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post Jan 13 2014, 08:13 PM

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A pretty sad reality which I absolutely agree with. And the quoted $48K a year to retire "comfortably" is actually quite optimistic. Half of that already goes to conservancy charges or maintenance fees and groceries. The rest for takeout/restaurants, cable tv/bb, very basic entertainment, medication/supplements and public transport. Add another $2K a month if you want to drive, which you will when you're old and creaky.

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/100472868

A Wealthy Nation That Can't Afford to Retire
CNBC.com  02/20/13 3:42 AM
By: Rajeshni Naidu-Ghelani

The Southeast Asian city-state of Singapore may boast of the highest percentage of millionaires in the world, but retiring in this wealthy financial hub is becoming even more difficult for the common man.
According to a latest study by HSBC, the citizens of this country, which has one of the highest per capita incomes in the world, face the grim prospect of running out of their savings almost halfway through retirement as the high cost of living and increased life expectancy eats into their nest egg.

Singapore has gradually moved up human resources firm Mercer's global rankings of the world's most expensive cities, moving to sixth place in 2012 from eighth in 2011 and eleventh in 2010.

"There is cause for concern from the finding that the retirement savings of people in Singapore will run out after nine years, which is about the time they are entering into frail retirement and a stage of their lives when medical costs and other elderly care expenses are expected to rise," Paul Arrowsmith, head of retail banking and wealth management, HSBC Singapore, said in the report released on Wednesday.

"People are living longer, through tougher economic times, and expectations about their standard of living in retirement have risen," Arrowsmith added.
More than half of the 1,000 Singaporeans interviewed for the survey said that either they were not adequately prepared or not prepared at all for retirement as they expected to continue working beyond the age of 65 to be able to afford their desired lifestyle.

One also needs more money to fund one's retirement in Singapore. According to the study, the annual household income required to lead a "comfortable" retired life in Singapore is the third highest among Asia's major economies, behind Australia and Hong Kong, at $48,773. This figure is 68 percent higher than what was needed in 2011, the survey, which has been running for eight years, found.

The rising cost of living in Singapore has 58-year-old Singaporean Janice Tan worried about her retirement.

"I think the cost of living is really escalating a lot," Tan told CNBC. "During the Chinese New Year season, when I went to buy the goodies, it really shocked me, because the cost is really going up too fast."

Tan and her husband are currently paying for the education of their two children, including a 21-year-old daughter studying in Perth, Australia. While Tan, an administration professional, hopes to retire soon, she says she knows it might be another 10 years before that happens.

"As human beings we want more - a more comfortable life. That's where the worries come in on whether you will able to survive," Tan said.

According to the study, of those not saving for retirement, nearly half said they were being held back by the cost of day-to-day living.

High costs have become a major cause of discontent among Singapore's residents. This prompted a rare protest over the weekend in which about 3,000 people participated. They were voicing concerns over swelling costs driven by an influx of foreigners.

Foreigners, who account for almost 40 percent of Singapore's 5.3 million people, have been blamed for pushing up housing prices and taking up jobs in one of Asia's major business centers.

Retirement Fears

The top three fears about retirement cited by Singaporeans were poor health, financial hardship and not having enough money to provide for good healthcare, according to the study.

With retirement savings drying up at a time when Singaporeans are most vulnerable to health problems, funding medical bills could become a big burden, HSBC said.

Tan backed that sentiment, saying that medical bills from a motorcycle accident that her husband was involved in last year have been a drain on their finances.

"As we get older, I realize it [funding health costs] is a more important thing to sort out," said Tan. But the high cost of living is coming in the way. "I can't imagine how much more the cost of living is going to go up to," she added.

—By CNBC.com's Rajeshni Naidu-Ghelani

iSmartPower
post Jan 13 2014, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(waynefly @ Jan 13 2014, 05:53 PM)
Yes, I do not have Degree and just Professional Cert.
So far MoM do not recognize professional cert so I have to get WP since no more quota for SP.
Now my concern is whether we need to declare tax with the said amount.
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Yes, with 4k salary, annual is 48k; you must pay tax; regardless what pass you are in.

