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Fiona Chin
post Oct 25 2013, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(candle @ Oct 25 2013, 10:08 AM)
rejected the offer from singapore recently, decided to stay in own country.
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QUOTE(ivanswk @ Oct 25 2013, 10:34 AM)
i rejected offer from HK, middle east and from own country to stay in Singapore... sooo  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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post Oct 27 2013, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(Argiope @ Oct 27 2013, 02:04 AM)
I think it depends which bank and whether you are Singaporean/PR or working pass holder.
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Ya, SC/PR minimum 30k for the lowest card. Foreigner higher depending on banks. Normally 50-60k, heard HSBC is 40k, best bank in SG. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 27 2013, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(Argiope @ Oct 27 2013, 04:41 PM)
Because HSBC feeds her every month. rclxms.gif

Hmm, apasal don't bother check the bank website leh? whistling.gif

https://www.hsbc.com.sg/1/2/miscellaneous/i...upport-document
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Partly teehee. But HSBC was giving out 80 dollar per card rebate upon approval, so apply 2 and you get 160 dollar free shopping money. Really got so big katak jump on the street one. Other bank I could remember doing the same are our thread bosses' Standard Chartered and Citibank. Apply, get the free money, cancel it after the minimum period. Redo it again for the next cash rebate promotion.
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post Oct 27 2013, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Oct 27 2013, 08:05 PM)
thank you for the feedback. are you making this homeland a better place to live ? if you do not take up the new citizenship, what would you do after you have retired ?
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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Oct 27 2013, 08:08 PM)
base on the reasons given for leaving your homeland and reside in a new place, are those reasons a non existence in where you are staying and working now ? You are not treated as foreigners ? You get the same pay amount as their own citizens with the same amount of opportunities in careers ?
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So, are you making your homeland better place to live, by staying there?

We are being treated fairly here, at least better when compared to back home. Not based on race, skin colour and religion, mostly based on merits. We get the same pay and same amount of opportunities as locals do, except for some highly sensitive jobs. But I don't think I will have the chance to be involved in those kind of job in MY anyway.

We have a very good life because we are rewarded accordingly to our hard work, not according to who you are connected with.

To be fair, there are some benefits that SG citizens have but we don't, but that is their country's policy to protect their own citizens. I don't feel MY is protecting my benefits, or my safety when I staying in my own house.

BTW, its not like you want to take up a citizenship here then they approve you straight away. Think anyhow they give you new passport like those mangala in MY? I rejected my invitation for SC, as far as I know few of the people here also rejected their SC invitation. My government still need me, fixed d for the government, hidup Budget 2014!

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post Oct 28 2013, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(alvo @ Oct 28 2013, 12:48 AM)
Just to seek some opinion here..I considering an opportunity to relocate to SG..considering that I have a commitment in the form of a house in KL..I am wondering if it makes any sense to move over to SG ..(take the salary equation aside as I would be earning more or less the same amount of salary both in KL & SG as it is a company relocation)..From a tax / quality of life (living in a rented room vs a house of your own for example) / cost of living perspective..would like views from you guys who have worked or working in SG to contribute your 2cents..thanks!
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Quality of life = better in terms of safety.

Cost of living = cheaper with your strong dollar.
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post Oct 29 2013, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(GiNgEr^fIsH @ Oct 29 2013, 01:43 PM)
Congrats Lester. I was an EP holder for 3 years and I still had to wait for 3 months.
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Congrats SG, another one contributing to cpf hehe.
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post Oct 29 2013, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(siberfriend @ Oct 29 2013, 02:23 PM)
- Don't need to renew every 1 or 2
- lifetime driving license
- higher chance to win the prize in any contest; Singapore IC Nmbr
- CPF contribution
- lower medical and educational bill
- many more.
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Own a landed property or whole building.
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post Oct 29 2013, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Oct 29 2013, 09:34 PM)
citibank wants 3 month salary slips before can apply, also want 3000 upfront.. which i dont have now -.-

btw q1 ep easy to get pr? any benefit of pr for a single person?
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Eh, I thought you doctor or working with MOH?
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post Oct 30 2013, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(tengah @ Oct 30 2013, 12:20 PM)
About that Chicken rice at Chatter Box. S$32 for chicken rice is a rip off no matter how good it is or if it is at a hotel. There are better things to eat for $32.

==== Cancelled the above because @deodorant removed the Chicken Rice link from the Signature =====

==== Update #2: now the link on the Signature came back ====

Anyway, forget about this, it's not important  drool.gif
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All the food outside are rip off anyway. Depend on how much you are already used to being rip off and how much you are willing to be rip off for something new.
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post Oct 31 2013, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(tengah @ Oct 31 2013, 09:09 AM)
Yes, outside food is a rip off, nowadays hawkers can charge as much as $10, on the extreme side, particularly when you pick more meat.

