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post Feb 24 2014, 06:35 PM

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Hi guys, great thread here.

Any chance of fresh graduates (Msia citizen, Aus uni) finding work and subsequently getting a work permit?

Anyone (recent grad or superior of recent grad) have any experience?

Thanks. Any comments would be appreciated.
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post Feb 24 2014, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(Yodatan @ Feb 24 2014, 07:50 PM)
just apply and see how , plenty of people with similar background as you working in singapore
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post Feb 25 2014, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(razo2 @ Feb 25 2014, 05:59 PM)
Most companies like overseas graduate. But it all depends and what you can offer in skills, character and communication.
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QUOTE(razo2 @ Feb 25 2014, 06:01 PM)
I think they are pretty strict about S and E pass now.
Government suppose to limit the amount of fresh graduate coming in to SG to protect their own local graduates.
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Ya, quite worried too because I hear it isn't easy for my SG friends to get work.

At least SG folks understand Malaysians... not like in some places, they think we are all like some Chinamen with bad English, zero ability to communicate etc.

Even with right skills/qualifications and equal/better English compared to a Singaporean it's gonna be tough - but hopefully possible.

Would be interested in hearing any recent stories, because these things (sentiments and perceptions) can change in the blink of an eye.
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post Feb 26 2014, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(FollowN @ Feb 26 2014, 12:10 AM)
I struck gold with these two changes and landed quite a few interviews. The rest as they say is history.

I applied two very useful mantras to my job search process:
1) Forget about what the doom mongers say. Sure the SG gov tightened some laws, but chances are the statistics these doom mongers peddle are irrelevant because of their macro nature. You'll still be able to find a couple of rapidly growing segments within mature industries. Or sunrise industries.
2) Simple but effective advice - get a game plan and differentiate yourself.

Good luck!
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Very encouraging story, thank you!

How do you really break in, now that most applications are online? Directly apply on websites, or do you call in to specific HR depts within the companies you're interested in.

I think I have some qualities (languages, academics, several internships) but as the very niche area I'm trying to get into is quite saturated, they don't advertise for graduates and at some point (maybe after graduating) I might try cold calling. I'm open to broader sector-wide opportunities but again they don't advertise.

Still, I am starting with the email and resume send outs, they mostly never worked for internships but hopefully will for this.
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post Feb 26 2014, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(razo2 @ Feb 26 2014, 10:22 AM)
It is all down to your ability to land an interview. Really. That is the hardest part. When they want to interview you, then you need to sell skills that they are interested in their current project.

For fresh graduate it is all down to that three. Keep your interview balanced especially when they ask if you have any questions for them. Ask at least 10 questions, if possible, ask about their current project. The key factors that require to make the project successful. A lot of candidate failed this part. They always talk about their own interest, but never try to know about the company.

Do note that in SG there are a lot of foreign companies as well. Not necessary it is SG they favor Malaysian, my interview had a Norwegian guy as well.

As a Gen-Y, we have the cutting edge of IT skills. It helps a lot in projects. Learn basic VBA and macro programming, it is good skill to have without any industrial experience. That is the minimum requirement.

I always sell my IT programming skills, even is I am in Engineering field with minimal programming. People sees it as a good skill to have. I take programming as my side interest. It is something that I see it being useful in my work.

It is all down to how you talk and sell during an interview. Leaving last good and effective impression.

Read about economics. Learn to grow up. It is something that you can talk in an interview, even for manager role. It shows the skills of learning market trend. It is important because one day you will lead the company based on market trend.
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thanks for all your advice

yeah, I'm not that good in interviews. my first job out of high school, the interview wasn't that hard and didn't matter, they were impressed by academics and wanted to train new workers, fast. since then i've only interview for internships. so now I've realised it's quite stupid what I say when they ask if I have questions at the end of the interview. i've got some ideas of things I could ask them. maybe not 10, but i'll have something to say. do you feel it's appropriate to ask the interviewer's background? how they came up? I am actually also quite bad at talking about myself.

it's good that they are interested in foreigners. I know there are still a lot which value Westerners over Asians. in the field I am looking at, though, typically Asians dominate in this region (a lot of them study this course)

yes, I do know some Excel VBA, I've used it at work after being exposed to it at school. I usually write "basic" on the CV... don't think I'm good enough for intermediate but I know things like running loops, if and when, goal seek and other applications

i studied quite a bit of economics! it's a good point to bring up. I should talk about markets and recent events, regulatory changes in the industry. just something to talk about (buy time) that's not completely irrelevant

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post Feb 28 2014, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(razo2 @ Feb 28 2014, 02:02 PM)
I read an article about they protecting local graduate jobs. But now too sure if that will ever happen, since like you said nothing beats low wages foreigners. Company wont care about local or not, is it all about the money.
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so they are okay to do the work permit? so normally Malaysian working in SG (fresh grad) will be paid less?
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post Feb 28 2014, 09:25 PM

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guys let's say you want to call the company (where you don't have contacts), but you can only get HR's number

so you have no choice, you call HR

but normally HR doesn't have updated information on whether there are vacancies in the desired dept. (they maybe have a list just like one you can find online sometimes) and further, if the dept. is willing to or wants to take in a fresh grad HR is very likely to not know this

how to get past this so that the dept. gets to see your CV and you don't just get passed by HR?
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post Feb 28 2014, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(momijigari @ Feb 28 2014, 10:30 PM)
Department will need to seek approval from management for head count. Once approved, HR will start hiring process. Don't understand why do you think HR doesn't have any updated information.

