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cynthusc
post Apr 2 2014, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Mar 25 2014, 12:28 AM)
Hi sifu and all members. I didn't managed to read anything yet but I will start soon as I'm in the midst of UAT for my company's app.

A short info about me:
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Situation:
1. Will be getting married thus we need to find a new home (either rent of purchase). My thought would be find one nearby our working place as it will cut a lot of travel time and fuel cost. Problem being is that my soon to be wife would not want some maid to be looking after our child (if we are lucky and we are hoping to get a child as normal as a parent would get). So, what we can do is find one nearby Taman Melati and send the child to her mother to look after thus travelling everyday from Taman Melati to TTDI.

2. Car. I don't have car and I want to buy one. Suggest either we need to find a 2nd hand car or purchase a new one that wouldn't put much burden on our financial capability. My current thought is to not buy a first hand car which usually cost somewhere around RM 600++ per month for a 9 years instalment, instead just buy a 2nd hand car and pay RM400++ for 5 years.

3. Investment and paying PTPTN. Since both of us are working in private sector, we need to have pension scheme, investment, savings etc. I have one in mind which is investing is DANA EKUITI PRIMA FUND under ETIKA. It's a Protection + Investment + Savings plan. And we do need to pay our PTPTN too.

I will start reading and hopefully will get some insight myself on my current situation but I really appreciate inputs from sifus.  thumbup.gif
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My advice:-

Take home pay for both H & W is RM5200.00

1) Since you are a newly wed and young, I suggest don't have kids first for the first year. Having kids to early puts a strain on both your finances and marriage.
2) Don't buy a car unless you have kids. Move nearer to TTDI. Look at Flora Damansara Apartment. Look at Block E,F or H which is medium cost. You can buy a bumi unit quite cheaply at about RM160K for 800sq feet. Auction units can be cheaper. From Flora Damansara it is just a 10 minute bike ride to TTDI using the Pencala link. Since its your starter home, don't worry as in 5-6 years time you will be able to buy a better place.
3) Get a medical card for both. There are some plans that are RM600-RM700 per year.
4) Calculate all your debt and determine its interest rate. If it is low like 3-4% per annum, then pay it slowly.

Suggested budget
1) RM2500 (ASB savings. Don't take ASB loan, your return on that is much lower. If you just pay monthly into your ASB you are getting 7-8% per annum in return)
2) RM800 for accommodation (rental or bank repayments)
3) RM250 for bike repayment
4) RM200 for petrol for bike
5) RM110 for medical card for both
6) RM500 for Food and other necessities
7) RM150 for tel and utilities
8) RM690 PTPTN loan (if your monthly is lower or higher adjust accordingly with your contributions to ASB)

In one year you would be able to save RM30,000.00 + interest. In one year you would be more prepared to have kids or in one year you will have the downpayment for the apartment. The point is don't try to do everything at once. If you buy car, buy apartment and have a kid all at once, you will find yourself financially strapped and will start resorting to credit cards and personal loans. Choose one goal and go for it. Take a short break and then the next goal.

If you and your wife's salary increases by 10% every year and you put most if not all into your ASB, in 3 years time you will have RM100,000.

cynthusc
post Apr 3 2014, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Apr 2 2014, 05:52 PM)
would he not be better off taking ASB loan to fully utilize his quota?

Example if his nett return is 3% after deducting his 'cost' (loan interest and what not), 3% of 100k is 3k better than him not getting anything while saving up to fulfill his quota.
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I think you have to crunch the numbers. Unless he has zero in his ASB account, he is better off saving his money in ASB on a monthly basis. Furthermore, if he takes 100K, that 100K is taken as a debt load in determining the amount of loan he qualifies next time.

If he has 10K in his account and he saves RM2500 per month with interest rate of 8% per annum he earns more than if he has 100K and he earns only 3% per annum and he pays RM2500 per month to pay the ASB loan.

If his loan repayment is 40 months for 100K the interest he earns at 3% per annum is RM10,354.68
If he has 10K in his account and pays RM2500 per month for 40 months and earns 8% per annum then the interest he earns is RM17,288.22.

Another disadvantage of ASB loan is that the RM2500 installment that he pays per month will be taken into account by any bank in determining the debt to income ratio.
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post Apr 8 2014, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(hullabaloo_bard @ Apr 7 2014, 04:50 PM)
Dear all,

Need your independent opinion on my financial status and how can I improve further.

