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post Nov 3 2013, 11:39 PM, updated 11y ago

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The submarine, named Kukoryu (Black Dragon) it is said to be state-of-the art and was built at a cost of 53.4 billion yen (US$540M) by Kawasaki Heavy Industries.

Adorned with several rising sun flags in both the regular national design and controversial war flag still used by the JMSDF, the Kukoryu sat on the slipway waiting to be launched.

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Then workers knocked out several blocks holding it in place and the 84-meter-long submarine surprisingly quickly yet smoothly slid backwards into the ocean. The JMSDF’s sixth submarine will remain docked in that area while the finishing touches are done on its interior.

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The name Kokuryu belongs to a mythical dragon that is said to protect the North in Japanese mythology as well as Chinese where its known as heilong. When all the work is completed, the submarine will be dispatched to either Yokosuka Base in Kanagawa Prefecture or Kure Base in Hiroshima Prefecture in March of next year.


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ww3 incoming...let's study japanese
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QUOTE(strikeuk @ Nov 3 2013, 11:40 PM)
ww3 incoming...let's study japanese
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new JAV take place inside submarine?? brows.gif
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post Nov 3 2013, 11:42 PM

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Still no match for the Chinese sub shenlong
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Kawasaki ke arah submarine dunia
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QUOTE(woopypooky @ Nov 3 2013, 11:42 PM)
Still no match for the Chinese sub shenlong
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When Malaysia going order this sub from Japan ?
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QUOTE(ironmaid89 @ Nov 3 2013, 11:56 PM)
When Malaysia going order this sub from Japan ?
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only can order the shell/kulit...no money for torpedo
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waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait aren't japs are forbidden from making subs according to previous treaty?
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Nov 3 2013, 11:59 PM)
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait aren't japs are forbidden from making subs according to previous treaty?
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Ruh roh. WW3 inkambing. Time to hide in my bunker with my collection of JAV. I'll help fight the japs, one shot at a time brows.gif
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QUOTE(ironmaid89 @ Nov 3 2013, 11:56 PM)
When Malaysia going order this sub from Japan ?
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The building cost (not including maintenance/logistics) is already twice that of the Scorpene. We sure kenot afford this. Plus, I think it's nuclear powered. Correct me if I'm wrong, militaryfags.
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QUOTE(ironmaid89 @ Nov 3 2013, 11:56 PM)
When Malaysia going order this sub from Japan ?
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Post-WWII treaty forbids japan to export most of it's manufactured arms.

Beside, japan stuff is known for it's crazy expensive price tag. No kidding
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Nov 3 2013, 11:59 PM)
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait aren't japs are forbidden from making subs according to previous treaty?
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Naval Disarmament Treaties.

The London Treaty of 1930. In 1930, a third conference in London brought together Britain, the United States, and Japan. This treaty established further limits on lighter classes of ships, including cruisers, destroyers, and submarines.

Destroyer tonnage was limited to 1500 standard tons per unit, except that 16% of the destroyer units of each could be flotilla leaders of up to 1850 standard tons. All were limited to 5" (127mm) guns. Britain and the United States could build to 150,000 total tons and Japan to 105,000 total tons, a ratio of 7:10. This was an increase from the 6:10 ratio for battleships from the Washington treaty but did not satisfy the Imperial Navy's Fleet Faction.

Submarines were limited to 2000 tons surface displacement and guns of not more than 5.25" (130mm), though torpedo size and numbers was oddly left unrestricted. The number of coastal submarines (defined as those displacing less than 600 tons) was unlimited, but oceangoing submarines (those from 600 to 2000 tons displacement) were limited to a total of 52,700 tons per power. The submarine limitation was particularly resented in Japan (quoted by Carpenter and Polmar 1986):

The Naval General Staff in Tokyo was enraged at this. Equality of submarine tonnage was totally unsatisfactory. Japan's war games had show that she needed an absolute minimum of 78,000 tons. A strength of 52,700 tons would leave her short by two squadrons of submarines — sixteen boats — of what her planners considered necessary to the strategy of attrition. The results of the London Conference were thus looked upon as having placed Japan's national defense in jeopardy.

