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post Mar 29 2016, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(Musikl @ Mar 28 2016, 08:26 PM)
Hello everyone!
Thought of seeking some opinions from fellow forumers on my financials.
Ok here we go.
Income gross: RM4.8k/m (RM4.3k net)
Side income: RM1.5k/m (average)
Last years UT dividend: RM9k
Monthly spend: RM2k/m (fnb, train, car, utilities)

Commitments,
Car: RM 625
Personal Loan: RM 1125
ASB Loan: RM568

Im planning on buying an apartment for rental investment. Property at RM200-220k (havnt neg), and rental could get RM800-1100. Monthly maintenance is RM55.
Bank valued the property at 200k which means ill have to top up the rest, and if loaned 180k, id be paying about RM880.
My plan is to price the rental at RM700 per month, and that the tenant would need to provide 6months of deposit.
I know its low but this is a basic unit, my plan is next year to renovate it abit and set the rate higher. First year id like low risk on the tenant.
What are your opinions on this venture?
26 now and planning on keeping this unit for 5years++
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hi, first of all, im not some pro financial guy, just here to offer my opinion
im quite impressed with ur achievement at ur age(side income,UT,etc), I think the property investment is a good choice. 200k can rent at 800-1100 is very good, can cover ur loan installment. you don't even have to pay a cent.
I don't think is good idea if u planning to rent out at low price in the first year only so that you can rent it out faster/easier, better research whether renovating the unit and rent out higher is better or not, ask the agent/neighbor around that apartment.
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post Mar 29 2016, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(Musikl @ Mar 29 2016, 05:00 PM)
Thanks for the opinion.
Regarding the first year rental, ill check with the current tenants, see how much they're paying at thr moment. From there ill decide what to put. I just need this rental income for a year so that banks can take this as additional income, and would make any future borrowings easier/increase my credit limit.
But yeah ill make more local insights research. Hehe
Targeting 10k or more by 30!!
Thanks again!
Ill get back to you after I seal of the deal 😆 Heh
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from what I know, there is some apartment/condo studio room which cost 200k+ can rent out around 1k+ to students,
that area got college and U. it is a good investment, but im not sure where is the one u looking at la. sweat.gif
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post Mar 30 2016, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(Musikl @ Mar 30 2016, 08:23 AM)
Even if the rate is rm300 cheaper? Say most of the ads state the rental to be around rm1000, would you go for high rental low deposit, or high deposit (but not rediculously high <5k) and pay alot less monthly rental? Thing is, the tenant can report to tribunal if the owner doesnt return the deposit, but just make sure it is stated in the contract. Im not entirely sure what the owner can do if the tenant runs away with say 2 motnhs owning. So the 6months deposit balances out tenant/owner's risks. Isnt that fair?
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the 6months deposit doesn't make sense to me unless the condo/apartment is very highclass, what is the exchange for tenant? eventhou the rental is lesser but u bind the tenant for 6months deposit, and how many months early notification u need if tenant wan to move out?
a lot tenant doesn't wan to go thru the hassle of reporting for deposit not return by owner, and most of the time the deposit will be directly deducted as last 1 or 2 months rental, and tenant can go after that.

just my opinion
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post Jun 21 2016, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 21 2016, 10:40 AM)
The key word here is 'savvy'. I'm not referring to people who buy properties with the herd mentality.

A savvy investor would have a financial back up plan to service the 4 loans in the event home loan interest rates go up.

My rule of thumb when purchasing properties is in a worse case scenario, I must have sufficient finances to pay off the monthly loan for at least 18 continuous months without the need to rent, sell or unlock other investments. If not, that property investment is not for me.
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I agree with cybermaster98,
there are 2 categories of loan: bad loan and good loan

mortgage are good loan, and also study loan, provided u know how to handle ur own finance like cybermaster said.
if not. then every loan is bad loan for u
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post Jun 21 2016, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(kengyan @ Jun 21 2016, 01:43 PM)
But from your way of saying, your "asset" is still on paper, right? Not yet cash out.
If you are referring to this, then my NAV is at rm20M which is way more than yours.
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means if u wanna sell all ur assets/property and pay of all debts. u will still have 20m cash? is this wat u mean ? hmm.gif
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post Jun 21 2016, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(kengyan @ Jun 21 2016, 02:37 PM)
Yup, that's right.
I have my manager having rm30M of NAV, but if really cash it out, that's only rm600k.
Saving money no doubt it will be way slower, but then it is still real cash. My terrace house that I'm staying only cost rm130k when I bought it and now it can easily shout for rm800k but bank only put a value at rm600k. So I can always make my NAV higher by using rm800k as calculations.
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nice. can I ask how old are you right now? cuz ur NAV is quite large thumbup.gif
130k --> 800k terrace house. I would imagine the house was bought >10years ago?
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post Jun 21 2016, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 21 2016, 04:20 PM)
U need to learn how to calculate NAV the CORRECT way. Its not just based on rubbish bank valuations of your property and surely isn't some imagined figure.