Basically, I'm 26 this year and working at a Bank.

My Incomes:

Net Salary: RM4,500
Rental income: RM1,250 (1 year contract starting April 2014)

Total: RM5,750

My expenses:

Housing loan: RM1350
House rental: RM360 (inclusive utilities)
Car loan: RM450 (Preve)
Food & Groceries : RM600-RM1000 (Let's take RM1000 to be prudent)
T&G: RM100 (Use LRT to work)
Insurance: RM250 (Medical and use the insurance to cover housing loan if anything happen instead of taking MRTA. Hence, need higher limit and therefore higher monthly commitment)
Phone & Astro: RM100 + RM60
CC installment: RM480 (will end in August and September this year.)
Car Oil, Maintenance, Parking: RM300

Total: RM3,990

Surplus: RM1,760 roughly

Savings & Investment

RM10,000 in shares (only in UMW Oil & Gas counter) and RM1,000 in UT (Kenanga Syariah Growth Fund, put in last week with annual return of 23.12%)

Background

I can do saving but I'm bad in managing my expense. I always use my saving or CC to buy gadgets. I was in huge debt of around RM11K last month. As my priority is to rid off CC debt first, I have used my EPF and deposit from my tenant of RM3K to settle the CC debt.

Now, I'm almost CC debt free. So, I can now focus to build up my saving and investment portfolio.

My target

I prefer to put my money at places that force me to save/invest or hard for me to withdraw out my fund. That is why I invest in property, UT and shares.

At the moment, I'm in the process of applying another housing loan but it will not cause any CF constraint coz the interest will be capitalized for 4 years i.e. during construction period. Have to pay around RM2200 starting from Year 4. I want to invest into this property coz besides no significant impact on my CF, the construction period is pretty long which allows me to save on RPGT if I want to flip it once it is completed. 

I can't put my money in ASB (I'm Malay btw) coz my dad is using it for his retirement fund. It has reached the allowable limit.

Btw, I may get married next year. So, may require significant sum of money for that of around RM15-20K. The makan-makan side will be sponsored by parents fortunately.

What's now

So guys, what do you think should I do with the excess fund of around RM1,760? Should I put everything into investment and withdraw the fund when I need it for my wedding?

Or should I put separate fund for investment and wedding?

And on the investment, what kind of investment should I focus on? I am leaning towards UT though...
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I would not advise buying another property. When BLR goes up your monthly payments will also increase. You should use the surplus of RM1760 to pay off your credit card as soon as possible as any return you receive from ASB will not cover the interest that you are charged on your credit card.

My advice is that you should double up your payments on your credit cards for the next three months so instead of August/September, you will finish paying up your credit card debt by June. After that you will have freed up an additional RM480.00. Then you will have a surplus of RM2240. If you reduce your expenses further especially in items like food and groceries (RM1000 is excessive for one person. You should be spending less than RM500 per month for one person). Why are you paying for a car but using LRT? Transportation costs alone is RM850 per month. My point is that if you can reduce your expenses by another RM600, you will have a monthly surplus of RMRM2840.00. If you save RM2840 per month into your ASB2 and assuming that you get a return of 6% per annum, at the end of twelve months you will have RM38,000.00 ++

RM38K is enough for you to have a simple wedding and with extra left over. If you continue to save like this for 3 years without withdrawing, you will get RM115,000.00 in 3 years. And this is not even including any bonus or increments that you may have received in 3 years. If you are the type that need to be "forced to save" just get the bank to autodeduct it from your salary every month to ASB. I think RHB has that facility.
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post Apr 8 2014, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(hullabaloo_bard @ Apr 8 2014, 12:54 PM)
On the property, it will have no installment to be paid for the first 4 years and it will not eat up my RM1760 until Year 4. So, by the time the installment starts to kick in, I may able to cover it with my salary increment or just sell it off.

About the CC, it is not a outstanding sum. It is under CC installment for scheme for my laptop and hp. So, still has to service the installment of RM480 every month.

On the groceries, yes I know it is on the high side (roughly RM33 per day or RM11 per meal). The lowest I have tried is RM600+. Will try to drop it lower.

On the transportation, I still use car during weekend and sometimes go back to kampung in Melaka. And, one more thing, Preve drinks fuel like nobody business specifically during traffic jam. Need to figure ways to reduce this transportation cost.