Continuing resentment at the naval disarmament treaty structure led Japan to denounce the treaties in December 1934.

The London Treaty of 1936. A further conference in London in 1935-1936 was desultory, since Japan had already announced its withdrawal from the limitations system. The participating powers (U.S., Britain, and France) agreed to continue limiting displacement to 35,000 tons and to reduce maximum gun caliber to 14" (356mm). However, the treaty stipulated that the maximum gun caliber would revert to 16" if Japan did not ratify the treaty within a year, and maximum displacement would increase to 45,000 tons if any navy built a ship exceeding the 35,000 ton limit. Japan failed to ratify the treaty, and the major powers promptly began building up their navies. However, the first U.S. and Japanese battleships built during this new arms race did not commission until late 1941. The British were a little faster off the mark, commissioning their first new battleships in 1940, but at the cost of building these battleships with 14" rather than 16" guns.

The legacy of the naval disarmament treaties is difficult to interpret. The signatory powers abode by the terms of the treaties in reasonably good faith until the collapse of the treaty system in 1935, largely because this was in everyone's interest. The treaties prevented "a naval race no one really wanted" (Friedman 1985) between Britain and the United States at a time when the foreign interests of these two nations were becoming increasingly aligned. Although the United States clearly had the means to win a naval arms race, the cost would have been ruinous. On the other hand, resentment of the terms of the disarmament treaties was widespread in Japan and contributed to the rise of ultranationalism, and the restrictions on American fortifications in the Pacific left the Philippines and Guam dangerously vulnerable. On balance, the treaties benefit Japan, leaving her with naval supremacy in the Far East and making any execution of Plan ORANGE far more chancy.

The treaties proved a particular point of contention within the Japanese Navy. The principal Japanese naval representative at the conference, Kato Tomosaburo, believed that the Japanese Navy was a deterrent against any American aggression, not a force preparing for inevitable war, and believed that it was folly for Japan to try to match the United States in an arms race. However, Kato Kanji, who was appointed as naval aide to the elder Kato at the conference, was a militantly nationalist proponent of building the largest fleet possible.

Curiously, public opinion in the United States tended to view the naval disarmament treaties as evidence that tensions had already been reduced in the Pacific, rather than as a means to reducing tensions. As a result, the United States did not even build up its light forces to the treaty limits. The Japanese saw things rather differently, and began an intensive program of construction of light forces.

The cruiser displacement limit of 10,000 tons proved a particularly onerous limitation on ship design, and while no treaty power designed ships from the outset that violated the limit, most ended up with overweight ships. This was particularly true of the Japanese, who were thousands of tons over weight when the other powers were hundreds of tons over weight, and it became more true as Japan prepared to withdraw from the disarmament treaties. Evans and Peattie (1997) believe that the Japanese designers lacked the experience to achieve precisely the design displacement, but they also believe that the Navy General Staff made demands for additional weapons systems that they knew would push the designs over the limit.


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fucuk, japs got 16 subs in services

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%8Dry%C5%AB-class_submarine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyashio-class_submarine
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A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.

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QUOTE(ricstc @ Nov 4 2013, 12:33 AM)
Meanwhile in malaishia

A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.
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syukur la, at least bukan proton buat submarine ok. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kaizoku30 @ Nov 4 2013, 12:36 AM)
syukur la, at least bukan proton buat submarine ok. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Naqiudin @ Nov 3 2013, 11:48 PM)
Kawasaki ke arah submarine dunia
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those people in 1930s already make aircraft carrier.. brows.gif
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they just launched their izumo-class helicopter destroyer last few months. and china went butthurt and make a hoohaa about it because it looks a lot like an aircraft carrier (which japan is forbidden to have according to the treaty)

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So now they going attempt to broke the record 90 days submarine in deep water which current hold by China ?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Nov 4 2013, 12:38 AM)
those people in 1930s already make aircraft carrier..  brows.gif
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The Japanese made the best military hardware yo. Zero - Best Fighter. Yamato-class - Best Battleship. Unfortunately they didn't focus too much on carrier-based strategy which is why they failed to to do more damage to the Americans. Plus, the American Carriers weren't in Pearl Harbor when they came knocking, which is another reason they lost laugh.gif

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China is scared of the Japs. They know that if the Japanese weren't restrained by the US, they could easily beat anything that China could field (read: copy) and curb their bid for regional dominance. China wouldn't be able to expand militarily because they'd be too busy taking part in an arms race with Japan.

