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dasecret
post May 3 2016, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(engtat @ May 3 2016, 07:30 PM)
This is my friend case, and I am proposing him to take EPF money to settle personal loan via his current semi-flexi house loan.

Personal Loan amount: RM15,000
Personal Loan Interest rate: 11.0%
House Loan Interest rate: 4.4%
EPF Interest rate%: 6.4%

Suggesting him to withdraw money from EPF Account 2, and take the money from his semi-flexi house loan account to settle personal loan.

Is it possible? Once EPF made the payment to my friend's house loan account, there is no difference than own money deposited to house loan account right?
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Not really. If it is first time withdrawal, it is possible to get the amount issued in a cheque (I think, not very sure) to your friend's name. In that case he can do whatever he wished with the money.
If the amount is paid to the bank by EPF, it would be considered a partial settlement of the homeloan and the amount is separate from the normal flexi advanced payment. So the EPF withdrawal amount cannot be taken out from the flexi account. This would be the case for withdrawals other than first time withdrawal.

QUOTE(sniperz @ May 3 2016, 07:35 PM)
Account 1 also can right? I mean with unit-trust.
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Account 1 investment in approved unit trust cannot be taken out as cash. Even if you sell the unit trust the money goes back to EPF account 1

Would be more than happy to hear how you can get around the rules though
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post Jun 21 2016, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 21 2016, 09:30 AM)
I wouldn't call that a smart move. You are still with the old mindset of paying off home loans fast. But it was valid back then cuz home loan rates were about 7-8% unlike the current 4%+.

What's the point of having a fully paid up house? Your value is stuck on the house and u cant touch it unless you sell/refinance. Its just a feel good feeling that you have a fully paid up home.

If u were a savy investor, u would know how to utilise loans to grow your money and your NAV faster. I would rather have 4 properties on loan (with high capital appreciation) vs 2 fully paid up properties.

We should focus on growing our money not saving. Saving is a very slow process towards financial freedom. Learn to diversify, invest and grow your NAV. You can achieve a much faster growth rate than just saving.

I grew my NAV by RM1.8mil within 9 years using this method.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 21 2016, 09:36 AM)
Fully paid house will free up your cash flow. That thinking of having lots of house on loans is exactly what cause the US crisis.

If something unforseen were to happen, can you service 4 loans at a time?
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You need to strike a balance to pull this off. When it worked, it's very rewarding like cybermaster's case. Worked out well for many during 2009-2014. Now would be a bit risky, but not saying it can't be done. Leveraging is a powerful tool when used right.

You need to have a plan, emergency funds to address the cashflow risk if you lose your job or something; and be very selective with the properties you choose. Don't get greedy and start buying 10 if you cannot afford
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post Jun 23 2016, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 23 2016, 08:34 AM)
Nope I don't need 'ideas' to get my point across. Facts are sufficient. You clearly didn't get what I was trying to say. Nobody said life=money. You made that equation yourself.

We're talking about risk here and everything we do is a risk but we still go ahead and do it because we have evaluated the probability and impact of that particular risk and have adopted mitigation measures to reduce or eliminate that risk.

Its the same with investments. Nothing is guaranteed but we don't and should never sit back expecting the worst and therefore adopt the 'money under the pillow' mentality.

Investment is NOT gambling. Are you trying to say a savvy investor is also a gambler similar to those at Genting? Come on. You can't be that naïve.  doh.gif

'Investing' without proper risk evaluation and mitigation IS gambling. But smart investors never gamble with their investments neither do they 'hope' their investments pay off. That's what a gambler does. Learn the difference.
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I don't know why you bother to explain so much to someone who clearly is not going to accept a different way of looking at things tongue.gif

It's like trying to explain the cons of capital protected/guaranteed investments to most people. Waste saliva whistling.gif
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post Jun 23 2016, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 23 2016, 01:30 PM)
Here we go again.  rolleyes.gif Btw the capital protected/guaranteed investments is always "kuota penuh" and in huge demand whenever there available(snap up quickly) = majority of chinese people still favour it despite what you say. rclxs0.gif
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Nah, I'm not even talking about your fav ASx fixed priced fund. If you, or anyone else vested, bother to read their master prospectus, you would have read that the prospectus clearly states that the fund value is not in anyway guaranteed. Of course you could argue the fund price does not change; but if ever the sh*t hits the fan, the truth is BSN, Bank Rakyat, PTPTN and Tabung Haji depositors have a bigger chance of recovering their money than ASx funds....