About the ASB2, it can be done using simple standing instruction to Bank.
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Is the property that you intend to purchase under DIBS? As far as I know from 2014, no DIBS is allowed and you will need to service the interest.

IMHO what you intend to do is risky as you are buying base on what you think you can afford in 4 years time. What if you lose your job? What if you don't get the increment you are hoping for? What if the project is abandoned? What if you can't find a buyer to buy the Property after the end of 4 years? What if you can only make less than RM50K if you sell it? If you have at least 12-24 months salary saved up with no credit card debt, that is risk you can afford to take. Looking at your savings now if any financial setback happens, you are ill equipped to weather the storm without family help. Even now looking at the Property you bought your return on investment is negative. Your monthly repayment is RM1350 but your rental is RM1250 and it is only for a year. What if the tenancy is not renewed? At the moment you barely have enough to pay back the security deposits you got for the unit (as you have used it to pay your credit card). Always buy what you can afford now.

Installment for your HP and Laptop? Is there a reduction in interest if you pay early? The point is you should pay it early to reduce interest and increase your surplus savings now.

Reducing your food cost is simple. Just eat 2 out of 3 meals at home. Healthy meals can be prepared for a much lesser amount.

If you only use on weekends and occasionally to Melaka, the car is not essential. Get rid of it or discuss with your fiancee as to how you can be a one car family.
cynthusc
post Apr 8 2014, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(hullabaloo_bard @ Apr 8 2014, 04:09 PM)
About the house, it is not under DIBS. Its under bank package where the interest during construction will be capitalized during construction period.

On the return on property, yup, it is negative now. It is a landed actually and the yield for landed not as good as condo. Now the value is plus minus RM100K above the purchase price. The value still does mean anything CF wise coz it is just a paper gain.

About the food, I'm have under weight issue. My weight is just 48KG. So, need to consume food at above average level. Will figure out how to replace current consumption with cheaper replacement.

About the car, still have to keep coz I still need to use it occasionally for work purpose. Not feasible to use only one car in future coz different working hours most probably. I work in the Bank and she works in hospital.

About CC installment, will get penalty for early settlement if not mistaken. Will continue to pay it monthly coz as long I pay on time lump sum every month, it is interest free.

So, I guest I need to focus to buck up my savings first.

And the next question is....

Should I:

1) Stop investing first and solely focus on bulking up my savings until it reaches certain limit; or
2) Do investment and savings on 30/70 basis with favor towards savings; or
3) Do investment and savings on 50/50 basis.

And I guess the best place to do saving is through ASB2. Right?
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IMO you should save first. Save up to 12 months worth of expenses or salary before investment. Do it with ASB as it is pretty liquid.

Tips for food to bulk up. Eat frequently and cook. Did you know with just RM15 you can cook a whole chicken with rice and plenty of vegetables? Enough for 2 meals. Wet market and online recipes are your friend.
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post Jul 18 2014, 05:52 AM

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How to be financially free? Simple. Make smart decisions. Save 10-20% of income when starting out. If starting salary is RM2K then save RM200-RM400 a month. Adjust expenditure within the RM1600-RM1800.

After 5 years let's say salary has increased to RM4000 then savings should increase to 30% to 40% i.e. RM1.2K to RM1.6K which leaves disposable income to RM2.4K to RM2.8K which is a nice amount.

In another 5 years let's say income has increased to RM8K then savings can be increased to 50%@RM4K pm with a disposable income of RM4K.


If a person starts work at the age of 23, by 33 you will have a small nest egg to buy a medium size apartment.

Of course there are many factors that may derail this plan especially bad decisions like marrying an unsuitable partner or having kids without family planning. Good decisions reduces risk.

This post has been edited by cynthusc: Jul 18 2014, 05:59 AM
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post Nov 20 2019, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(Jakku2187 @ Nov 18 2019, 07:00 PM)
Hi All. I have been following this thread for sometime now.
Would appreciate greatly if I can get some advise on achieving my financial goals (get a car, married and own house to stay).

28 years old
Nett Pay: RM6,400
Other Income from Rental: RM 1,500
(Own 2 properties - low cost flat renting for RM 500, condo renting for RM 1,000)


Monthly Expense -
Property Loan: RM 3,500
Parents: RM 500
Food: RM 850
Petrol: RM 150
Insurance: RM 500
Misc. (Travelling, Yumcha/Alcohol etc.): RM 1,000

Savings: RM1,400 a month roughly

Investment Portfolio: 20k in stocks, 20k Cash as backup, Fully paid off low cost flat worth 120k, EPF 100k

Strategy should be to increase income and lower costs.

