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 Shall we have a diet/workout post?, To Help Each Other.

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jamis
post Dec 3 2008, 09:27 AM

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Thx 4Ring, the diet recipe they have given in the anabolic diet is awesome, i was looking for those food lol. thanks alot bro.

ur preworkout now is ur breakfast too ?blink.gif tats great, i m a carbs eatter for preworkout, it seems like it save alot of space for carbs thou hehe. I will try to reduce my carbs for preworkout, hope i wont get winded. hehe
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post Dec 12 2008, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(dornfd @ Dec 11 2008, 08:41 PM)
My current
weight : 68kg
height : 174cm

My Daily Meal

Breakfast
1 cup of 350ml Soy Milk
4 eggs exclude yolk
1 tomato
Lunch
Economic Rice ( Vege, Meat or Fish with half plate of rice )
1 Plain water
Tea time
Biscuit
Pre workout
Banana
1 scoop of whey protein shaker
Post workout
1 scoop of Whey Protein shaker
Dinner
Rice with vege and meat
1 Plain water

My workout :  4 times per week

any comment or recommendation ?
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-Personally i dont think banana is a good preworkout meal thou leave ur banana as ur postworkout.
-dinner, y not jus lots of meat and vege and no rice?
-how about ur prebed meal?

For me i love to have complex carbs meal for preworkout to boost my energy and get rid of my laziness but i m not sure if those r psycological or biological, so...... just do watever i feel right atm hehe.
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post Dec 12 2008, 06:20 PM

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the reason why i suggest for not taking the banana for preworkout is that, banana itself is cosider a hi GI food and it make slow down or make u tire during the training, yeap the fibre and potasium in it is awesome, i took it as my breakfast. Anyway, trial and error.

The purpose for prebed is u wan to sustain the protein availability throughout the night, Milk contain of Casein which claimed to be a slow release protein (can last ard 6-8hrs) so.... milk may be the best choice, but wat i concern about it is the carbs contain in it, tats y i took meat for pre bed. However, if u have extra money to spend with just get a tube of casein, low carbs high protein, save the work. hehe but i m financially tight. so stil chicken as prebed tongue.gif.
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post Dec 15 2008, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Dec 14 2008, 12:10 AM)
Hi GI food is good for pre-workout....I feel more energetic than slowing down or tiring during workouts.
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hehe, dunno, may be is individual, last two days i try to deload my carbs intake to 50g a day and today i went to gym, feels like no energy... sweat.gif got to reload it tmr. hehe




Diabetes is insulin spike til the body get frustrated and stop producing insulin. So call him only if u need him, if u owas give false alarm, u will end up like the kid on the mountain who keep faking there are wolfs comming. lol

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post Jan 8 2009, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Dec 16 2008, 10:00 PM)
As for me, for weekdays, I will try to eat as clean as possible. On the weekend only will eat all those junk I like. But I couldn't resist. after weight training 1 hour plus I sure eat alot of junk. Teh Ais, Maggi Goreng, Ayam goreng Paha, Telur mata 2 biji. I think near 1000 kcal of calories ?
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tats ur post workout meal, not bad hehe. I preworkout meal can be quite nasty sometime, maggi goreng wif 2 ketuk ayam, feel like adding eggs nex time. but aftall it all use up in the gym. for weekend, i prefer eatting carbs < 100g, and if possible lower than 50g. Tats make me lose quite a number of fat in 3weeks thou. tongue.gif
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post Jan 8 2009, 02:28 PM