But I was told it's not going to happen wor rclxs0.gif

Now, for the benefit of the rest (although I seriously doubt anyone would change their mind by just reading what I write) what I'm talking about are those insurance savings plan; or those structured product with 95% capital protected etc. If you study those products, the likelihood of your earning significantly higher than FD interest is close to none. The concept is simple, in order to guarantee/protect your capital, the risk that can be taken has to be limited, and therefore there would be limited upside as well.

So if like that, with a long investment timeframe, why don't I accept some risk and create a diversified portfolio which would unlikely return me less than 100% of my capital and yet have a lot higher chance of getting higher returns. Yes, I may lose money on foreign equities, but I should make some money off local equities and bonds or vice versa
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post Jul 25 2016, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 25 2016, 11:54 AM)
Exactly bro. This fellow is your typical 'pusing cerita' case. He fights with anybody who dares to stand up to him and his nonsense. Even forumers on other threads have fought with him because of his nonsense. Except for his comments on electrical drills, he doesn't know anything about financial management and he just boasts about stuff he doesnt have. Who in the right mind would claim having a NAV of RM20mil and yet not be able to secure a loan for a simple double storey house?? Even the banks know he doesnt have good finances and yet he talks as if he is somebody. Typical tin kosong la tis fellow.

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Funny we had 2 renovators who came to challenge all the finance threads taikors claiming they know better than everyone else; supersound first and kengyan now....

They seem to be active in different renovation traits though, else I would think they are just alter-egos brows.gif
Both likes to call names which makes them stand out from everyone else
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post Jul 29 2016, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 29 2016, 09:13 AM)
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Eh, ru going for the RHB Private Equity Opportunity Fund 1?
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Minimum investment RM100,000
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post Aug 4 2016, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Aug 4 2016, 01:25 PM)
Yup, F1 - Formula One for all.  smile.gif

Spend and live within your salary.

... the harder part is making sure your wife does the same too.

( smile.gif  will I be getting flames for that last sentence? Well, maybe not - they are out shopping, not reading financial forums... )
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biggrin.gif LOL-ed at the last sentence
You would be surprised my other half is the one not saving enough and shopping too much

It really depends la, and upbringing is very very important
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post Aug 18 2016, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Aug 18 2016, 11:13 AM)
thumbup.gif  great post! Well, i think it's my own perspective,  sweat.gif but my spirit is willing, but flesh is weak..
sweat.gif in a way, i did plan for the future, to grow my investment in the long term, yet in the short term, I give in  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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I save reasonably well, and at the same time I do enjoy some finer things in life. So perhaps I can advise better than those who are on the other end of the spectrum.

Sounds to me like you need a budget, how much can you save sustainably. There is no point trying to live frugally while feeling very miserable. In no time you would go back to the same old bad habit

You need to first want to do it - decide how much is your saving target, how much is your 'fun' budget. You can even set a annual performance based bonus for yourself, if you achieve your annual savings target, take out a portion for a real splurge like a fine dining experience or something you really wanted. But to do that your savings target has to be a stretch target la

U sound like you are still quite young. The first advice I always dish out to those who just started working is, focus on your career, and the money would come naturally. And when you have higher income, you get to enjoy finer things in life too. Personally I don't aspire to retiring early. I secretly believe that I contribute positively to the society doing what I do, so it's a loss to the society if I leave the work force while I can still work

 

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