Nowadays company might have e-filing, so you just need to go IRAS website to declare relief and other income source if any.
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post Jan 13 2014, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Jan 13 2014, 08:13 PM)
A pretty sad reality which I absolutely agree with. And the quoted $48K a year to retire "comfortably" is actually quite optimistic. Half of that already goes to conservancy charges or maintenance fees and groceries. The rest for takeout/restaurants, cable tv/bb, very basic entertainment, medication/supplements and public transport. Add another $2K a month if you want to drive, which you will when you're old and creaky.
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That's why lots of Singapore grandpa which is still single will migrate or half migrate to China to look for their life accompaniment when old age. Only come back Singapore once in 2 months to collect their HDB rental if they own any. With the rental, spent like a boss in China.

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post Jan 13 2014, 10:59 PM

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And that's why I'm spending almost 6k yearly for insurance plans..

Meanwhile be Sg citiZen get HDB then save for a private property before retire then get out of Sg and enjoy the rent from both properties
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post Jan 13 2014, 11:32 PM

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See, told ya hehe. Something for those who are considering taking up SG citizen to save some money now but face the problem locals have later. No where to run, can't get out, they are coming...

Anyway, I don't feel the living cost getting out of control in SG. Malaysia's one then yes, out of control.

QUOTE(wlcling @ Jan 13 2014, 10:59 PM)
And that's why I'm spending almost 6k yearly for insurance plans..

Meanwhile be Sg citiZen get HDB then save for a private property before retire then get out of Sg and enjoy the rent from both properties
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If that work smoothly there won't be so many complains of high retirement cost now.
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post Jan 13 2014, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(Seager @ Jan 12 2014, 11:52 PM)
I have no clue where those places are.
Got kupitard TT session? lol
Most likely end of the month I might be in SG already.
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yea mang.. we hv got bedminton, road trip, bbq, satay, setarbukz sessions on and off... currently hv got 7 premium members and 38 normal members

QUOTE(OrCaGaL @ Jan 12 2014, 11:56 PM)
hahaha..sure ka? i can only start work in 1st April..now it's only January, won't it be too early to job hunt (especially in SG)?
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nopez... d earlier d better thumbup.gif gluck!

QUOTE(razo2 @ Jan 13 2014, 01:39 PM)
oh, ok I think I go with Starhub. Seems like both Starhub and Singtel have the same thing apparently. Their internet plan is pretty good as well, so far no problems (hopefully).
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singtel is better, but if u hv cable tv n fibre too... u can join starhub's hubclub for discounts up to 30%, max 4 mobile per acct.. dun know whether singtel hv something similar

QUOTE(wlcling @ Jan 13 2014, 10:59 PM)
And that's why I'm spending almost 6k yearly for insurance plans..

Meanwhile be Sg citiZen get HDB then save for a private property before retire then get out of Sg and enjoy the rent from both properties
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ur insurance agent must be loving u very much rclxms.gif
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post Jan 14 2014, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Jan 13 2014, 11:46 PM)
yea mang.. we hv got bedminton, road trip, bbq, satay, setarbukz sessions on and off... currently hv got 7 premium members and 38 normal members
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Wah that's cool. Just finishes my interview yesterday. Going back to Malaysia later today, will be back towards the end of the month. Will hit you guys up.

How come got premium members and normal members? laugh.gif
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post Jan 14 2014, 06:24 AM

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Jan 13 2014, 11:32 PM)
See, told ya hehe. Something for those who are considering taking up SG citizen to save some money now but face the problem locals have later. No where to run, can't get out, they are coming...

Anyway, I don't feel the living cost getting out of control in SG. Malaysia's one then yes, out of control.
If that work smoothly there won't be so many complains of high retirement cost now.
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Malaysia PM says kangkung price dropped:

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...gkung-statement

still in control he says...
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post Jan 14 2014, 06:36 AM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Jan 13 2014, 11:46 PM)
yea mang.. we hv got bedminton, road trip, bbq, satay, setarbukz sessions on and off... currently hv got 7 premium members and 38 normal members
nopez... d earlier d better  thumbup.gif  gluck!
singtel is better, but if u hv cable tv n fibre too... u can join starhub's hubclub for discounts up to 30%, max 4 mobile per acct.. dun know whether singtel hv something similar
ur insurance agent must be loving u very much  rclxms.gif
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I got my Starhub internet cable plan already, My god cable here is fast compared to Malaysia and Australia. Maybe I should switch over to fiber later to see the speed.

