmc @ Sep 30 2022, 07:40 PM)
This is what I gathered, correct me if I am wrong.

LG SN8y 440watt, 3.1.2 channel
Samsung 360watt, 3.1.2 channel

Edifier ???? watt, 5.1.2 channel
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according to their specs here... just 175watt

https://shopee.com.my/Edifier-B700---5-1-2-...2hoCibwQAvD_BwE


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post Oct 1 2022, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(ckwhy @ Oct 1 2022, 01:35 PM)
More watts = clearer sound? Or just louder?
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Higher watts louder sounds even at lower volume. Lower watts you need to crank up the volume, at high volume usually will lose sound clarity because of distortion.
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post Oct 1 2022, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(ckwhy @ Oct 1 2022, 01:35 PM)
More watts = clearer sound? Or just louder?
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All brands should ensure that they can output the sound within their specification without distortion. Under this premise, brands like LG can output upto their upto the 440 wattage specifications without distortion.

If the wattage for Edifier is only 175watt, that means it can only output 175watt without distortion. So either it cannot be louder than 175watt, or if it is louder than 175watt, there will be distortion.

Do not seem to be a great spec if my understanding is correct.
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post Oct 2 2022, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(tmc @ Oct 1 2022, 08:35 PM)
All brands should ensure that they can output the sound within their specification without distortion. Under this premise, brands like LG can output upto their upto the 440 wattage specifications without distortion.

If the wattage for Edifier is only 175watt, that means it can only output 175watt without distortion. So either it cannot be louder than 175watt, or if it is louder than 175watt, there will be distortion.

Do not seem to be a great spec if my understanding is correct.
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My first home theater setup was a cheap sony 5.1 bluray player with 300w total output. Volume had to be 80 and above if I really want to enjoy the sound. After few years it started giving error push power protect if I use it for long hour sessions, dropping the volume to 60 something would solve the issue. It was like cpu throttling in pc whenever a temperature threshold is reached.

I believe nowadays speakers are made from better materials, 175w maybe sounds a bit low but it probably good enough to fill a small living room. But then asking 1.9k for it is ridiculous.
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post Oct 2 2022, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(sanosizo @ Oct 2 2022, 10:51 AM)
My first home theater setup was a cheap sony 5.1 bluray player with 300w total output. Volume had to be 80 and above if I really want to enjoy the sound. After few years it started giving error push power protect if I use it for long hour sessions, dropping the volume to 60 something would solve the issue. It was like cpu throttling in pc whenever a temperature threshold is reached.

I believe nowadays speakers are made from better materials, 175w maybe sounds a bit low but it probably good enough to fill a small living room. But then asking 1.9k for it is ridiculous.
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Yeah what you say is true. Also not all brands are honest about their spec, we hope it is a case of other brands overstated their spec, while Edifier understated their spec. We can get to the bottom of this by looking at a review. But then the Edifier has no review either.
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post Oct 3 2022, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(ckwhy @ Sep 29 2022, 07:29 PM)
Hi, I see most are discussing about Samsung, LG and Sony.
Anyone bought Yamaha YAS 209?

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I don't have YAS209 but i'm using something similar from yamaha. it goes loud. sound is warm and not brash/bright.
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QUOTE(overfloe @ Oct 3 2022, 11:18 AM)
I don't have YAS209 but i'm using something similar from yamaha. it goes loud. sound is warm and not brash/bright.
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Thanks.
I got myself YAS209 after testing it.
I compare it side by side with Samsung Q600B, which is priced similarly but with much higher spec.

YAS209 is only 2.1 with Dolby Digital - 2019 product
Q600B is 3.1.2 with Dolby Atmos - 2022 product

But after testing “Hotel California” song, the guitar sound so much better on the Yamaha YAS209.

Please listen before buying , same like test drive a car
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QUOTE(sanosizo @ Oct 1 2022, 03:56 PM)
Higher watts louder sounds even at lower volume. Lower watts you need to crank up the volume, at high volume usually will lose sound clarity because of distortion.
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That's not how wattage works.

Speakers are measured in sensitivity (dB) x wattage @ voltage x distance. Without going into maths and explaining your experience in layman terms, the reason you hear a "higher wattage" system sounding "louder" at lower volumes (measured in dBfs) is because the speaker's impedance and sensitivity at that low input volume is lower (for the impedance) and higher (for the sensitivity).

I don't blame you, I blame manufacturers for playing the power marketing game. 99% of the population seems to believe that higher wattage = better sound. That isn't even remotely true, which is good news for big brand manufacturers.


QUOTE(sanosizo @ Oct 2 2022, 10:51 AM)
My first home theater setup was a cheap sony 5.1 bluray player with 300w total output. Volume had to be 80 and above if I really want to enjoy the sound. After few years it started giving error push power protect if I use it for long hour sessions, dropping the volume to 60 something would solve the issue. It was like cpu throttling in pc whenever a temperature threshold is reached.

I believe nowadays speakers are made from better materials, 175w maybe sounds a bit low but it probably good enough to fill a small living room. But then asking 1.9k for it is ridiculous.
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QUOTE(tmc @ Oct 2 2022, 01:22 PM)
Yeah what you say is true. Also not all brands are honest about their spec, we hope it is a case of other brands overstated their spec, while Edifier understated their spec. We can get to the bottom of this by looking at a review. But then the Edifier has no review either.
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No brands are honest about specs because the entire market would simply cease to function.

Normal humans don't understand - sensitivity (dB) x wattage @ voltage x distance. It's easier to say "1000w total output" with no THD+N distortion value than say "1watt 95db @ 1.23v - 1meter 0.01% THD+N". Meaning it's also trivial to come up with bullshit numbers to bullshit potential non-savvy customers (which is the biggest portion of the AV industry market).

