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timw90
post Feb 28 2014, 06:44 PM

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Hi WongMunKeong,

Just finish reading through V2 and I must first say thank you for all you effort in helping others in such detailed manner. It has been a great help for me to gauge myself and help me learn.

I myself is a Wong biggrin.gif . 24 this year. Now its my turn to ask for yours and other member's advice. Here are my latest expenditure.

Gross Income: 2600
Net (After EPF): 2300

Food: 350
Fuel & Parking: 200
Medical Insurance: 200
Entertainment: 50

Medical Expenses: 400
-This is killing my wallet atm. Had an accident half a year ago and have been undergoing treatment till now sad.gif. Recovering and hopefully to clear this in 1 or 2 months time.

Total Left: 1100

I have 30k in FD atm (started last year Dec). 10k in Savings. 5k in ASB (Just found out about this last month). No house loan. 2nd hand car fully paid.

My plan now is to wait till this Dec and put all 30k into ASB. I saw you mentioned to have 6 months emergency in FD. However is it okay to put all savings into ASB? Is ASB liquid enough to be emergency fund? My plan is to hopefully max out ASB by age of 30. Then will look into stocks or property. Maybe marriage too.

Any advise to help me be better at my financial management? Any advise is welcomed.

Thank you!


timw90
post Mar 1 2014, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 1 2014, 09:07 AM)
Koniciwa timw90,

You're too kind - it's just an interest +killing time while growing my thinking by practice smile.gif.

Anyhow, just quickies before i dive deeper yar (rushing quite a bit these days thanks to my bosses):
1. ASB is only for bumiputeras wor - U can invest into ASB meh? ASM?

2. Assuming ASB or ASM, 30K in FD - i'd suggest U split it between ASB/ASM +foreign equities.
AFTER U put aside >= 3 months' average expenses as emergency funds.
eg.
$30K less [ ($1200 mthly expenses -$400 coz this is just temp)* at least 3mths] = $27K+
thus, take $27K and divide into say
ASB
Developing Mkts like CIMBC25 (China biggest 25 listed in HK ETF), CIMBA40 (ASEAN ETF)
Developed Mkts like URTH ETF or VEA ETF or mutual fund like CIMB Principal Global Titans

The above is assuming U do have EPF yar - which, in my humble opinion acts as "bond funds", thus i didn't suggest bond funds above as investment asset allocation. BTW, if U want - U can even throw in some REITs from SGX (0% tax!) or KLSE REITs (10% tax) for dividends.

3. er.. $ in ASB as emergency funds? i'm unsure how fast U can get to that $ - if within 1 day, ok gua.
Personally, i've about 2/3 of my emergency funds in cash equivalent (flexi mortgage) +remainder in bond funds.
Why?
Coz my flexi-mortgage = immediate cashout if needed & its rates are at 4.x%,  which is quite near average long term bond funds' returns of 5%-6%.
That 1/3 in bond funds is just "hope" to beat my 4.x% and yet can get out within 4-5 working days.
er.. note - i've 1+ year's emergency buffer, thus most probably wont even touch that 1/3 (touch wood tongue.gif )

Just a thought  notworthy.gif
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ASB. Lets just say I have the privilege of being a sino kadazan. icon_rolleyes.gif

All those foreign equities you mentioned above are stocks? cos I have no idea what you are talking about haha. I have just started reading up on stocks and have not master the language yet. Was introduced to Public Mutual. After reading about it, realize that their service charge is quite high :S so I thought why not read up on stocks yourself.

So even for ASB, you would not recommend putting all eggs into that basket? and I do notice the trend that people are investing outside of the country now. Is it true that the market in other countries are better atm?

Thanks again for your time smile.gif
timw90
post Mar 1 2014, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 1 2014, 02:46 PM)
Ah.. so des ka. U are like my Portugese colleague - access to ASB  thumbup.gif

Those ETFs are stocks, listed on KLSE (CIMBC25 & CIMBA40) and US (URTH, VEA).
U can google about ETF to learn what are Exchange Traded Funds.
In a nutshell - ETFs are like mutual funds BUT
a. they are listed on stock exchanges, thus can be bought/sold like stocks

b. lower cost to buy - buying stocks cost about 0.5% or less of the "value" received if U buy >= RM2.xxx per transaction VS mutual funds' 1.5% to 5.x% on NAV (think ETF's price as NAV for simplification)

