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TMnet & Youtube speed discussion
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TSdarrenliew96
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Oct 27 2013, 08:58 AM, updated 13y ago
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QUOTE(asellus @ Oct 27 2013, 08:50 AM) The then IPv6 routing isn't really efficient then, just like for Facebook and Yahoo. That's why streaming videos from Facebook isn't really smooth here. Very few IPv6 websites in US can be connected via non-HE transit, sees only C&W, Cogent and Atrato (EU). Can someone confirm Google Youtube streaming is under AIMS@raja chulan?
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asellus
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Oct 27 2013, 09:00 AM
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#gompusas
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QUOTE(darrenliew96 @ Oct 27 2013, 08:58 AM) Can someone confirm Google Youtube streaming is under AIMS@raja chulan? Google has their CDN within Malaysia. And it isn't located only in KL but other cities in Peninsular too like Penang and JB.
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TSdarrenliew96
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Oct 27 2013, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE(asellus @ Oct 27 2013, 09:00 AM) Google has their CDN within Malaysia. And it isn't located only in KL but other cities in Peninsular too like Penang and JB. This is google peering data. http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=15169In Malaysia they uses AIMS to deliver local content. I am wondering if this really the root cause of youtube slowdown.
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asellus
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Oct 27 2013, 09:29 AM
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#gompusas
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QUOTE(darrenliew96 @ Oct 27 2013, 09:15 AM) This is google peering data. http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=15169In Malaysia they uses AIMS to deliver local content. I am wondering if this really the root cause of youtube slowdown. Google peers directly with TM (you can do a traceroute), that link only states where in Malaysia Google peering point is located. Well, TM and google do not have exactly a peering agreement, but more likely the latter has put a local CDN within the TM network.
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TSdarrenliew96
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Oct 27 2013, 09:34 AM
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QUOTE(asellus @ Oct 27 2013, 09:29 AM) Google peers directly with TM (you can do a traceroute), that link only states where in Malaysia Google peering point is located. Well, TM and google do not have exactly a peering agreement, but more likely the latter has put a local CDN within the TM network. So you are telling me that those other internet provider have peering policy with google thus they have no slowdown in youtube streaming? While TM doesn't have one thus puting a local CDN and control all bandwidth of youtube streaming?
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asellus
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Oct 27 2013, 11:54 AM
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#gompusas
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QUOTE(darrenliew96 @ Oct 27 2013, 09:34 AM) So you are telling me that those other internet provider have peering policy with google thus they have no slowdown in youtube streaming? While TM doesn't have one thus puting a local CDN and control all bandwidth of youtube streaming? The CDN is put there by Google. Almost all other ISPs also do the same thing. If TM only peers with Google, TM will have to pay Google a lot of money because of unbalanced traffic direction.
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TSdarrenliew96
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Oct 27 2013, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(asellus @ Oct 27 2013, 11:54 AM) The CDN is put there by Google. Almost all other ISPs also do the same thing. If TM only peers with Google, TM will have to pay Google a lot of money because of unbalanced traffic direction. So TM didn't pay to google? Then how to explain slowdown in youtube? Is it the CDN peers by own TM? Celcom Pay to google?
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asellus
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Oct 27 2013, 01:57 PM
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#gompusas
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QUOTE(darrenliew96 @ Oct 27 2013, 01:34 PM) So TM didn't pay to google? Then how to explain slowdown in youtube? Is it the CDN peers by own TM? Celcom Pay to google? I don't think TM pays to Google, in fact I suspect is was the other way around. The CDN servers are owned by Google. It works the way Netflix OpenConnect servers does. No peering, only CDN.
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TSdarrenliew96
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Oct 27 2013, 02:03 PM
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Then how come the youtube speed so slow. It's clearly shown that the streaming had been throttled to 40-50kb/s. The speed become normal at 1 am to 11 am Google did that? Or TM?
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asellus
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Oct 27 2013, 02:58 PM
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#gompusas
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QUOTE(darrenliew96 @ Oct 27 2013, 02:03 PM) Then how come the youtube speed so slow. It's clearly shown that the streaming had been throttled to 40-50kb/s. The speed become normal at 1 am to 11 am Google did that? Or TM? Highly likely the problem lies with the CDN servers itself. Therefore Google problem.