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QUOTE(ironmaid89 @ Nov 4 2013, 12:44 AM)
So now they going attempt to broke the record  90 days submarine in deep water which current hold by China  ?
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It's still a diesel-electric sub even with the aip generator sweat.gif
Only nuclear subs can hold that long
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The Zero was good because the plane had no armour plating, unlike the American's Hellcat. No armour....light weight thus can fly faster
Even if they hit the American carriers, American industrial might could easily replace them within 2 years or so. Japan could not do that after their carriers were sunk at Midway


QUOTE(red streak @ Nov 4 2013, 12:45 AM)
The Japanese made the best military hardware yo. Zero - Best Fighter. Yamato-class - Best Battleship. Unfortunately they didn't focus too much on carrier-based strategy which is why they failed to to do more damage to the Americans. Plus, the American Carriers weren't in Pearl Harbor when they came knocking, which is another reason they lost  laugh.gif



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Yeah jpn heavy industry do make good stuff if u afford to pay.

Few years ago toshiba heavy indrustry almost kena saction by US cause they sold a nice engine which chinese put in their sub. The engine virtually undetectable by US sonar...
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QUOTE(chamelion @ Nov 4 2013, 01:03 AM)
Yeah jpn heavy industry do make good stuff if u afford to pay.

Few years ago toshiba heavy indrustry almost kena saction by US cause they sold a nice engine which chinese put in their sub. The engine virtually undetectable by US sonar...
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Nov 3 2013, 11:59 PM)
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait aren't japs are forbidden from making subs according to previous treaty?
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Nope.. all under the pretext of selfdefence. Though, here a limit on how many they can built iinm

But who going to enforce? Russia dont bother, middle east is their focus now. US? also dont bother, if jap can built and it will make china irritated without them lifting a finger, why not?

China buthurt laugh.gif
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meh. still cant transfrom into mecha. i waiting japan.
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this is their sixth soryu-class submarine. they currently have 16 in total. planning to increase the total number to 22 or 24 by building more soryus.

QUOTE(chamelion @ Nov 4 2013, 01:03 AM)
Yeah jpn heavy industry do make good stuff if u afford to pay.

Few years ago toshiba heavy indrustry almost kena saction by US cause they sold a nice engine which chinese put in their sub. The engine virtually undetectable by US sonar...
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any source for that? would love to read it.

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made in japan
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QUOTE(kaizoku30 @ Nov 4 2013, 12:36 AM)
syukur la, at least bukan proton buat submarine ok. tongue.gif
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jgn pandang rendah proton ok

nanti boleh buat submarine dgn built in turbo
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still cheaper than ours.
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Nov 4 2013, 07:24 AM)
jgn pandang rendah proton ok

nanti boleh buat submarine dgn built in turbo
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the only submarine in world with built in turbo.
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QUOTE(andrewcha @ Nov 4 2013, 07:27 AM)
still cheaper than ours.
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Not even close mate, this baby cost even more than the dolphin-class submarine which can launch nukes warhead ($500 million) flex.gif
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Nov 4 2013, 07:24 AM)
jgn pandang rendah proton ok

nanti boleh buat submarine dgn built in turbo
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Nov 3 2013, 11:59 PM)
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait aren't japs are forbidden from making subs according to previous treaty?
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Thought they only forbidden to make offensive weapons like aircraft carriers? Defensive still Ok, no?
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Nov 4 2013, 08:13 AM)
Thought they only forbidden to make offensive weapons like aircraft carriers? Defensive still Ok, no?
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iinm both sub class are attack subs

still japs got balls for exploiting the treaty

in b4 WW3 inkambing
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PROTON pun boleh buat submarine + soft turbo
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The Australian Navy says it hopes to secure a deal that would allow it to rebuild its troubled Collins-class fleet with Japanese submarine technology.