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icic, i m taking glocose polymer from 4rings, so far so good but sat and sun i control to the max compared to weekdays (i train from mon to fri), and it really shows diff ..but last 2 weeks my diet screw up like wat, stupid christmas and new year ><
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post Jan 10 2009, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(mrPOTATO @ Jan 9 2009, 09:41 AM)
Hi jamis. I am using carbohydrate from maize starch (primaforce carb slam) to add to whey after workout. Is it same if i switch to glucose polymer ? I am running out of carb so i'm looking for anything that might be cheaper.
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Hi mr potato, all the carbs are the same dont really need to be tat percise on what carbs are we eatting thou. However, it is recommended if u r consuming high GI carbs, glucolin can do the job, however polymer glucose tat i got to 4rings is just for my own convenient since he is selling cheap for getting 3 big bags, and compare to glucolin it is ard the same price but i dun need to rush to the supermarker event 3-4 weeks hehe. By the way, within 30min post workout u can even consume rice,honey or whatever carbs can make up of ur bodyweight in pound x 0.25.
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post Jan 11 2009, 04:22 PM

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I think this article fits here. This is posted by Pro Tom Prince from bb.com, he is a pro bodybuilder and see wats he is going to talk about clean diet and bulking.

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HOCH: There's a HUGE, GIGANTIC aspect of contest dieting that obviously hasn't occurred to you. Very common mistake.. so it's no big deal, certainly.

You need to start, from a certain mindset. Once you do, it'll change your diet almost instantly.

A CONTEST DIET, IS NOT MEANT TO LAST PAST THE DAY OF THE COMPETITION.

Why? Because if you truly get "in shape", which is 3-4% bodyfat, there's NO way you can maintain that for any real amount of time. Yes, we maintain it for photo shoots, another contest 2 weeks later, etc., but as soon a we're done with all that's required, the diet ENDS.

You've seen guys the minute a show is over: The eat for 3 weeks straight, and gain 30 pounds that first week.

You're right, a cutting diet should be precise. But you're not competing. There's no way in hell things need to be that precise. NONE. A "contest diet" isn't meant for non-competitors to just "get a little leaner to look good for the chicks", or "because I want to lose 2% bodyfat cuz' my last bulking phase made me a little chuncky."

I'm going to give you a piece of advice that took me 10 years to figure out for myself: From ages 18-28, I used to eat every meal at EXACTLY every 2 1/2 hours. No matter what. I wouldn't go to the movies if it was during a meal. The world halted so that I could eat at the 2 1/2 hour mark. I'd plan my workouts, around what time I had to eat. If I had a college class, I'd make sure my meals fit around class time. I was anal rententive as HELL about this.

On top of all that, I ate PERFECTLY, year-round. Egg whites and Oatmeal for breakfast, tuna and rice, or chicken and rice, for the next 4 meals. I did that for 7-8 YEARS. Saturday's I let myself have one cheat meal, but that was all.

At 28, after I had already turned pro, I was having a long talk with Chad Nicholls about off-season training and nutrition, I had been 278-280 uin the off-season for the past 3 years. That's a really long time to have your weight plateau. So, I told Chad how I was eating.. very proud of how perfectly I ate all year round.

Chad laughed at me. "No wonder you're still 280. You know what Kim ate today (his wife, Ms. Olympia Kim Chizevsky)?" Pizza, hamburgers, homemade apple pie and ice cream that my mom made. And she eats like that every DAY in the off-season."

"Yeah, but Kim is lean all year round", I responded. "My bodyfat was 11% at the time, at 280. I didn't want to add fat!"

Chad laughed again. "Go eat what you want. It doesn't matter."

6 months after this conversation, for the first time, I broke 300 pounds. MY bodyfat? 9.5% Ever since that day, I eat when I'm hungry (be it every 2 hours, 3 hours, 4 1/2 hours.. who cares how long?). If I miss a meal, so what? And HALF my food, is restraunt food. (This was for the first 6 years of being a pro.. not the past off-season). It took a few weeks to get used to this, but once I did, I could feel my metabolism speed up almost instantly, and I got stronger than ever.

What I learned: Your body has a set point, fat-wise, that it wants to be at. For your best muscle growth, you need FOOD. If you're constantly restricting calories, your fighting your own body, and keeping it from growing. I was slowing my metabolism down so much by restricting calories, that I was actually keeping my bodyfat % HIGHER.