Note - the only downside i see is this, every purchase must be >=RM2,xxxx per transaction else the cost of brokerage is > 2%.  However, there are some brokerages like HLeB that offers cash account (ie. U must have exact or more $ than purchased) 0.1% or $8, whichever higher - something to that effect. Poke around.
For US listed ETFs, whoa.. if i do via HLeB, need to buy about USD8K per transaction to make the cost as a % worthwhile. Using OptionsXpress in SG (can open from MY without going over) is cheaper tongue.gif

c. lower yearly management cost - about 0.5% to 1%pa VS mutual funds' 1.5%pa to 2%pa

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Ok, on to opining:
d. ASB - personally, if i can buy into ASB, i'd use the ASB loans from CIMB, MBB, etc.
Heck - free $ since i make the spread. Only have to be wary for the 1st year+ payments +if i need to take loans for anything else, this ASB loan will show up in CCRIS (watch out yar - may affect your home buying or biz loans)
Thus i'd use cash into over investments

e. On the item of "market in other countries are better atm":
To me? Yes - specifically BRICs (Brazil, Russia, India, China) +Indonesia +Thailand
Reason: Their market's index's PE, are 10 and below VS KLSE >15 liao.
Google PE - in a nutshell, it's the "Price U pay / Earning expected to get". U want this low if U want to buy lelong value - like when Tesco or Giant have big blowout sales on milk powder max /family 5 packs tongue.gif

Hm.. if U've just started in your journey, don't be in a rush to jump in
IF U really want to jump in & get your feet wet, pls do so up to 50% of your available funds for investments only.
I'd suggest U google /read up (books) on ASSET ALLOCATION, VALUE AVERAGING, EXCHANGE TRADED FUNDS VS MUTUAL FUNDS,  VALUE INVESTING.

Good luck with your journey - keep in mind, it's a bloody marathon, not a sprint! laugh.gif
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Even after reading through V2.. I still cant catch all the words you say.. :S any book you could recommend for me to start reading up on all this ETF, and stock stuff?

also, for ASB loan. is it like car loan? where by the longer i borrow the more interest I pay? I thought ASB loan wasn't that attractive. That's why I didn't opt for it.

Thank you again for your replies biggrin.gif
timw90
post Mar 1 2014, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 1 2014, 05:46 PM)
oops.. my bad - which words unclear ar?
List them or part of the sentence - i can clarify. My bad, sometimes i forgot i took me several umpteen years of reading +hands-on to learn.  notworthy.gif

Books?
GENERAL
For investing as well as life in general tongue.gif
http://www.amazon.com/7-Habits-Highly-Effe...1800/ref=sr_1_3?
s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1393666898&sr=1-3&keywords=7+habits

Simplify +Savings +Investing = Turbo
http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Millionaire-...rds=T+Harv+Ekar

Cow sense investing
http://www.amazon.com/Four-Pillars-Investi...ds=four+pillars

ASSET ALLOCATION
http://www.amazon.com/About-Asset-Allocati...B6T1T1X7T07DC0R
http://www.amazon.com/The-Intelligent-Asse...B6T1T1X7T07DC0R

VALUE AVERAGING
http://www.amazon.com/Value-Averaging-Stra...s/dp/0470049774

ETF
http://www.amazon.com/Exchange-Traded-Fund...-3&keywords=ETF

VALUE INVESTING
http://www.amazon.com/Little-Value-Investi...value+investing
http://www.amazon.com/Value-Investing-Dumm...value+investing

BTW, pls note, IMHO investing <> trading yar.
Trading IMHO = biz where i buy product at low price & sell higher price, actively growing wealth.
Investing IMHO = systematically buying into companies or properties and passively growing wealth.

On ASB loan - i did a calculation for my colleague and it was worthwhile.. i gotta dig it out.
Did it for her a year back.. can't remember for sure whether flat rate (like car loan) or mortgage style (reducing balance or effective rate pa) - very highly likely = mortgage.
Anyhow, it doesn't matter what style as long as when calculated as "effective rate per annum" VS ASB's returns = makes sense with a spread of at least 2%pa smile.gif
Note though on my worries if U intend to borrow for buying home, biz, etc as ALL borrowings show up on your CCRIS report and your loan office may think U have too high a monthly commitment / too highly leveraged.

Just a thought  notworthy.gif
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All those stock words and acronyms. I see them as alien words haha. No experience yet.

Thank you for the list. I think I'm going to get the "Secrets of the Millionaire Mind" 1st. Seems like an interesting book.

I know about the ASB loan affecting house loan thing. Was about to loan 200k, then I punch some numbers and realize it might force me to settle down with my job. I still have plans to further study. Do update if you find the excel spread sheet. Maybe I missed out some stuff while punching those numbers.

Was great having your insight on these matter. Cheers!

 

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