A brief summary of myself. Working in MNCs for the past 6 years and still living with parents.
I am currently in a relationship which explains why there is some travelling and higher than usual food cost.
Owned an old car for more than 10 years fully paid for, breakdown occasionally and planning to get a new car soon.

Had ventured into multiple "investments" that you can think of: stocks, FX trading, FD, MLM, properties, unit trusts and even some gambling activities, as I was willing to take huge risks since I was young at that time.
Only get burnt from these so called "investments" and the only 1 out of those that help generate some money is properties due to rental collection and even then I regret in purchasing a condo that is really far away and only get little rental yield from that.
Still losing money from stocks but planning to diversify my portfolio.

Planning to get married soon and I am worried that I will fall further into debt after getting a new car. Might even delay few years in getting a new place to stay even.
Having high salary increment/promotion could be difficult, as my company struggling in this current economic climate. Might even considered to move on to increase my pay.

Would really appreciate your thoughts/advise on how I can improve my own financial management.

Thank you.
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Strategy is two fold. Increase your income (which may not be possible immediately) and reduce your cost.

Your income is RM7900 so 44% goes to your property loan. I would sell the condo and free up at least 3.5K per month. 3.5K is for a property more than 800K?

I don't think you should buy a new car until you earn more or sell the condo. If you can free up the 3.5K and reduce your insurance and monthly expenses by another RM400 you will have RM4300 left over. You can share the cost of buying a new marital home with the wifey (if she is working) and invest more.

This post has been edited by cynthusc: Nov 20 2019, 02:09 PM
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post Feb 8 2020, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(Reonix91 @ Feb 6 2020, 08:11 PM)
Greetings folks, just looking for your prospect and insights.

Here's a few details :

I'm aged 28 currently and working in retail.

Gross salary RM 4,000- RM 8,000
Its pretty random as its basics with commission and allowance.

Monthly expenses (Food, groceries, work related etc) RM 800
Parent RM 300
Rental RM 250
Car loan (Share with siblings) RM250
Insurance RM 210
Phone RM 50
Internet RM 100
Electric RM 100
PTPTN Loan RM 230 monthly (Left RM 17,000 more)
ASNB I max up to RM 200,000 (RM1,000 per month I paid) roughly. Been paying for 2 years already

Above are my total expenses.

As for my saving, I managed to save up to RM 184,000 in a saving account

also cash on hand RM 25,000

as for EPF : RM 70,000- RM 80,000

Just wondering should I park all my saving maybe RM 150,000 into my sibling ASB? with the dividend I receive per year, I can use it to pay for property if I'm looking for one within this 1-2 years? I personally think I can save RM 50,000 or more so that I can pay for 10% for property. What are your thoughts or move? Your advice highly appreciated.
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If you have 183K in savings why did you take an ASB loan? ASB interest is around 6-7% per annum but you are only getting 3-4% with ASB loan. Putring the whole 183K in ASB will net you better returns

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post Feb 10 2020, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(Reonix91 @ Feb 8 2020, 04:19 PM)
Never thought I could save this much, I just took the ASB loan just for force saving by monthly cut off. Consistently save 3-4k sometimes 5 per month in saving account, now I'm kinda puzzle by what should I do with this fund. Do you think its a good idea by putting all fund in ASB, and use the dividend to pay for property monthly? I'm looking forward to buy property but need a lot of homework and considerations. Also I need to find at least 10-15% down payment to make this happen. Thats why I'm looking any advice from any sifu here smile.gif
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If you can redeem the loan without too much penalty do it because by putting 183K in ASB you are getting a return of RM10,980 per annum (@6% p.a.) For ASB loan half of that goes to the bank so your return is close to what others are getting from FD. In 5 years you would get RM61800 in interest but only half of that in ASB loan.

For property, look at landed as condo's are overpriced and have not much capital appreciation. Developers are pricing their products way too high. Seeing that you can save an average of RM3.5K per month, the property that you can afford should not be more than 750K. Save 20% of that and you are ready to buy as 20% is enough for a downpayment, legal fees, stamp duty and simple renovations.

 

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