http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/internati...e-fleet/1100366
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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Nov 4 2013, 05:22 PM)
The Australian Navy says it hopes to secure a deal that would allow it to rebuild its troubled Collins-class fleet with Japanese submarine technology.
http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/internati...e-fleet/1100366
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both soryu and collins class submarine got sweedish kokcums touch.
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Kokuryu hmm.gif

I thought black is kuro so it should be kuroryu
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is there any country playing orb treaties and principal?
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those design. very classy
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QUOTE(JonSpark @ Nov 4 2013, 05:36 PM)
Kokuryu hmm.gif

I thought black is kuro so it should be kuroryu
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Japan got plenty of slang and dialect. Kokuryu probably a kansai dialects
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look like https://www.google.com/search?q=whale+with+...bih=712&dpr=0.9
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The rising sun flag is so beautiful.
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meanwhile in merehsia "buy old submarine and kenot use for war for billions of ringgit dan jangan persoal saya"
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QUOTE(Mustadio @ Nov 3 2013, 11:39 PM)
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The submarine, named Kukoryu (Black Dragon) it is said to be state-of-the art and was built at a cost of 53.4 billion yen (US$540M) by Kawasaki Heavy Industries.

Adorned with several rising sun flags in both the regular national design and controversial war flag still used by the JMSDF, the Kukoryu sat on the slipway waiting to be launched.

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Then workers knocked out several blocks holding it in place and the 84-meter-long submarine surprisingly quickly yet smoothly slid backwards into the ocean. The JMSDF’s sixth submarine will remain docked in that area while the finishing touches are done on its interior.

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The name Kokuryu belongs to a mythical dragon that is said to protect the North in Japanese mythology as well as Chinese where its known as heilong. When all the work is completed, the submarine will be dispatched to either Yokosuka Base in Kanagawa Prefecture or Kure Base in Hiroshima Prefecture in March of next year.


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that FLAG reminds all ASIAN WW2 cry.gif
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QUOTE(ectt @ Nov 4 2013, 06:21 PM)
that FLAG reminds all ASIAN WW2 cry.gif
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It is, the use is of that flag still a controversy even today
It's considered offensive in South Korea and China, where it is considered to be associated with Japanese militarism and imperialism.

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QUOTE(HeLLonEarTH @ Nov 4 2013, 06:02 PM)
meanwhile in merehsia "buy old submarine and kenot use for war for billions of ringgit dan jangan persoal saya"
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aye is not old its brand new

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Nov 4 2013, 06:33 PM)
It is, the use is of that flag still a controversy even today
It's considered offensive in South Korea and China, where it is considered to be associated with Japanese militarism and imperialism.

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that flag supporters never regret and apologise for what they did in WW2 mad.gif
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QUOTE(HeLLonEarTH @ Nov 4 2013, 06:02 PM)
meanwhile in merehsia "buy old submarine and kenot use for war for billions of ringgit dan jangan persoal saya"
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Meanwhile in malaysia simply tembak facts without any checking.
Jangan persoal.
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QUOTE(HeLLonEarTH @ Nov 4 2013, 06:02 PM)
meanwhile in merehsia "buy old submarine and kenot use for war for billions of ringgit dan jangan persoal saya"
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apa kejadahnya Old Submarine....
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Nov 4 2013, 06:33 PM)
It is, the use is of that flag still a controversy even today
It's considered offensive in South Korea and China, where it is considered to be associated with Japanese militarism and imperialism.

