Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Personal Financial Management V3, It's all about managing your $$$

views
     
wkphang
post May 4 2016, 12:32 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
264 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(engtat @ May 3 2016, 07:30 PM)
This is my friend case, and I am proposing him to take EPF money to settle personal loan via his current semi-flexi house loan.

Personal Loan amount: RM15,000
Personal Loan Interest rate: 11.0%
House Loan Interest rate: 4.4%
EPF Interest rate%: 6.4%

Suggesting him to withdraw money from EPF Account 2, and take the money from his semi-flexi house loan account to settle personal loan.

Is it possible? Once EPF made the payment to my friend's house loan account, there is no difference than own money deposited to house loan account right?
*
How about refinance the house? use the extra cash from the refinancing to clear the personal loan, as the rate is 11%. How many years your friend has been paying the hse loan so far? and what is the market value of the house?

While hse loan is at 4.4% (is much more lower than the personal loan)...
btw, how old is your friend? if he still young, can consider refinance.

the number of years you can borrow is up to 35 years or if your friend reach 70 yr old, whichever reach first. (correct me if i'm wrong).

personally, i will not go for the epf withdrawal as it still gives about 6% (assuming that your friend still working, and contributing to epf... the total will gradually grow).
i think in this case, refinance the house is a better option.

while, can use the epf for investment, that will be your retirement (Unless your friend has a better achievement in terms of ROI that is more than the epf 6% annually, else you can consider that.

While your friend get to clear the personal loan, he also can use the epf to invest. however, please be caution, that investment comes with risk. so it depends on your friend risk appetite, and the discipline for it.
if you go for high risk investment via epf, you may get high return, but you also may risk high losses. basically just do your due diligence.

wkphang
post May 4 2016, 04:52 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
264 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(engtat @ May 4 2016, 01:00 AM)
My friend is not good in investment, so based on his personality, I will not suggest something complicated.

15K of amount seems like not worth to refinance when there are other charges, and his repayment just started less than 3 years ago, I did not see any room to refinance.

EPF Acc 1 to UT involves sales charge, I hope my suggestion can minimize his impact in retirement with EPF, try not to touch other acc.

Yes, it would be first time application for withdrawal, I read the EPF website that there is chance for cheque payment if direct debit with financial institue has failed, but not sure whether can opt in for cheque in the beginning.

If withdrawal from house loan acc after direct debit is possible, guess this is another option. Just wondering anyone done this before.

Friend age @ 38.
*
How about borrow money from relatives/friends?

The amount is about 15k.
If he can save about 3k per month, it will be about 5 months. If he can borrow from money from his parents/relatives/siblings/friends.
If he can save about 2k per month, it will be about 7.5 months.

Eg, borrow 15k from them, then if want to give them interest to persuade them to part the money, maybe can offer 5% .. this will be about RM750. and said pay them by installment. The %, he can always discuss with them. at least better than personal loan at 11%.


I'm do not know if withdraw from hse loan acc after direct debit is possible, maybe the experts here can let us know, if this is possible.


wkphang
post May 4 2016, 11:10 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
264 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(ngph988 @ May 4 2016, 10:42 PM)
Good day dear,

If your friend has credit card facilities, why don't ask him take up a cash on call/dial for cash or balance transfer to settle his personal loan. Well at least the interest is between 4% - 9%, depending on risk level in the bank. 15k is not a big limit though, easy to settle  thumbsup.gif
*
but TS mentioned his friend personal loan has a 11% interest rate. If he do a balance transfer /cash on call via credit card, it will be about 4-9% and also got processing/admin fee if not mistaken.

9% and 11% not much difference.

i agreed that 15k is not a big limit. However, depends also on his friend's salary/income. If his friend able to save 2k to 3k per mth, he just need about 5-7.5 mths to clear.

If he can borrow from his relatives/friends/parents, by offering 3-5% for them, and at the same time nego to pay back in installment... this way not just can help his friend reduce/clear in few mths time, but also able to keep his epf intact. This is because his friend do not know about investment, and finds it complicated. Therefore, in this case, is better to keep the money in epf.

15k to some ppl is no big deal, but to some ppl it maybe a big deal... so it depends on various factors that TS's friend only knows.

wkphang
post May 5 2016, 11:35 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
264 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(engtat @ May 5 2016, 12:29 AM)
Just digged more info.

His personal loan repayment tenure is 60 months, just serviced 18 months so far.

The first time I talked to him, I already suggested him to apply credit card, apparently he has no credit card. Reason is that, credit card can be served as emergency due to his wife is delivering soon.

Borrow from people around is not an option, personal complication.

His DSR over net income now is at 73%, and not possible to save 1K per month, so you get the idea of his salary range.

And yes, 9 and 11% has not much difference, one could just borrow money from future self via EPF.
*
If this is the case, there is nothing much your friend can do, except continue to pay the installment.
Just like what j.passing.by mentioned, i don't suggest using epf (even if this method is possible).

If he can't cope with the installment, then maybe he can approach AKPK to get advice.


 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0889sec    0.69    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 14th December 2025 - 05:30 AM