Hiring advertisements by HR > contact/send resume to HR > HR will go through CVs > pass CVs of potential candidates to hiring manager....
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fine if it is for a manager, senior analyst with 3-5 years exp, head of dept etc... because HR will do filtering of qualifications and experience, background, the right pay range

but in niche industry, fresh grad usually doesn't get passed around to HR... say 25 to 30 companies whole industry, and less than 5 want to hire a fresh grad, and one uni alone can produce 50 to 100 fresh grads per year - and if they don't get a fresh grad, they won't really feel they missed anything. in this scenario, my question is valid. how many ads are you going to find... maybe 1, at most 2, at any given time of the year.
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post Mar 1 2014, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(cwcw @ Mar 1 2014, 06:01 PM)
i got even low 1.5k~~
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it's worth it, right

i mean now
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post Mar 1 2014, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(athrun300 @ Mar 1 2014, 09:19 PM)
Accommodation will eat away at least 30% of the salary leh. Plus food and other things, he would struggle to save although doable if living a prudent life.
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if average, just simple/comfortable but eating well, how much is needed do you think?

maybe it's worth it if the pay grows faster?
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post Mar 2 2014, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Mar 2 2014, 02:05 AM)
rental $300 (share room) $600 (own room)
food $300 (every day light breakfast then 2x chap fan/hawker food)
transport $100
internet/utilities/hp $100
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for me $100 would feel very little (<$3.3 per day) for transport

and perhaps <$10 a day for food would be difficult to manage too, if including occasional eating out and groceries

plus a little bit for entertainment if there's time hehe
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post Mar 2 2014, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(Night Fury @ Mar 2 2014, 11:16 PM)
First day of work tomorrow :S

wish me luck !!
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post Mar 7 2014, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Mar 7 2014, 12:40 PM)
just avoid the chap fan stalls that use gutter oil and you will be fine.
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post Mar 7 2014, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(St. Petersburg @ Mar 7 2014, 05:14 PM)
too good to be true price smile.gif  ... & funny/weird taste ...
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shite

those damn lowlifes
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post Mar 16 2014, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(The Net Surfer @ Mar 16 2014, 12:37 PM)
I have got a job offer from a Sg Public listed company, Basic Sgd2.8k, + overseas allowance, + OT.
Simply asked a question in this thread, and I realize it's actually better to go back to easyroommate.com.sg, at least I have got a few replies which has offer the a common room for share from ranges SGD 280 to SGD500.
The ultimate goal to work in Sg is not to live in a bangala lifestyle, it is to find way to optimize the monthly saving, as well as better job scope and learning perspect.
Here let me share with you what is the saving with SGD 2800
F&B : 500
Rental: 500 (maximum for share room)
Transport: 100
Daily goods: 200
Tax: I think it does not apply to annual income SGD33600
Minimum entertainment and social: 150
Saving : SGD 1350

One benefits of room share is that, it usually didn't bond you in contract of minimum 6 months of tenant period.
While your belief (b4 survey) is that there is no working professional willing for a room share, I actually already have got two contacts on hands.
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Cheers for this, good info sharing.

Can I ask, did you study in Singapore/Overseas, and is your job a fresh grad position?

Congrats.
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post Mar 16 2014, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(The Net Surfer @ Mar 16 2014, 02:58 PM)
Grad in Malaysia, been working in KL for 4 years. smile.gif
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wow 4 years is a lot of experience. 2800 SGD looks like ~ starting pay in my industry - and it happens to be 2800 MYR in Malaysia too. unless ur overseas allowance is very high.


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post Mar 16 2014, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Mar 16 2014, 05:54 PM)
starting pay of who? and what qualification.. thats important...
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insurance. first degree.
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post Mar 16 2014, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(The Net Surfer @ Mar 16 2014, 07:45 PM)
What's your position in the insurance industry? If you get hired in Sg, would the pay same amount to the M'sia current pay? E.g. MYR3800 = SGD 3800?
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hmm i should say i'm still a student but it's an industry i would consider entering if i were able to find a job in it - it's an industry i'm "trained" for

i'm looking at entry level positions and based on my observations, the starting pay is roughly the same number in MYR or SGD. between 2500-3000, increasing with the level of qualification.


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post Mar 16 2014, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(ndragon @ Mar 16 2014, 09:41 PM)
i think i know which field u are talking about..
but do note that over the last few years... the industry is oversupplied with the fresh grads coming from many uni...
and most of the co. now dun really like to hire freshy and train them..

so I can see a lot of grads applies for intern post to show their passion in the field.. but anyway.. I dun think its as fancy as you would imagine it will be.. there are many other field that you can also consider and can possibly earn much higher pay.. haha..

the work life balance in asia countries are also not as good as the western's 1.. for example if you compared to australia.. lol
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i know all this

by now i have no illusions

it's been a ride but it's only just beginning

at the end of the day though all related fields are difficult to get into, and if you want more pay you need to work more and work hard - it's crazy how few jobs there are anymore and it is almost like you need to be the top 5% and have insane luck
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post Mar 17 2014, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(ndragon @ Mar 16 2014, 11:06 PM)
imo... you dun need to be the top 5%.. u just need to be above average.. and the rest is of luck already..  tongue.gif

anyway.. good luck  smile.gif
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top 30% and top 5% lucky maybe

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