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SUSPink Spider
post Feb 19 2014, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Feb 18 2014, 08:52 AM)
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Wong Seafood,

Care to comment a bit?

Just did a calculation of my investment portfolio...and the discovery...

Equities and equity funds: 82%
Bond funds (excluding MM and cash and FDs as emergency reserves): 18%

KLSE stock portfolio 2:1 diversified UT equity funds
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post Feb 19 2014, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Feb 19 2014, 11:57 AM)
Total investments (including EPF and EPF-invested into funds/stocks boh?):
Fixed Income: 18%
Equity: 82%
EPF excluded

2. can we OUT LAST the dips or market irrationality?
ie. not forced to sell to meet requirements, "need selling"

me - my personal approach is to manage it is by:
3.  having emergency buffer + investment assets strictly separated, thus i can make my Fixed Income to ZERO or near that if necessary to buy ultra depressed equities
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My 12 months emergency buffer is excluded from the FI 18:82 EQ calculation, which only takes into account my "investment assets" i.e. stocks and mutual funds meant for investment. Even my cash in trading trust account and in Cash Management Fund are excluded. I don't incorporate those cash into the equation cos those are like my "working capital", go up and down depending on my monthly cash flows and how much I went drinking in a particular month.

Wait, do I read wrongly...YOU WILL USE YOUR EMERGENCY BUFFER TO BUY ULTRA DEPRESSED EQUITIES???
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First of all, thanks for the long-winded detailed reply notworthy.gif

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post Feb 19 2014, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Feb 19 2014, 08:08 PM)
older ppl get longer winded mar  laugh.gif
anyhow, no - i wont touch my emergency funds for investments.
when i said that i'm even willing to go "fixed income" 0% and up my Equities in extreme value, i mean "fixed income" portion of my investment assets.
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Ok, let me recap, do correct me if I got your lecture points wrong...

- if emergency buffer are sufficient and clearly distinguished from investment assets, u can go gung-ho with your investment assets when ka-boom comes i.e. go 0% FI 100% EQ
- 18% seems like too low allocation to fixed income, I might not have enough dry powder to go firing all cylinders when armageddon comes
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post Feb 19 2014, 08:37 PM

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Wokie seafood wongmunkeong!

*redo portfolio structure calculation to incorporate Cash Management Fund and cash in trading trust account*
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post Jul 18 2014, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jul 18 2014, 05:14 PM)
yes based on below assumptions

your net spending is approx. 50k a year

your interest gain from ASB (i assume 6%) - 40.8k per year
your interest gain from FD (i assume 3.5%) - 24.5k pear year
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Where did u see ASB blink.gif

and LOL on the "I am a gay male" doh.gif laugh.gif

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post Sep 12 2014, 10:07 AM

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Use of personal loan to cover credit card debt is the most stupid idea ever.

Do the IRR calculation to get the real EFFECTIVE interest rate on personal loan and you will know.
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post Sep 12 2014, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 12 2014, 02:52 PM)
Credit card has the highest interest rate... that's why we should try to convert any credit card debt to a personal loan, if the loan has a lower rate.

(Not too sure whether there's any fees or extra charges when applying the loan.... so need to take this fees into account if any...)

Looking it in another way, the flat rate in a personal loan would have to be about 10% to be higher than the credit card rate of 18%

To pay a balance of $10,000 on a credit card, by paying a monthly sum of $650, you will pay it off in 18 months, and had paid a total interest of $1,455.13.

Using an online calculator, a comparable monthly installment is:
10% flat rate, 18 monthly payments of $647.22, total interest of $1,500.00, and effective interest rate of 18.17%.

The flat rate conversion calculator at this link: http://loanstreet.com.my/calculator/flat-t...h.ewuejaEb.dpbs
I think you mean to say it is not worth to take a personal loan to invest.

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FOLKS,

NEVER USE CREDIT CARD as a sort of AUTOMATIC PRE-APPROVED loan.
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Don't compare with PLs offered to government servants, my calculations were based on PLs available to normal folks.

The effective rate of PLs are higher than CC's IF u pay on time every month i.e. u do not hit the highest interest rate bracket.

Try calculate yourself wink.gif
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post Sep 12 2014, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 12 2014, 03:20 PM)
So what's the normal PL, higher than the 10% flat rate I shown as an example?

Had never taken any personal loan (yet)... but always got calls from the bank people offering to credit cash into my account, and the offers were getting lower and lower from about 6% down to less than 5%.

