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 Fundsupermart.com v5, Manage your own unit trust portfolio

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SUSPink Spider
post Dec 2 2013, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 2 2013, 01:25 PM)
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Consider Constructing A Balanced Portfolio Over Balanced Funds
how one of our model portfolios can make a good alternative to investing in balanced funds.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...?articleNo=7416
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E.g. if u like OSK-UOB KidSave, u can construct your own "KidSave" by combo OSK-UOB Income Fund (0% SC, 0% platform fee bond fund) with OSK-UOB Equity Trust icon_idea.gif

Effectively u are getting a "balanced" fund at 1% SC FOREVER drool.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Dec 2 2013, 01:30 PM
SUSPink Spider
post Dec 2 2013, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 2 2013, 01:27 PM)
oops, not FSM though...
u know lah..my other CIS..
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HwangIM tongue.gif
SUSPink Spider
post Dec 2 2013, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 2 2013, 01:35 PM)
hmm.gif Never thought of that,
Kaka23,...if you want to go into Balanced.....consider this route?
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I already preached about this "route" many times... doh.gif

With HwangIM, u can combo Hwang Select Bond with Hwang Select Opportunity to create your own "Hwang Select Balanced"
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post Dec 2 2013, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 2 2013, 01:47 PM)
hmm.gif with this combo, got SC saving?
HSBF 2%
HSOF 2%
HAiiIncPlus 0%
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"Normal" SC (cos FSM not selling Select Bond liao)
Select Bond 2%
Select Opp 5.5%
Effectively (2% + 5.5%)/2=3.75%

Select Balanced 5.5%

U say leh tongue.gif
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post Dec 2 2013, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 2 2013, 04:31 PM)
Anybody top up for the Hwang Ponzi and its bigger brother fund today?
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Since it is the Christmas month and we grateful for your participation , we have decided to run a promotional sales charge of 1% sales charge on both funds from 2 December 2013 till 31 December 2013.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=4116

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SUSPink Spider
post Dec 2 2013, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 2 2013, 05:01 PM)
Then why do the LIKE thing? doh.gif
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Raise awareness laugh.gif
SUSPink Spider
post Dec 2 2013, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Dec 2 2013, 05:38 PM)
I would be tempted back then. But now prefer to invest directly in shares. Unless a big correction then I will top up.
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Share with me your shopping list notworthy.gif

I got nothing to buy already...top up also not worth cos price went up too fast cry.gif
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post Dec 3 2013, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Dec 3 2013, 01:18 PM)
A few is under my watch list. DIGI, MAYBANK.. the usuals.

Share with me your shopping list also  biggrin.gif
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Digi, Daibochi, Tien Wah and UMW. Waiting lower entry...or should I not wait? hmm.gif
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post Dec 3 2013, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Dec 3 2013, 03:49 PM)
I suggest taking a close look at the following sectors, OnG, Plantation and Utility counter. Construction, well it depends on how you look at it.

Wait or not, each to their own  nod.gif
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O&G? UMW Corp got O&G play lo...

Plantation I dunno research...utility...TNB DY sucks leh...

Consturction...I work in construction, hate this sector tongue.gif
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post Dec 3 2013, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Dec 3 2013, 04:01 PM)
Give me a hint here. Small/big construction company? GLC/non GLC?  whistling.gif

TNB can benefit from the power tariff hike  smile.gif
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Formerly listed. Doing mainly infra works. Most of the contracts are from gomen. rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 4 2013, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Dec 4 2013, 02:18 PM)
Why is this fund called Ponzi fund?
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Just a nickname, cos previously this fund just kept going up up up down up up down up up up up down up up up

But that winning streak got broken already tongue.gif
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post Dec 4 2013, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Dec 4 2013, 03:22 PM)
Is it a good time to buy into this Ponzi fund given the price is very high at the moment. But the good thing is there is a promotion 1% for SC...
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don't tell me "price is high" sh*t. See post #1 and READ THOROUGHLY
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post Dec 4 2013, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Dec 4 2013, 04:46 PM)
Rough day?
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no lar. but tired of this question on UT
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post Dec 5 2013, 01:49 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Dec 4 2013, 10:25 PM)
I just read the first page as pointed out by pink spider. That seems rather academic, not much value in practice.

To me , what's important is the practical aspects.

I say the price is important. Dividend too.

Because end of the day, when we cash out, it is the dividend collected and the proceeds that we get that counts.

For the same UT, say Pink Spider bought at RM0.55 and i bought it at RM0.45, i say yes i got it cheaper! Pink spider is pissed off with this "cheaper" remark.

Why is price important?? Becos at RM0.55 for RM100k, PS only got 181,818 units, whereas at the cheaper price of RM0.45 i got  222,222 units.

End of the day when you redeem it is the number of units that you have and again the PRICE that you sell plus the dividend that you have got, that add up to your proceed.
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YOU STILL DON'T GET IT.


U gave me RM1M to invest. I opened a fund called ABC Growth Fund. I issued 1M units of shares to u. U own 100% of ABC Growth Fund now. NAV of the fund is now RM1.0000 per unit.