The other thing, is that it takes YEARS and YEARS to gain the mass needed to compete. Dieting, and getting leaner, takes WEEKS. Concentrate on the YEARS part, first. The diet will come AFTER the physique is built.
Reference: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=235335
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post Jan 12 2009, 12:05 PM

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take nuts instead of bread if u r worried about carbs wink.gif
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post Jan 12 2009, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jan 12 2009, 01:30 PM)
There's no problem eating carb as long dont over eat at 1 time. About the olive oil ? is it ok to cook with olive oil ? I read somewhere in this forum saying overheat of olive oil become poison to us.
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Not poison doh.gif doh.gif

But have a read about this fact, it sounds awesome.

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Olive oil is a great oil for cooking.  Strong flavored olive oils can be used for frying fish or other strong flavored ingredients.  A mellow late harvest Mission variety oil could be used in baking a cake.  Olive oil has a high smoke point, 410 degrees F,  and doesn't degrade as quickly as many other oils do with repeated high heating.  Use a variety of healthy vegetable oils when preparing food and incorporate a good extra virgin olive oil when you want its health benefits and wonderful Mediterranean flavor.

There are some myths which have recently circulated about olive oil which we are constantly answering via email and our newsletter. Olive oil has been used for thousands of years and is one of the cornerstones of the healthy Mediterranean diet.

Click here for a more scholarly discussion of storage and rancidity

Olive Oil Myth:  Olive oil loses its benefits when heated

The Facts: Excessively heating olive oil will evaporate the alcohols and esters which make up its delicate taste and fragrance. Heating olive oil will not change its health aspects, only the flavor. Use a cheaper olive oil which doesn't have much flavor to begin with if you want to fry with it, add a more flavorful olive oil after cooking or at the table.

Olive Oil Myth: Heating a cooking oil will make it saturated or a trans-fatty oil.

The Facts: As far as making a saturated fat, according to Dr. A. Kiritsakis, a world renowned oil chemist in Athens, (Book - OLIVE OIL FROM THE TREE TO THE TABLE -Second edition 1998), all oils will oxidize and hydrogenate to a tiny degree if repeatedly heated to very high temperatures such as is done in commercial frying operations. Olive pomace oil and virgin olive oil are both highly monounsaturated oils and therefore resistant to oxidation and hydrogenation. Studies have shown oxidation and hydrogenation occurs to a lesser degree in olive oil than in other oils.  But in any case, the amount of hydrogenation is miniscule and no home cook would ever experience this problem.

The large refinery-like factories which take unsaturated vegetable oil and turn it into margarine or vegetable lard do so by bubbling hydrogen gas through 250 to 400 degree hot vegetable oil in the presence of a metal catalyst, usually nickel or platinum.  The process can take several hours. You cannot make a saturated product like margarine at home by heating olive oil or any other vegetable oil in a pan. We don't know where this weird notion has come from.  For more see our olive oil chemistry page
Reference : http://www.oliveoilsource.com/cooking_olive_oil.htm


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post Jan 16 2009, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(mofonyx @ Jan 15 2009, 06:48 PM)
posted the same thing in darkie's thread asking for advice on my food.

Anyway, my weight is 77 - 78 usually. I've never hit 80kg (not yet). Height is about 183cm.