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QUOTE(HeLLonEarTH @ Nov 4 2013, 06:02 PM)
meanwhile in merehsia "buy old submarine and kenot use for war for billions of ringgit dan jangan persoal saya"
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Prove us.... we bought old submarine. At least to me as the crew
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QUOTE(flyf @ Nov 4 2013, 05:38 PM)
Gundamu fag spotted
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UC Gundam...
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Nov 4 2013, 06:50 PM)
Meanwhile in malaysia simply tembak facts without any checking.
Jangan persoal.
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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Nov 4 2013, 06:56 PM)
apa kejadahnya Old Submarine....
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Nov 4 2013, 07:01 PM)
Prove us.... we bought old submarine. At least to me as the crew
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kadang-kadang sesetengah serf yang kurang fasih tentang perihal ketenteraan memang perangai macam itu laugh.gif
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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Nov 4 2013, 06:47 AM)
made in japan
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high class quality.
i dont mind paying premium of +-30% for CBU Japan.
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Nov 4 2013, 07:01 PM)
Prove us.... we bought old submarine. At least to me as the crew
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that one they make sub museum in melaka? hmm.gif


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QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Nov 4 2013, 07:40 PM)
that one they make sub museum in melaka?  hmm.gif
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Training sub, we got it for freeeeeee~
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QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Nov 4 2013, 07:40 PM)
that one they make sub museum in melaka?  hmm.gif
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lol that museum only

not for real operation use

lol lol lol lol lol
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Nov 4 2013, 07:12 PM)
kadang-kadang sesetengah serf yang kurang fasih tentang perihal ketenteraan memang perangai macam itu laugh.gif
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Thats why I am so worried with these kind of people.... skali kluar citer, terus pecaya bulat2. Padahal tgh depan internet tu.... pi la google nk dptkan kesahihan. Citer x leh selam sampai skarng ade lg. Tp x pe tu part of psyops.... for enemy to believe we cannot dive
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Nov 4 2013, 07:43 PM)
Thats why I am so worried with these kind of people.... skali kluar citer, terus pecaya bulat2. Padahal tgh depan internet tu.... pi la google nk dptkan kesahihan.  Citer x leh selam sampai skarng ade lg. Tp x pe tu part of psyops.... for enemy to believe we cannot dive
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kalau aku dah lama kena chop bodoh bahalul

sebab tu sebelum tibai anything pasal military aku selalu tunjuk kat kawan majalah atau article sahih

kadang2 aku selalu gak troll macam PR laugh.gif
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QUOTE(win7 @ Nov 3 2013, 11:41 PM)
new JAV take place inside submarine?? brows.gif
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how does story line would be?sulking captain wont start the subamarine unless brows.gif
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Im not pro govn or against PR.... sape yg bayar gaji aku sokong je. Its stated in the armed forces regulation... taat dan setia pada kerajaan yg memerintah. So klu sape2 pun perintah taat je. Syukur malaysia x mcm certain2 negara... military yg control. Kita ni ATM cuma taat je
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Pas tu sibuk... my tax paying money la.... ingt ATM x byr tax ka?? Aku punye kt 200 sebln kira byk la tu.... ade yg x penah byr sibuk bising... saje troll...
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Nov 4 2013, 08:01 PM)
Pas tu sibuk... my tax paying money la.... ingt ATM x byr tax ka?? Aku punye kt 200 sebln kira byk la tu.... ade yg x penah byr sibuk bising... saje troll...
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yang tak bayar sebab belum habis sekolah lagi pun whistling.gif
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Nov 4 2013, 08:02 PM)
yang tak bayar sebab belum habis sekolah lagi pun whistling.gif
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Hahaha.....
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Nov 4 2013, 08:32 PM)
Hahaha.....
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makan diorang tanggung

handphone diorang tanggung

pergi mana diorang tanggung

basuh baju diorang tanggung

memang hidup tidak pernah rasa buat kerja harian yang amat senang

yang diangap susah

belum kerja dah bising kereta apa nak beli

budak-budak zaman sekarang
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Nov 4 2013, 05:16 PM)
iinm both sub class are attack subs

still japs got balls for exploiting the treaty

in b4 WW3 inkambing
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wow, this thread got jepunis translation

http://sow.blog.jp/archives/1644725.html

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