And if ure really having a NAV of RM20mil, u will surely not be on this forum talking about settling bank loans for a terrace house.

Lets argue with real facts shall we?
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hi cybermaster98, sorry for interruption. i thought NAV is all assets u have - all liabilities u have = NAV
example:
asset=
house1 market value: 1m
car1 market value: 100k
savings: 100k
total asset = 1.2m

liability=
mortgage for house1: 500k
car1 loan: 90k
creditcard loan: 100k
total liabilities: 590k

NAV = asset-liability = 1.2m-690k = 510k (is this correct?)hmm.gif

can u enlighten me the correct calculations of NAV?
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post Jun 21 2016, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 21 2016, 04:58 PM)
Your calculations are correct.

The only differing bit is how you evaluate your property. It should always be based on average actual transacted property sales. I usually have a buffer of 10-15% when I evaluate my property value based on transacted prices.
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I see I see. thanks for the info.

QUOTE(velo @ Jun 21 2016, 05:21 PM)
Yea, it all depend what is one purpose of calculating NAV. If only for "syiok sendiri" and own ego, you can add all the junks to it and blow up the figure. smile.gif

But if it is for making big decision like business venture, large investment or decision to retire early, then better to be prudent....
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actually its not for syok sendiri saja imo. how u view ur NAV can effect how u financial planning. sweat.gif
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post Jun 27 2016, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(Ascendant @ Jun 27 2016, 06:46 PM)
Hi all,

Just wanna throw a general question while I'm feeling light headed waiting for buka puasa: Can an average person acheive financial freedom without owning or investing in property?

Re: Property investment. I hate managing tenants. Repairs and delayed payments drive me crazy. Not to mention various costs associated with property like maintenence fees, agent commission etc. Of course, properties main advantages are it's the best hedge against inflation and one can leverage aka 10% downpayment to control 100% of a property. But at current property prices where most properties are negative cashflow, I feel it's not worth the headache anymore.

I'm thinking of two alternatives:
1. Focus on flipping. Resort to renting out only if I am unable to sell.
2. Get a shoplot (my salary not enough to get loan for a multi-million shoplot but I know of a banker and a consultancy firm who offer 'creative ways' for me to get loan approved)

What do you guys think? Any feedback or alternative suggestions?

1. I do have a substantial portfolio of shares - somehow making and losing five and even six figures in shares is less stressful to me than managing tenants. But I also have enough experience by now to know that to really make a killing in the stock markets you need to be either very lucky or take extraordinary risks that could leave you a pauper.

2. I still have a partially owned landed house after selling other properties. So I probably don't have to stay under the bridge when old.
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sorry. not a professional here.
but cant u just let agent manage ur property? like finding tenants n handling tenants request hmm.gif
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post Aug 17 2016, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Aug 17 2016, 10:21 AM)
flex.gif i do that for a few months then it dies down hahaha as usual.. sad.gif whistling.gif
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u need to understand n know more financial knowledge and concepts (save early, compound interest, etf, etc),
then only u can see the important of saving/investment for yourself.
after u see the important of it, u will plan ur financial n future. at least this is how i go thru. smile.gif

and regarding ur signature.
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In theory, getting richer is a simple calculation: earn more, spend less.
But in practice, it’s harder than it sounds.

you wont get rich just by just savings, and also it depends on how u define rich. sweat.gif

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post Aug 17 2016, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Aug 17 2016, 01:39 PM)
innocent.gif  i have been financialy savvy since age 18.. Just, sometimes i see better food, i choose those..
Dint have the suffering experience in my past to motivate me..
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wow. i wish i learn financial knowledge since young, then i can plan for my future earlier.

eating good food doesn't mean you are not saving.
maybe you can try to budget portion of money for good food/fine dining and only spend within the budget.

some people can be very skim and suffer (eat cheap,spend cheap, etc) to save alot,
some people budget their spending according to what is comfortable to them and still save decent. smile.gif
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Aug 17 2016, 01:56 PM)
bruce.gif agreed, but youngster nowadays, either don't bother or don't care..
None of my friends are interested in investing / saving..

i think what i need is a accountability partner..  cry.gif
I am 21 now.. And I think I am not really doing much saving still..  whistling.gif  unsure.gif
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yes. most of them dont understand the importance of that
still living pay-cheque by pay-cheque.

maybe u should set short term goals -> long term financial goals.
example like. saving emergency fund (6months of salary) by 2017 end. then after that, money are use to invest. thumbup.gif

a partner is good. but not everyone have same mindset n financial goals.
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post Nov 28 2016, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(nescafe86 @ Nov 28 2016, 11:27 AM)
guys, is there latest version?
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i think this is the main thread,
u can ask ur question here. thumbsup.gif
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post Nov 29 2016, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Nov 29 2016, 01:01 PM)
Nice. I also still learning new tricks on managing personal finance. I already cut down quite a lot of entertainment but still. laugh.gif doh.gif
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put a portion (10% or more if u can) of ur salary into saving first once u get ur salary.

start tracking ur expenses,
make budget for each category of expenses eg. food-rm1000, entertanment -rm200, etc
spend within the budget.


