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hullabaloo_bard
post Apr 7 2014, 04:50 PM

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Dear all,

Need your independent opinion on my financial status and how can I improve further.

Basically, I'm 26 this year and working at a Bank.

My Incomes:

Net Salary: RM4,500
Rental income: RM1,250 (1 year contract starting April 2014)

Total: RM5,750

My expenses:

Housing loan: RM1350
House rental: RM360 (inclusive utilities)
Car loan: RM450 (Preve)
Food & Groceries : RM600-RM1000 (Let's take RM1000 to be prudent)
T&G: RM100 (Use LRT to work)
Insurance: RM250 (Medical and use the insurance to cover housing loan if anything happen instead of taking MRTA. Hence, need higher limit and therefore higher monthly commitment)
Phone & Astro: RM100 + RM60
CC installment: RM480 (will end in August and September this year.)
Car Oil, Maintenance, Parking: RM300

Total: RM3,990

Surplus: RM1,760 roughly

Savings & Investment

RM10,000 in shares (only in UMW Oil & Gas counter) and RM1,000 in UT (Kenanga Syariah Growth Fund, put in last week with annual return of 23.12%)

Background

I can do saving but I'm bad in managing my expense. I always use my saving or CC to buy gadgets. I was in huge debt of around RM11K last month. As my priority is to rid off CC debt first, I have used my EPF and deposit from my tenant of RM3K to settle the CC debt.

Now, I'm almost CC debt free. So, I can now focus to build up my saving and investment portfolio.

My target

I prefer to put my money at places that force me to save/invest or hard for me to withdraw out my fund. That is why I invest in property, UT and shares.

At the moment, I'm in the process of applying another housing loan but it will not cause any CF constraint coz the interest will be capitalized for 4 years i.e. during construction period. Have to pay around RM2200 starting from Year 4. I want to invest into this property coz besides no significant impact on my CF, the construction period is pretty long which allows me to save on RPGT if I want to flip it once it is completed.

I can't put my money in ASB (I'm Malay btw) coz my dad is using it for his retirement fund. It has reached the allowable limit.

Btw, I may get married next year. So, may require significant sum of money for that of around RM15-20K. The makan-makan side will be sponsored by parents fortunately.

What's now

So guys, what do you think should I do with the excess fund of around RM1,760? Should I put everything into investment and withdraw the fund when I need it for my wedding?

Or should I put separate fund for investment and wedding?

And on the investment, what kind of investment should I focus on? I am leaning towards UT though...

This post has been edited by hullabaloo_bard: Apr 7 2014, 04:54 PM
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post Apr 7 2014, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Apr 7 2014, 05:18 PM)
even ASB2 quota is fully utilized?
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Tq. That's an option. So, should I put everything in it first or based on proportionate basis?
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post Apr 8 2014, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(sonicbull @ Apr 7 2014, 10:50 PM)
You can consider options below:
1. Keep 3-6 months of your monthly expenses as your savings,more if u r planning to get married n buy a new house
2. Invest in PRS, private retirement scheme
3. Reduce your expenses
4. Pay more into your housing n car loans to reduce interest paid
5. Pay off your debts first then transfer your income to another savings account which u will unlikely to withdraw
6. Aim to save more every month
7. Do your own research online. Check out bfm ringgit n sense podcast
8. Wish you all the best thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Apr 7 2014, 11:46 PM)
A good idea  smile.gif

Is a good idea to investing is PRS, but always caution PRS has guideline only can take out after retirement. So becareful if didn't allocated to investment which not available to catch out when time need.
I also invested in PRS provided i hv allocated emergency money, investment (non PRS)  in UT Equity or BOND and stock.

Its important to understand type of category early of investing, to avoid get caught in middle.
This also know as diversity the investment rather putting all the egg in single basket.
It applicable to UT and even stock, to avoid the risk of loosing all the investment in single basket.

Knowledge Bank Interest, also one key saving. Car loan using fix rate while housing loan is calculated daily, varying every quarterly by BNM revise the OPR.

If you hv debt of car loan rm50k using fix rate and housing loan rm50k using daily interest, Borrower must know more loan repayment at daily interest able to save/avoid paying more or longer term to the bank.

Juz my 3sen to addup the point above...which a good idea to save and invest. (Saving and Invest carrying different terminology)
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Tq for the suggestion.

Would it be wised if I use the surplus of RM1,700 according to below approach:

Saving: RM700
UT: RM1,000

*Will not invest in shares anymore coz of my trigger happy attitude.

So, by let's say by May next year, I will have:

Saving: RM8.4K (So, the remaining wedding fund will come from other sources like bonus)
UT: RM13K (inclusive existing UT of RM1K)

One more thing, should I rather use fund for UT for ASB2 first or maybe split 50/50?

This post has been edited by hullabaloo_bard: Apr 8 2014, 10:28 AM
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post Apr 8 2014, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Apr 8 2014, 10:45 AM)
if you are BUMI and ASB2 is more capital protection compare other UT.

50/50 is spliting total saving or split etc other investment ?
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50/50 on investment.

No use I put my wedding fund/savings of RM700 in ASB2 when I will still take it out next year.
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post Apr 8 2014, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Apr 8 2014, 11:00 AM)
oic...
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So, based on your opinion, will it be good? Or should I park the my saving/wedding fund into ASB2 first?
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post Apr 8 2014, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(cynthusc @ Apr 8 2014, 12:38 PM)
I would not advise buying another property. When BLR goes up your monthly payments will also increase. You should use the surplus of RM1760 to pay off your credit card as soon as possible as any return you receive from ASB will not cover the interest that you are charged on your credit card.