Sometime back, this guy was charged like $600 for ordering crabs, something like that.
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Even for the cheapest HDB's kopitiam you can get, I would say the material cost price is only 20 to 30 per cent of what you paying if you cook yourself at home. The 70 per cent you paying for the extra oil, salt and unknown chemicals. Only the rich and healthy can dine out everyday hehe.
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post Oct 31 2013, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Oct 31 2013, 02:44 PM)
The 70% is for the time & effort required if you had to shop for the ingredients, cook it and wash up afterwards yourself.

The food is not going to shop itself into your fridge and cook itself onto your plate.

It's a trade off each of us has to decide for ourselves. Is the time required for you to shop, cook and wash - worth more or less than the 70% value add you pay to the stall? If your time is less valuable, then do it all yourself by all means. But if you deem your time to be more valuable, then so be it. Eat out.
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I would see it as my health is more valuable than anything else money can buy. Strong believer of "you are what you eat", who knows what ingredients they are serving outside.

On weekdays, we probably spent around 2 hours preparing, cooking, eating and dish washing for 2/3 dishes and 1 soup. Money spent roughly about 300 for 2 person per month, 5 days per week. I don't know how much I need to earn to make spending 2 hours to cook more valuable than eating outside. 5 dollar per hour?

Waiting for the chicken soup to be done then have our 30 minutes dinner and 10 minutes to put all the plates in the dish washer and press a button. Those who have time or place to cook should try, its fun and worth it, plus next time the children no need grow up eating McD all the time.
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post Oct 31 2013, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Oct 31 2013, 03:44 PM)
eh, asking questions for a friend with family thinking to relocate to SG.

a. how much are childcare/nursery costs here. assuming kid 1 - 4 years old.
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post Nov 3 2013, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(jgamer @ Nov 3 2013, 04:54 PM)
just want to ask, I am now working in singapore for almost 2 months, I being forced in email with job recruit agent that I had to pay him one month for salary if I didn't complete 3 month working period

so now I got better job offer, can I switch without pay him?
does this agreement legit?
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If you sign or verbally agree its legit.
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post Nov 3 2013, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Oct 31 2013, 09:41 PM)
I'm not questioning the choices you've made. I only framed the choices available.

And the point that I wanted to get across is that it's pointless to complain about food prices by basing one's argument on the cost of raw materials alone. That's because selling food in Singapore is as much a service as it is a product. A large consideration becomes how much that service component matters or is of value to you.
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Hehe alright, correct also. Remember to eat drink and stay healthy pipu.

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post Nov 3 2013, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Nov 3 2013, 07:54 PM)
she said move before the first 1 month is over, so its before 22 nov. and cuz its condo, and i found it on easyroommate, so no agent fees. crazy man. are there many these sort of landlords around? i studied in oz rented from china/hk ppl for 2.5 yrs never see such behaviour  shakehead.gif
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Like that you sure lose liao. Think she won't compensate for your left over rental also? No where you can find any free party to help you, unless you go mediation yourself, long process then you will be on the losing end because you fighting against a millionaire hehe.

Most likely she got a very good offer for the condo. There are a lot of new landlord renting out their room after seeing the market is good for the recent years, with no experience no etiquette and only know how to earn your money.

Luck no good on your side today.
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post Nov 3 2013, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 3 2013, 07:54 PM)
No.
But I applied after 3 months.
Every sg grad Malaysian I know was given PR regardless of pay/position/company.
It's still pretty much a guarantee.
Same can't be said for other nationalites or non sg grads. Not to mention this may change. But at the moment, it's still relatively easy.

Not every local Malaysian grad wants PR anyway. Some rather postpone it as their company will give them what's supposed to be their cpf contributions into their monthly paychecks.
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Long long time ago the tradition is they send out the letters before graduation saying please apply sure get one. Think is like they can direct apply PR and work, no need go through EP stage. But now I heard juniors from the same school being rejected recently. Local grads not so prestige any more.
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post Nov 4 2013, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(tengah @ Nov 4 2013, 03:08 PM)
This is debatable..

Financially, you make more money, then it is not downgrade.

Job scope/responsibility wise, then it is a downgrade since a RM10K job in Malaysia is normally a directorship or something similar and a SGD5K job in Singapore is normally an officer or senior officer job.

You may then say cost of living higher in Malaysia, but Singapore is safer and not race-based, so it is really debatable.


If the person is planning to return to Malaysia after the job in Singapore, then it is certainly a bargain since the FX conversion would make him much richer..
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Typo or what? Malaysia cost of living higher?

Wait till you getting a house and a car here, then you realise you need your SG salary figure to be in MY salary figure * 2.5 to get the equivalent lifestyle here (applicable for condo only, landed you need to win Toto, for few times in a row to own one).

