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ongonglai89
post Feb 5 2020, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(jeffboon97 @ Feb 5 2020, 11:42 AM)
hahaha, I am aware of this.
Not high living expenses, my highest "living expenses" is my car installment which will be paid off before I get VP of the house.
I tripled confirm with my developer agent, the figures I shown here are incorrectly. I still will be receiving 111k cashback

Take 17% rebate out of 814k, then minus 10% out of the 17% for downpayment, then take 8 % out of 675k(after deducting 17%)

The remaining 7% and 8% rebate masuk my pocket.
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Dunno if I have any misunderstanding. It seems like you are borrowing a full loan to cover off everything ,rather than developer rebate it by offsetting the house's price.

Meaning to say, in bank's record, you are borrowing 814k. And only 7%/8% masuk pocket, the rest is to the developer. Betul kah?

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post Feb 5 2020, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(jeffboon97 @ Feb 5 2020, 03:21 PM)
Hmm based on my understanding and my own calculation,

I'll be borrowing 90% which is RM 732600 then developer they "discount" the unit to RM 621570.40(nett) as this is their package.

Then I use RM732600 - RM 621570.40

the rest is rebate?
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814K - 732k = 82K -> this is rebate that developer gave to you. If only you didn't pay anything to developer for house's deposit.
732k - 621570.40 = 111k -> this is you borrow money from bank. You need to pay back the interest for 111k portion.

Unless you put 111k in your current account to reduce your loan interest. Then you will be benefited from the cashback. Otherwise, it doesn't seem worth it.

This post has been edited by ongonglai89: Feb 5 2020, 02:29 PM
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post Feb 5 2020, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(jeffboon97 @ Feb 5 2020, 04:27 PM)
Thank you brother, well understood.

I am aware of the 111k "rebate" is actually the money I loaned from bank. But I am basically use this amount for renovation and pay back the monthly installment which is kinda funny (stupid). But I am planning to rent 1 room out to reduce the monthly installment. As I will be treating it as own stay also...
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To pay back the monthly instalment is kinda waste because a big portion of your monthly instalment amount would be the interest that to be earned by the bank. Not to big offset your principal amount.

If your EPF has enough saving, try perform withdrawal money from account 2 for renovation.
Either to put the 111k at current account to reduce your loan interest, or put it somewhere else whereby you can earn > interest bank is earning from you.

However subject to your own survival in daily life. Can you survive if there is no one to rent your room? Can you survive if there is an emergency which you need to big cash?



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post Feb 5 2020, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(jeffboon97 @ Feb 4 2020, 04:09 PM)
Hi Lowyat,

I am currently in a dilemma should I be buying a property that priced as below:
Property Price
RM 814k (Before Rebate)

Rebate
RM 57k
RM 54k
RM 4k (Referral)

The rebate will be credited into my bank account as cash, which can be used for Renovation and covering for monthly instalment for at least 21months (1.75 years)

I am planning to use 35k to renovate.

Current Salary - RM 5100 (After Deducting EPF)

Current Monthly Loan Repayment
Car - RM 700
Car - RM 750 (Ends in 5 month time)
PTPTN - RM 300
Phone - RM 285 (Ends in 11 month time)

Should I buy this property and use the rebate to pay off monthly instalment for 1.75 years and work hard to ensure I get higher pay by the end of 2021 to start paying the instalment with my own salary? I also planning to rent out 1 room which yields around RM1000.
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Here's the calculation based on your figure given.

Current
Commitment: RM2035
Monthly Salary: RM 5100
Take home Salary: RM 3065 (after deduct the commitment)

If to clear off your phone loan using 111k
Phone: 285 x 11 = 3135 (clear off)
Commitment: 2035 - 285 = 1750
Take home salary: 3350

If to clear off both phone and car loan using 111k
Phone: 285 x 11 = 3135 (clear off)
Car: 750 x 5 = 3750 (clear off)
Commitment: 2035 - 285 - 750 = 1000
Take home salary: 4100

So the amount used from 111k = 6885. Left you with 104k.

Let say, you can find a tenant immediately agree with 1k rental per month (it won't be easy)
Now, you have:
Monthly commitment 700 + 300 + 3100 (Car + PTPTN + Home) = 4100
Monthly rental income = 1000
Take-home salary = 5100 + 1000 - 4100 = RM2000.

I do not know how much is your remaining balance of your PTPTN loan, so could not advise you to clear off. If it is within 10k and government is giving the rebate for full settlement, I would advise u to clear it off using the rebate.
But it is more than 20k, just continue to pay monthly as PTPTN loan has the lowest interest of all of your big amount loan.

If you do not have any saving on the renovation, you can use the rebate amount at a minimal cost. Like only to renovate the necessary. That furniture, you can buy it slowly.

Remaining to put it in the current account that tied to your loan account, to reduce the monthly interest of the home loan.

Then continue with higher salary job seeking. To cover your compulsory expenses on house.