My advice is that you should double up your payments on your credit cards for the next three months so instead of August/September, you will finish paying up your credit card debt by June.  After that you will have freed up an additional RM480.00. Then you will have a surplus of RM2240.  If you reduce your expenses further especially in items like food and groceries (RM1000 is excessive for one person.  You should be spending less than RM500 per month for one person). Why are you paying for a car but using LRT?  Transportation costs alone is RM850 per month.  My point is that if you can reduce your expenses by another RM600, you will have a monthly surplus of RMRM2840.00.  If you save RM2840 per month into your ASB2 and assuming that you get a return of 6% per annum, at the end of twelve months you will have RM38,000.00 ++

RM38K is enough for you to have a simple wedding and with extra left over. If you continue to save like this for 3 years without withdrawing, you will get RM115,000.00 in 3 years. And this is not even including any bonus or increments that you may have received in 3 years.  If you are the type that need to be "forced to save" just get the bank to autodeduct it from your salary every month to ASB.  I think RHB has that facility.
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On the property, it will have no installment to be paid for the first 4 years and it will not eat up my RM1760 until Year 4. So, by the time the installment starts to kick in, I may able to cover it with my salary increment or just sell it off.

About the CC, it is not a outstanding sum. It is under CC installment for scheme for my laptop and hp. So, still has to service the installment of RM480 every month.

On the groceries, yes I know it is on the high side (roughly RM33 per day or RM11 per meal). The lowest I have tried is RM600+. Will try to drop it lower.

On the transportation, I still use car during weekend and sometimes go back to kampung in Melaka. And, one more thing, Preve drinks fuel like nobody business specifically during traffic jam. Need to figure ways to reduce this transportation cost.

About the ASB2, it can be done using simple standing instruction to Bank.

This post has been edited by hullabaloo_bard: Apr 8 2014, 12:55 PM
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post Apr 8 2014, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(td00164306 @ Apr 8 2014, 01:54 PM)
Assumptions made are: i) You get enough increment over the next 4 years to maintain the same cashflow even started the new property loan repayment. ii) You will be able to sell it off at a good price. The next question you need to ask yourself would be: Can I manage it during a bad time? Say retrechment or any critical event in life. From what I read, you basically have zero cash now and you are planning to get married soon. What is important now is to bulk up your bank account before looking into any investment option. Investment comes with risk and are you sure you want to invest your wedding fund? In the worst case (and unlikely) event that your money got locked in, what can you do? Cancel your wedding plan?
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QUOTE(cynthusc @ Apr 8 2014, 02:40 PM)
Is the property that you intend to purchase under DIBS?  As far as I know from 2014, no DIBS is allowed and you will need to service the interest.

IMHO what you intend to do is risky as you are buying base on what you think you can afford in 4 years time. What if you lose your job? What if you don't get the increment you are hoping for? What if the project is abandoned? What if you can't find a buyer to buy the Property after the end of 4 years? What if you can only make less than RM50K if you sell it? If you have at least 12-24 months salary saved up with no credit card debt, that is risk you can afford to take. Looking at your savings now if any financial setback happens, you are ill equipped to weather the storm without family help. Even now looking at the Property you bought your return on investment is negative. Your monthly repayment is RM1350 but your rental is RM1250 and it is only for a year. What if the tenancy is not renewed? At the moment you barely have enough to pay back the security deposits you got for the unit (as you have used it to pay your credit card). Always buy what you can afford now.

Installment for your HP and Laptop? Is there a reduction in interest if you pay early? The point is you should pay it early to reduce interest and increase your surplus savings now. 

Reducing your food cost is simple. Just eat 2 out of 3 meals at home.  Healthy meals can be prepared for a much lesser amount. 

If you only use on weekends and occasionally to Melaka, the car is not essential. Get rid of it or discuss with your fiancee as to how you can be a one car family.
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About the house, it is not under DIBS. Its under bank package where the interest during construction will be capitalized during construction period.

On the return on property, yup, it is negative now. It is a landed actually and the yield for landed not as good as condo. Now the value is plus minus RM100K above the purchase price. The value still does mean anything CF wise coz it is just a paper gain.

About the food, I'm have under weight issue. My weight is just 48KG. So, need to consume food at above average level. Will figure out how to replace current consumption with cheaper replacement.

About the car, still have to keep coz I still need to use it occasionally for work purpose. Not feasible to use only one car in future coz different working hours most probably. I work in the Bank and she works in hospital.

About CC installment, will get penalty for early settlement if not mistaken. Will continue to pay it monthly coz as long I pay on time lump sum every month, it is interest free.

So, I guest I need to focus to buck up my savings first.

And the next question is....

Should I:

1) Stop investing first and solely focus on bulking up my savings until it reaches certain limit; or
2) Do investment and savings on 30/70 basis with favor towards savings; or
3) Do investment and savings on 50/50 basis.

And I guess the best place to do saving is through ASB2. Right?

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post Apr 9 2014, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(td00164306 @ Apr 8 2014, 04:18 PM)
If you can access to ASB2, then just go all in once you have some backup funds for your living (minimum 3 months of your monthly expenses, ideally 12 months).
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QUOTE(cynthusc @ Apr 8 2014, 11:51 PM)
IMO you should save first. Save up to 12 months worth of expenses or salary before investment. Do it with ASB as it is pretty liquid.

Tips for food to bulk up. Eat frequently and cook. Did you know with just RM15 you can cook a whole chicken with rice and plenty of vegetables? Enough for 2 meals. Wet market and online recipes are your friend.
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Tq guys smile.gif . Great to have somebody to kick around some ideas. I guess I have to prioritize my fund towards savings first before anything else.

 

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