I took the RM1M and bought a bungalow.

1 year later property prices kaboom-ed, the bungalow is only worth RM800K. I sold it off. Now ABC Growth hold RM800K cash, NAV price is RM0.8000.

Then I bought a high class luxury condo with that RM800K. But property valuers all say that condo actually only worth RM600K, property speculators goreng-up up the price. Condo market is about to kaboom next.

Mr Smarty sees that ABC Growth Fund NAV price now RM0.8000, he says that it is "cheap", it's a GREAT TIME to invest in the fund i.e. buy over some shares from u.

Who wanna slap Mr Smarty?

And I lazy to elaborate more on dividends, if u still stubborn and think that u are right, so be it.

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Dec 5 2013, 01:51 AM
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post Dec 5 2013, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Dec 5 2013, 09:29 AM)
i think i get what you guys mean.
Between 2 different funds, we definitely can't say one is cheaper than another, yes i agree .
Distribution or split makes it cheaper - yes i agree too, but you know that is not what i was referring to.


What i was referring to in on one same UT itself and referring to the 'normal' price fluctuations unrelated to any significant underlying changes within the fund itself.

Example:
After you guys experts have chosen that fund to invest and you guys bought it at price say RM1.2876, and when the price goes down to RM1.2545, isn't this considered "cheaper" and i take it as good deal to grab now?

I mean this:  Hwang Select Asia Ex Jap Quantum fund was 1.2876 on Oct 21 and now it is 1.2545.
Is this not cheaper ?

Thanks for all the comments, i know you guys are trying to help, dont take this as challenging your authority........., i can see you are all  investment experts, very well read.
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EVEN IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT ONE FUND, NAV price comparison of today vs 1 month ago or even 1 year ago is meaningless.

Go digest my previous post again.
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post Dec 5 2013, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 5 2013, 12:45 PM)
hmm.gif for ease of discussion, if assuming "no dividend" were issued, just plain NAV movement...then the "BLUE-ED" really make me  rclxub.gif
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Unker Looi, re-read my bungalow condo analogy above
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post Dec 5 2013, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Dec 5 2013, 01:49 PM)
Yeah that is what i mean.

Cheaper price already qualified as  UNRELATED to any significant underlying changes (eg dividend pay out, distribution, split...)within the fund itself.

Pink Spider should answer on specific example given there, rather than say go digest this and that.

The question is specific. Cheaper or not?

Hwang Select Asia Ex Jap Quantum fund is the specific example i used. It was RM1.2876 on Oct 21 and now I bought it at RM1.2545.

I take it that this is cheaper and now a better buy.

Pink Spider is telling us, NO, the lower price  is not actually cheaper, it is meaningless? That means buying it  1 month ago at RM1.2876 is just the same like buying it now at RM1.2545??.  Is this correct?
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I REPEAT AGAIN

A fund is a fund, it holds many different stocks. E.g. today the fund have Maybank, CIMB, Nestle and Digi. NAV price of the fund is RM1.0000.

Next month, it has Maybank, CIMB, Dutch Lady and Maxis. NAV price of the fund is RM0.9000.

Can u say it is "cheap" to top up now? Yes and no, A LOT OTHER FACTORS TO CONSIDER.

The fund could have dumped Nestle at a (huge) loss, and bought Dutch Lady when it is trading quite high. So, IT IS NOT CHEAP TO TOP UP NOW.

SUMMARY - NAV PRICE IS MEANINGLESS WITHOUT REFERENCE TO THE UNDERLYING HOLDINGS

NAV price behaves very differently to price of a stock of a listed company.

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Dec 5 2013, 01:57 PM
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post Dec 5 2013, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Dec 5 2013, 01:56 PM)
A bought it at RM1.00 and got 1000 units. After split he got double , 1000 units become 2000 units.

Now the price drop to Rm0.50, using the same amount of money to buy, i got 2000 units, just the same as A.

Cheaper so what? any extra units you get?
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1,000 pieces of RM1 note
2,000 50 sen coins

Got difference?

That's unit trust for u.

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post Dec 5 2013, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Dec 5 2013, 02:07 PM)
your point is well taken. So you are telling me when the price drops it ?MUST be something significant happening inside . No such thing as 'normal fluctuation'?

What I am asking is:
WHAT IF nothing significant happened and the price drops? like in  Hwang Select Quantum Fund when it drops from RM1.2876 to RM1.2545?  This is also NOT Cheaper and NOT a better buy?
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There is no way for u to find out whether it is "normal fluctuation" (stock prices went up or down) or "something significant" (e.g. the Fund Manager sold and bought some new stocks) happened. You may be an investor of the fund but the Fund Manager is not obliged to explain and/or disclose each and every investment decisions he made. You can only make a wild guess based on:
(1) fact sheets
(2) general market movement e.g. FBM100 index

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Dec 5 2013, 02:20 PM
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post Dec 10 2013, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 5 2013, 09:35 PM)
I got this after login to FSM just now....
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Had first taste of this yesterday, good for HLB users, now can get same day transaction if done before 3PM (previously can only transact on next business day) rclxms.gif

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