I measure my rice before I cook.
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dude we r about the same height hehe. i consume about the same amt of cals tat u have there but i m 91kg :s lol. I still finding ways to add in my cals, eatting in the office is just too troublesome.
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post Jan 17 2009, 12:21 PM

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dude, mix ur creatine with ur postworkout shake and make sure ur pwo shake consist of carbs too tats benefit the body by absorbing the creatine into ur body. and i bet 7.30 is ur preworkout?? and the 4.00 can add in some more calories liek peanut butter or some other food.
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post Feb 4 2009, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jan 26 2009, 05:24 PM)
I think it's ok. Some even suggest 3:1 glucose:protein. After drink 2:1 glucose :protein It will make me not be shaking too much lol. I read somewhere that you lose 90% of your muscle glycogen after an intense weight training.
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2:1 is actually average. normally i do 0.25 x my bodyweight in lbs.
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post Mar 10 2009, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(mofonyx @ Mar 10 2009, 06:51 AM)
LoL. Where did you get this idea from?
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i bet tats from email. I received the same thing 2.
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QUOTE(FeeD @ Apr 2 2009, 11:30 PM)
if i want a firmer and musscle visible body, but i dont want to get big or add any size..

what should my diet be?
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Just bulk up first.

QUOTE(muamua @ Apr 6 2009, 08:56 AM)
i juz wanna ask bout eating b4 workout... i heard some of my fwen said that, its recommended to eat 1 breast of chicken 1/2 - 1 hour b4 go the gym... is this ok???...
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Buddy u should have lookup on the sticky "why are u not growing", all the information u need is there.

Anyway, since i have been tricked by my customer to come to their site and doing nothing here, might as well just find sumthing better to do tongue.gif

Well ur preworkout basically should consume some complex carbs plus protein to sustain ur training. The reason why chicken breast or any oth meat is recommend is that the amount of protein within it is sufficient for a single meal (tats just part of ur 6 meals) and each 100g of chicken i think it consist of 20g of protein (forgot about the exact number). so if let say, i m a 180lbs person, and each meal i need to consume at least 30g of protien (180 / 6meals) so 150 -200 g of chicken is a definately a good choice. For the complex carb is basically for ur energy. However, personally i had tried to avoid carbs for preworkout and replace it with high fibre (my carbs should be ard 10-20g only) , it somehow works the same to me thou.

So for ur preworkout u got to have a mixture of nutrition to sustain ur 45mins to 1 hr training.

SO for ur postworkout, if u r bulking, i would definately advise u to take simple carbs and protein. Protein - same reason, recovery. SIMPLE carbs?? tats for insulin spike to prevent catabolism (muscle breakdown, muscle become small) so again consume about 30-40g of simple carbs. U can get simple carbs from glucose, glucose polymer, banana and etc)

So protein shake is not a must but if u r lazy to cook those chicken or eggs, u can take those supplement, and whey protein is good for that.
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post Apr 8 2009, 08:18 PM

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Balance diet... erm i only know my daily diet .... just as long as it fulfil my macro and micro nutri.

Macro
-Carbs - 200g a day max
-Protein - 1 g to per pound of ur bodyweight
-Fat - From fish oil, nuts and etc

Micro
-Vit C
-Vit E
-Multivits and mineral

Oh ya i count calories too.

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jun 13 2009, 07:10 AM)
it is said KFC use trans fat to try their chicken. trans fat is dangerous to us. better choose other alternative besides KFC
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just peel off the delicious skin and eat the meat only hehe. Tats wat i do.
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post Aug 12 2009, 09:48 AM

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i tasted the myoplex before, the artificial choco taste extra artificial..i dont know how to explain it.
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post Sep 24 2009, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(ee7han @ Aug 28 2009, 01:59 AM)
what can i add to my protein shake?
I'm taking 100% ON Vanilla Ice Cream.. and the taste really make me feel like puking.. what can i add in? (for pre-workout)
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How about some choco milk drool.gif
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post Sep 30 2009, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(billytong @ Sep 25 2009, 11:27 AM)
Is there a way to use Gym to reduce tummy size? Which one of the training is the best result for that?
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Yes u can go to gym and exercise and take care of ur diet to reduce ur overall body fat. There is no way for u to reduce fat on a particular area, if u wan to lose it? u got to lose it all.

If u r into weight training, make sure squat and deadlift is in ur program.

or else u can do HIIT.

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