You won't find the info in majority of reviews either because most reviewers are/were not engineers.

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QUOTE(sanosizo @ Oct 2 2022, 10:51 AM)
My first home theater setup was a cheap sony 5.1 bluray player with 300w total output. Volume had to be 80 and above if I really want to enjoy the sound. After few years it started giving error push power protect if I use it for long hour sessions, dropping the volume to 60 something would solve the issue. It was like cpu throttling in pc whenever a temperature threshold is reached.

I believe nowadays speakers are made from better materials, 175w maybe sounds a bit low but it probably good enough to fill a small living room. But then asking 1.9k for it is ridiculous.
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I was concerned as well but let's see. The msrp is a little high though at 2.4k but they did offer it at 1.8k during payday last month. Now it seems to be around 2k. It was lacking DTS support though but I will only used it for streaming.

I actually ordered a set from Taobao few days ago and it was around 1.32k shipped via sea. I have forgotten about the import duty though. Let's hope they will close one eye.
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post Oct 11 2022, 09:55 AM

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Hi there- considering to have a soundbar to match the TV

need- not so much for AV/loud movie etc
more for crips sound, and play music/ochestra type
Casual listening.
it is at open living room

Considerng Bose 700 or 900, and many be Sonos too

or shall i get the simple 2 speak system?
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post Oct 14 2022, 12:51 PM

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My Edifier B70 (Malaysia version is B700) finally arrived.

Much cheaper than buying locally... RM1,317 including sea freight. Luckily no kena import duty.



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post Oct 15 2022, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Oct 14 2022, 12:51 PM)
My Edifier B70 (Malaysia version is B700) finally arrived.

Much cheaper than buying locally... RM1,317 including sea freight. Luckily no kena import duty.
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Tell us your quick experience.

Rm1317 that makes it the cheapest Dolby Atmos sound bar.
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post Oct 15 2022, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Oct 14 2022, 12:51 PM)
My Edifier B70 (Malaysia version is B700) finally arrived.

Much cheaper than buying locally... RM1,317 including sea freight. Luckily no kena import duty.
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If got issue how to claim warranty?
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post Oct 15 2022, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(tmc @ Oct 15 2022, 01:42 PM)
Rm1317 that makes it the cheapest Dolby Atmos sound bar.
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Creative Stage 360 cheapest
https://my.creative.com/p/speakers/creative-stage-360
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post Oct 16 2022, 03:53 AM

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QUOTE(tmc @ Oct 15 2022, 01:42 PM)
Tell us your quick experience.

Rm1317 that makes it the cheapest Dolby Atmos sound bar.
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I still havent registered for Netflix yet to try Dolby Atmos. I also never tried other soundbar before to give a good impression. I'm just going to compare it with what I'm using previously which is a set of Edifier S730 connected via a USB DAC.

The loudness is enough for me at 90% volume (seated 20ft away). The way it filled the living room is different compared to a 2.1 speaker. The subwoofer is okay at bass+3 but no match for the 150w S730 subwoofer. The good is that the subwoofer is not over powering, thus even playing (midnight) at 90% volume also didnt get complaints from wife upstairs.

If Edifier would add another 25-50w for the subwoofer, I think it would be even better. Even though the soundbar is listed as 7.1.2, the front L R Center driver are really small, almost like tweeter size. Perhaps that's what help with the clear vocals.

Overall, kinda satisfied with it since it only cost 1.1k++ and the rest are basically shipping charges.

QUOTE(sanosizo @ Oct 15 2022, 08:56 PM)
If got issue how to claim warranty?
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I don't really worry about product quality with Edifier.
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post Oct 16 2022, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Oct 16 2022, 03:53 AM)
I still havent registered for Netflix yet to try Dolby Atmos. I also never tried other soundbar before to give a good impression. I'm just going to compare it with what I'm using previously which is a set of Edifier S730 connected via a USB DAC.

The loudness is enough for me at 90% volume (seated 20ft away). The way it filled the living room is different compared to a 2.1 speaker. The subwoofer is okay at bass+3 but no match for the 150w S730 subwoofer. The good is that the subwoofer is not over powering, thus even playing (midnight) at 90% volume also didnt get complaints from wife upstairs.

If Edifier would add another 25-50w for the subwoofer, I think it would be even better. Even though the soundbar is listed as 7.1.2, the front L R Center driver are really small, almost like tweeter size. Perhaps that's what help with the clear vocals.

Overall, kinda satisfied with it since it only cost 1.1k++ and the rest are basically shipping charges.
I don't really worry about product quality with Edifier.
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Good review, it gives people a good feel of its capability but if there is comparison with another established brand, that will be excellent.
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Oct 14 2022, 12:51 PM)
My Edifier B70 (Malaysia version is B700) finally arrived.

Much cheaper than buying locally... RM1,317 including sea freight. Luckily no kena import duty.
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That cheap, two HDMI input 4k HDR passthrough ? How about center sound ? clear and loud ?
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post Oct 19 2022, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(wong_86 @ Oct 17 2022, 02:54 PM)
That cheap, two HDMI input 4k HDR passthrough ? How about center sound ? clear and loud ?
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It did mention hdmi 2.1 and also HDR pass through but there's no mention if one or both port support them.

Vocals is clear. I think soundbar characteristic tends to favor vocals since there's so many small driver. Having said that, my volume level is between 70~90% depending on content. Plus I'm seated 20ft away.
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Oct 19 2022, 01:41 PM)
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It did mention hdmi 2.1 and also HDR pass through but there's no mention if one or both port support them.

Vocals is clear. I think soundbar characteristic tends to favor vocals since there's so many small driver. Having said that, my volume level is between 70~90% depending on content. Plus I'm seated 20ft away.
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20 ft away ? You have a big house !

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