The objective here is to release your monthly commitment for you to survive.

Again, the assumption here may not fit your current lifestyle, as I do not know your spending habit and other commitment such as buying pressie for gf, give money to parents, eat outside with friends and etc.

This post has been edited by ongonglai89: Feb 5 2020, 04:50 PM
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post Feb 5 2020, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(jeffboon97 @ Feb 5 2020, 05:56 PM)
Thank you so much for your kind effort. notworthy.gif

Everything you said is on point.

Actually, both of my RM750 and phone RM285 is actually zero interest installment, as the car is actually not under my name. As I am just helping to clear the remaining installments of the car.

If that's the cause, should I still pay back fully for this 2 commitment? Since no interest. I can use the rebate money to dump into current account and also handle all the hidden costs.
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Your main objective should focus on reducing monthly commitment in order for you to have cash on hand monthly.

I'm suggesting you clearing off RM750 & RM285 because these are the lowest commitment that could settle it fast without using lots of rebate money.

Imagine, when home instalment kicks in, and you still holding your existing commitment, it would be :
Car: 700 + 750 = 1450
Phone: 285
PTPTN: 300
Home: 3100
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Total: 5135(Commitment) > 5100 (Salary)

5135 is to bear by you once you have your home key. You can't find a tenant immediate right after you owned the house.
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post Feb 5 2020, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Feb 5 2020, 05:59 PM)
No matter how the borrowed money is utilised, it is still the same – it is borrowed money.

The 1st mantra in personal finance is: Don’t borrow to invest.

Some may not agrees with this and loved to use the term “leverage” and practises the concept of money makes more money.

Well, this is personal finance… not business finance.

In opening and running a business, there are lots of risks undertaken. You would not want to run your personal life like running a business. When businesses are not successful, you closed them.

If your personal finance is in trouble, you closed your life? Sell your house and live under the bridge?

For sure we can give lots of suggestions and advices on financial matters. There are many options in life and everyone would have his own opinions.

As for me, I would rather refrain from giving any order advices other than being prudent with our money, and living within our own means. At the very least, this conservative advice do not leads one to financial ruins.
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Agree with this sifu. Do not borrow to invest and end up getting more debt on hand. But have more cash flow on hand to invest.
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post Feb 5 2020, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(jeffboon97 @ Feb 5 2020, 05:56 PM)
Thank you so much for your kind effort. notworthy.gif

Everything you said is on point.

Actually, both of my RM750 and phone RM285 is actually zero interest installment, as the car is actually not under my name. As I am just helping to clear the remaining installments of the car.

If that's the cause, should I still pay back fully for this 2 commitment? Since no interest. I can use the rebate money to dump into current account and also handle all the hidden costs.
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And not forgetting, your electric/internet/maintenance fee/ water bill that you have to pay monthly. These are the additional commitment that you don't even realise it.


Lastly, if you can go for a lower house price, it would be best.

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post Feb 5 2020, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(jeffboon97 @ Feb 5 2020, 06:30 PM)
Such big risk... bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  Thanks man. I guess I'll just need to find ways to increase my income and reduce my current debt then only consider buying a property again.

The property is so appealing though, shorter distance to work, with central park that suits my lifestyle and dog friendly.  sad.gif  bye.gif
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No problem bro.
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post Feb 7 2020, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(Reonix91 @ Feb 6 2020, 09:11 PM)
Greetings folks, just looking for your prospect and insights.

Here's a few details :

I'm aged 28 currently and working in retail.

Gross salary RM 4,000- RM 8,000
Its pretty random as its basics with commission and allowance.

Monthly expenses (Food, groceries, work related etc) RM 800
Parent RM 300
Rental RM 250
Car loan (Share with siblings) RM250
Insurance RM 210
Phone RM 50
Internet RM 100
Electric RM 100
PTPTN Loan RM 230 monthly (Left RM 17,000 more)
ASNB I max up to RM 200,000 (RM1,000 per month I paid) roughly. Been paying for 2 years already

Above are my total expenses.

As for my saving, I managed to save up to RM 184,000 in a saving account

also cash on hand RM 25,000

as for EPF : RM 70,000- RM 80,000

Just wondering should I park all my saving maybe RM 150,000 into my sibling ASB? with the dividend I receive per year, I can use it to pay for property if I'm looking for one within this 1-2 years? I personally think I can save RM 50,000 or more so that I can pay for 10% for property. What are your thoughts or move? Your advice highly appreciated.
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Very impressive saving you have there at the age of 28. Well, by putting your money in your sibling account, by law, the money is belong to your sibling. Not yours. So think again.

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post Feb 7 2020, 10:10 AM

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Suggest to clear off your PTPTN loan and save RM230 monthly.
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post Feb 7 2020, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 7 2020, 03:01 PM)
will that 60K be split into 70:30 in EPF, being 30% of that 60K in A/c 2?
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I think yes. The purpose of EPF is to help an individual to save money for retirement, not for interest earned in the short term.

 

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