QUOTE(jitshiong @ Nov 4 2013, 03:27 PM)
u will be surprised....
nobody in their sane mind will hire u at that kind of rate
say u earn 5k sgd, u expect to come back malaysia n earn 10k?

from RM10k job to a sgd5k job is definitely a downgrade in salary
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post Nov 4 2013, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Nov 4 2013, 04:12 PM)
Really? Today?
So lansi.....didn't even say hi
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Last week. You walked so fast don't know go where, how to shout?

QUOTE(GiNgEr^fIsH @ Nov 4 2013, 05:33 PM)
I disagree. I think in totality cars prices are comparable to Malaysia.
This is due to the fluid COE prices. So there are times, where SG car prices can be even cheaper than Malaysia.

Alternatively, you can get a 2nd car with 3,4 yrs COE left. If you want a better quality of living.

I do admit prices of properties are expensive. But that's if you compare private. BTO's are actually cheaper here! Rental are also higher here in SG however food are far cheaper. Do not forget also, SGD command a higher spending power.
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No leh you compare what car? Even ignore the COE, some SG car price still more expensive. Add in the ERP, parking and petrol then rclxm9.gif . Not to forget the 50% cash you have to fork out.

BTO only for locals, unless you convert and join the long waiting queue with ballot system.
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post Nov 10 2013, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 9 2013, 01:08 AM)
Fish smell is still acceptable.
Faeces smell however...
What I meant is that person stinks like shit so much that my friend who's staying in the same unit starting smelling like shit too.

I'm a realist, but most importantly, I'm not a hypocrite.
I would rather stay with an educated Malaysian regardless of race than a construction worker fresh from a village in Bangladesh.
My personal experience tell me there would be a lesser chance of hygiene problems if I stayed with the former.
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 10 2013, 04:11 AM)
So if most construction workers already have accommodation then there's nothing to worry about.

BTW, not wanting to stay together =/= discriminating against.
I wouldn't like to stay with someone who's an expert drummer but practices all night long. That doesn't mean I can't have a sense of respect towards his tenacity.
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If you did not stay with one, where comes your "personal experience" regarding construction worker? Based on your perspective that they are worse off than educated people? Judging the book by the cover NTU taught you yeah?

I live with one until today, only finish primary school, come from a rural area. No hygiene problem. I guess when he started working most people think of him the way you do. Dirty, smelly, uneducated and uncivilised. Since young I have being hearing with all this "study hard if not you end up working as janitor and labourer", but the teachers don't know some of the blue collar worker don't even have the chance to study because their family can't afford it. And so they breed people like you looking down workers and you trying to pass on this "thought-you-are-an-elite" kind of thinking.

Not wanting to stay is a form of discriminating. Put it in a nice way is your preference, good way to comfort yourself, put it in another way is discrimination. Discriminate against the smell, discriminate against the loud practice.

QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Nov 9 2013, 09:25 AM)
How about a less educated Malaysian construction worker with mud patches on the boots, dust all over the shirt and smell of sweat at the end of the of day, will I be discriminated against by fellow highly educated countrymen?

So regret never study good good in when in school. Now people look at me down always say from kampung. cry.gif
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post Nov 11 2013, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 10 2013, 02:30 PM)
So you stayed with a Bangladeshi construction worker when you were young until today ?

Note that I did not mention anything about Malaysian construction workers nor do I have anything against them.
It's just that everyone suddenly zeroed in on the "construction worker" part and started the personal flaming and trolling with their holier than thou mentality and hypocrisy.
In fact you're now judging the book by the cover when you assumed that I was a "elitist".
Did you know that I've close relatives who're once janitors ? I've nothing but respect for them, not to mention I once lived with them too.

My bad experiences was with a different group of people(who come from a certain location far from Malaysia/SG) and I would do anything to avoid being that position again.
I know some of their culture, and I would rather not deal with it. Eg: Wearing shoes inside. This doesn't mean I look down towards them, in fact some of them are extremely brilliant in what they do.

Some people don't really like to live with their parents/parents in law for the rest of their live. Is that discrimination ?
Some people don't like to live with smokers because they have asthma. Is that discrimination ?
If you put it that way, you discriminate every single day too.
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So you discriminating against certain race then? Racist? Wikipedia quote for you:

Discrimination is the prejudicial and/or distinguishing treatment of an individual based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated."

Your last 2 question, yes, they are discriminating the other groups. Similarly, I am too in certain way.

You are behaving like a hypocrite too by saying you not discriminating them, but still saying bad things about their smell, behaviour and culture.

Hello, judging a book by its cover mean you judge a person based on appearance. In your case, condemn the whole race for some example you had. After reading few posts of yours, that is not judging a book by its cover, its like reading a page of the book and judging it.

Nah I know you are not an elite as you finding room mates to share the cost of your room. So, don't act like one and saying workers are worse off than educated people like you. Your boss will see you as worker like the way you see Bangla if you believe in karma. Don't believe? Look at the pay your boss or client for your photography job they paying you. If an elite with high pay, you won't be finding room mate here.

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