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TSdarrenliew96
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Oct 27 2013, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(asellus @ Oct 27 2013, 02:58 PM) Highly likely the problem lies with the CDN servers itself. Therefore Google problem. Google limit speed? First time hearing it
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asellus
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Oct 27 2013, 03:24 PM
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#gompusas
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QUOTE(darrenliew96 @ Oct 27 2013, 03:19 PM) Google limit speed? First time hearing it  I don;t think Google do it with purpose though. It is common knowledge their kul* CDN has capacity problems.
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Alpha Wolf
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Oct 27 2013, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(darrenliew96 @ Oct 27 2013, 03:19 PM) Google limit speed? First time hearing it  My youtube speeds are fine: CODE timestamp seconds 34.781 854x480, 0 average kbps, 100% volume TagStreamPlayer, HTTP, 4378 kbps 10 stage fps, 25 video fps, 1 dropped, 0 kbps accelerated video rendering, software video decoding NaN db, 1 audio factor
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asellus
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Oct 27 2013, 03:28 PM
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#gompusas
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QUOTE(Alpha Wolf @ Oct 27 2013, 03:26 PM) My youtube speeds are fine: CODE timestamp seconds 34.781 854x480, 0 average kbps, 100% volume TagStreamPlayer, HTTP, 4378 kbps 10 stage fps, 25 video fps, 1 dropped, 0 kbps accelerated video rendering, software video decoding NaN db, 1 audio factor If you access YouTube via IPv6, the speed seems to be OK. It is the IPv4 YouTube that has problems, where people has to refresh the Youtube page just to get good speed.
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Alpha Wolf
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Oct 27 2013, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE(asellus @ Oct 27 2013, 03:28 PM) If you access YouTube via IPv6, the speed seems to be OK. It is the IPv4 YouTube that has problems, where people has to refresh the Youtube page just to get good speed. Tried with IPv4 with similar results: CODE timestamp seconds 163.051 1920x1080, 0 average kbps, 50% volume TagStreamPlayer, HTTP, 4775 kbps 10 stage fps, 31 video fps, 616 dropped, 0 kbps software video rendering, software video decoding -16.359 db, 1 audio factor
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paultantk
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Oct 27 2013, 03:44 PM
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Doesn't tm traffic go to Google over myix peering?
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TSdarrenliew96
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Oct 27 2013, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE(Alpha Wolf @ Oct 27 2013, 03:40 PM) Tried with IPv4 with similar results: CODE timestamp seconds 163.051 1920x1080, 0 average kbps, 50% volume TagStreamPlayer, HTTP, 4775 kbps 10 stage fps, 31 video fps, 616 dropped, 0 kbps software video rendering, software video decoding -16.359 db, 1 audio factor Try this link: http://youtu.be/L5eAWXiI4jAThis is my max speed download via Youtube app
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wKkaY
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Oct 27 2013, 03:52 PM
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misutā supākoru
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Bandwidth isn't infinite.
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Alpha Wolf
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Oct 27 2013, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(darrenliew96 @ Oct 27 2013, 03:49 PM) Try this link: http://youtu.be/L5eAWXiI4jAThis is my max speed download via Youtube app » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Two minutes into the video and still at max transfer (I'm on 5Mbps Unifi) with IPv4: QUOTE timestamp seconds 120.352 640x360, 0 average kbps, 100% volume TagStreamPlayer, HTTP, 4603 kbps 10 stage fps, 25 video fps, 118 dropped, 0 kbps software video rendering, software video decoding NaN db, 1 audio facto
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TSdarrenliew96
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Oct 27 2013, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(Alpha Wolf @ Oct 27 2013, 04:00 PM) Two minutes into the video and still at max transfer (I'm on 5Mbps Unifi) with IPv4: BTW, what CDN are you reported in. http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mappingLike mine:219.92.x.x tm-pen1 Any other TM user and streamyx user which would like to test the video download speed? Video less than 10mins seems to work fine. (Load at full speed) 450kb/s But not video over 10 mins which is 40kb/s http://youtu.be/L5eAWXiI4jAThis post has been edited by darrenliew96: Oct 27 2013, 04:08 PM
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