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post Nov 30 2016, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 29 2016, 06:43 PM)
Saving is good but will never be enough. Saving alone will still result in significant 'losses' in the long run because in the current economic climate especially here in Malaysia where our money is being 'eaten' by high inflation and rising cost of living.

So even though we may be saving but our purchasing power is drastically reducing daily. The only way to offset this is by growing your savings by prudent investments which give you a min return of 10% per annum.
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true, just giving example how to get started in personal financing,
u wont be asking him to invest straight up if he dont have any saving/emergency fund eh

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 29 2016, 09:26 PM)
Well just 10% of salary is not enough..
U need to make sure the 10% can give good return..
If not, our inflation & cost of living will kill it..
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yes, of course 10% is small, but its a good start

QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 29 2016, 09:23 PM)
Bro,
Wat is the reasonable inflation numbers to use when prepare personal budget?
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malaysia inflation rate is less than 4% in 2016

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/inflation-cpi

but of course the data is there, but how we actually feel about the inflation rate higher

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post Nov 30 2016, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 30 2016, 09:18 AM)
4% inflation rate is such BS..
It's way higher than that..
I feels like its 10% above..
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QUOTE(ytan053 @ Nov 30 2016, 11:17 AM)
Honestly speaking, for a long term annual inflation rate, 3.3% to 3.5% is a reasonable figure. We as financial planners do not use even 4% because imagine if we were do calculation for retirement for our clients for a period of 15 to 20 years, the result will be there no matter what the client do, there will never be enough for retirement, ever.

We are talking about long term inflation rate on the main/common basket of food, not just specifically on teh tarik or GST or specific item. Hope this clarifies and helps.
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QUOTE(deadravel @ Nov 30 2016, 08:54 AM)
malaysia inflation rate is less than 4% in 2016

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/inflation-cpi

but of course the data is there, but how we actually feel about the inflation rate higher
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i did say the data is just data, how the ppl feels is totally diff case

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post Nov 30 2016, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 30 2016, 11:44 AM)
There is no feeling involved. The facts are clear. The inflation is MUCH HIGHER than the 4% claimed by the Gov. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see this.
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yeap. thumbsup.gif

u have any suggestion on how to get started in managing personal finance?
for newbie like me, with very less experience in investment stuff.
currently im looking into investment in ETF (long term), and also invest into high dividend stock, any suggestion?
property investment maybe will come later

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post Nov 30 2016, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(ytan053 @ Nov 30 2016, 02:23 PM)
Personal financial is not only about investment. It is also about managing your debt, your retirement planning, investment planning, risk management (like insurance), tax planning, estate planning, children education (if any). Because there is no point you investing in somewhere which the return is lower that the interest rate you are paying for your credit card debts and housing loan.

Cybermaster not only manages investment but risk as well. This is very important because the fact that investing in high risk products can mean risking your money that you might not get back your capital at all. So there is thorough study and research to be done before selecting the proper investment
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 30 2016, 03:09 PM)
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i have started monitoring my daily expenses, cut down unnecessary spending,
currently i am building my emergency fund of 3-6months, still a bit more to go. insurance aldy have
and i am learning more financial knowledge and investment knowledge,

next step is to invest.
so basically i have to know my risk appetite then only i can select the investment vehicle that suit myself thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(NGV22 @ Dec 28 2018, 02:21 PM)
I want to build my 6 months emergency fund as my first step towards savings. My expense is currently around RM3k per month, which means I have to save around 18-20k emergency fund.

Currently I have rm10k sitting in a 1 year FD (3.35%) and going to mature in mid March next year. I also have a few savings here there and combined with this FD, I will be having rm15k by March.

What should I do with the RM15K? continue with FD? But sifus here like @Ramjade said FD is a waste of time. Putting into ASM is suitable as emergency fund?
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emergency fund are for "emergency", place them at somewhere u can easily access it.
if u placed in fund/ut, there might b withdrawal fee or loss when u wanna withdraw for emergency use.
if fd, the most u get is no interest for early withdrawal gua.

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