Oh, I go ask them about it. Why they never tell me anything about the 30% discount. Still in a thinking mode of getting a phone now or later when Samsung Note 4 and Galaxy 5 release in March (hopefully). Kinda like the OLED concept. It will be perfect timing when I come back from my overseas on April.
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post Jan 14 2014, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(wlcling @ Jan 13 2014, 10:59 PM)
And that's why I'm spending almost 6k yearly for insurance plans..

Meanwhile be Sg citiZen get HDB then save for a private property before retire then get out of Sg and enjoy the rent from both properties
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What kind of insurance costs you 6k yearly? PRS?
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post Jan 14 2014, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Jan 14 2014, 10:09 AM)
What kind of insurance costs you 6k yearly? PRS?
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my guess its a savings/investment that cost 6k yearly that comes with a coverage/protection/insurance plan...
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post Jan 14 2014, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(Seager @ Jan 14 2014, 12:35 AM)
Wah that's cool. Just finishes my interview yesterday. Going back to Malaysia later today, will be back towards the end of the month. Will hit you guys up.

How come got premium members and normal members?  laugh.gif
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premium members enjoy better perks brows.gif

QUOTE(razo2 @ Jan 14 2014, 06:36 AM)
I got my Starhub internet cable plan already, My god cable here is fast compared to Malaysia and Australia. Maybe I should switch over to fiber later to see the speed.

Oh, I go ask them about it. Why they never tell me anything about the 30% discount. Still in a thinking mode of getting a phone now or later when Samsung Note 4 and Galaxy 5 release in March (hopefully). Kinda like the OLED concept. It will be perfect timing when I come back from my overseas on April.
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singkieland small island, laying of cables cost less...

ask them bout hubclub

QUOTE(robertchoo @ Jan 14 2014, 10:09 AM)
What kind of insurance costs you 6k yearly? PRS?
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pretty auntie insurance brows.gif maybe got value added service brows.gif
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post Jan 14 2014, 09:48 PM

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In Singapore ady started work on Monday hehe..company pay for my stay in hotel for a week so I have time to look for a room..anyone in tampines area?any activities coming up?bbq makan makan sports?
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QUOTE(saihoe @ Jan 14 2014, 09:48 PM)
In Singapore ady started work on Monday hehe..company pay for my stay in hotel for a week so I have time to look for a room..anyone in tampines area?any activities coming up?bbq makan makan sports?
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Tampines? ping me when u free, may be can go lunch together if you are in Tampines Central area.
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post Jan 14 2014, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(Lester1987 @ Jan 14 2014, 10:11 PM)
Tampines? ping me when u free, may be can go lunch together if you are in Tampines Central area.
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I also looking to rent that area back..any lobang?
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post Jan 14 2014, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(saihoe @ Jan 14 2014, 10:14 PM)
I also looking to rent that area back..any lobang?
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rent back lobang? hmm.gif can ask yeah4.1" ... he likes to rent back lobang..
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In Singapore ady started work on Monday hehe..company pay for my stay in hotel for a week so I have time to look for a room..anyone in tampines area?any activities coming up?bbq makan makan sports?
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may have slot for futsal on monday night at east coast park. pm me if interested

lunch / dinner this weekend is okay too.

whereabouts you working?
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post Jan 15 2014, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(saihoe @ Jan 14 2014, 09:48 PM)
sports?

Can check back a few pages for MacKiddo posts for weekend Badminton. Normally we play both sat and sun.
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post Jan 15 2014, 10:48 AM

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tampines resident here too..hehe..staying at st44
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post Jan 15 2014, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(tailtwist @ Jan 14 2014, 11:22 AM)
my guess its a savings/investment that cost 6k yearly that comes with a coverage/protection/insurance plan...
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Ya yes it is... 5 plans... Get the policies also i wth and just dump in drawer.

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