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Okay, let's say you can pay on time every month... and the interest rate is 15%
Again using the online calculate, we need to hit 8.2% to get 15.01% effective interest.
I think the person you reply to was on another topic already...  smile.gif
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"Normal" PLs flat rate from 0.75-1% per month, that works out to 9-12% p.a. FLAT, if calculate effective rate, sure higher than credit card lower brackets.
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post Sep 12 2014, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 12 2014, 04:01 PM)
so, what's those calls I got... the last offer was 4.5%... no documents required... just say yes over the phone, and $10k will be credited into my account... scams or offers to entice people who don't need PL at all...

... and so high interest for those who really need a loan.  smile.gif
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Haven't u heard before...banks won't offer loans to ppl who really need it, they only offer loans to ppl who don't need it (but those whom bankers view as potential good paymasters)? biggrin.gif
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post Sep 15 2014, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(Jumee @ Sep 15 2014, 03:53 AM)
Hi, may I know which Life insurance company is good , and did anyone can recommended a good life insurance agent as well please? Thanks
Currently I already have a medical card .
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try roystevenung
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post Sep 17 2014, 01:58 PM

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insurance don't "cheat"

insurance is a contract. u pay ABC amount, u get XYZ coverage, it's all in black and white. It's all play of words...it's all law of contract

if u don't read the policy WORD BY WORD and all the fine prints, and then did not get the claim, u did not do your homework, it's not fair to brand insurers as "cheaters"

key - KNOW what u are buying/signing up for wink.gif

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post Nov 20 2014, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(lonelywalker @ Nov 19 2014, 09:55 PM)
Why avoid medical insurance? May I know what is your concern and opinion?

For my understanding, if anything happen to me, at least my medical expense can be covered by insurance, correct me if i am wrong.
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Use government hospitals. Don't spend rich man money when u are not a rich man.
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post Nov 20 2014, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Nov 20 2014, 09:34 AM)
2. insurance is necessary, i would say... but you don't need to pay RM200 monthly for a good medical insurance. at your age, <800 (a year) is more than sufficient to get a decent one. also if your company covers a decent medical benefit, i would say this can be put on hold a bit, or get a medical insurance with high deductible, then you pay little for potentially high coverage. if your company doesn't cover, then, might need to think about it asap. like i said, insurance doesn't have to cost much, just need to find the right one.

3. PRS is basically investment in unit trust. the difference between PRS and normal unit trust is tax relief (up to RM3k)... and PRS doesn't allow withdrawal before age 55 (similar restriction to EPF). since you are not paying a lot of tax, the tax savings you get is not worth locking up your money for so long. BUT... there's the PRS youth incentive which is why i'm putting just enough money (Rm1k) just to get that youth incentive (RM500).

so, unit trust can be another way of investing, and you can DIY, and please visit the Fundsupermart thread to read up on what the regulars have to say and DO YOUR HOMEWORKlaugh.gif

PS: i'm your age, not sifu either. also... the other guy has an absolute hatred on insurance, very extremist opinion.
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+100 for that laugh.gif

As on insurance, get ADEQUATE NECESSARY insurance.

Many if not most people bought insurance that they do not NEED, e.g. if u are single and got no dependent (e.g. parents are loaded and do not have to rely on you at all), you don't need life insurance. And don't say that "when u buy young, u pay cheaper premiums", insurance companies employ professionally-trained actuarial graduates who know how to price the premiums so that at the end, they still earn the same amount from u (hint: time value of money. u pay lesser, BUT u start paying earlier, at the end, it's STILL the same whistling.gif ).

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post Nov 20 2014, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Nov 20 2014, 01:14 PM)
Money will self depreciate as told by insurance agents, but they never tell you the dirty fact : insurance will depreciate faster than money.
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Agreed.

When I just graduated, I bought a life+critical illness+disability insurance with Sum Assured of RM60,000. That's quite a lot back then.

I'm now 30++, no prize for guessing how much my net worth have appreciated since then - I don't really need this insurance anymore, as anything bad happens to me, my dad can live off my net worth.

Please take note that CRITICAL ILLNESS can only be claimed when u are already half dead/one foot in the grave. Still want that money for what? Eat no taste already, drink also cannot, give u 3 wives also cannot enjoy already. doh.gif

Disability? I've already told my friends and relatives to drop me off Genting Sempah cliff should one day I become an OKU. tongue.gif

But I'm keeping it still as this plan were generating investment returns in excess of EPF dividend rate if kept to maturity/keep until 50 years old (last time I checked, IRR >6-7%, yeah I know my IRR calculation wink.gif ), so I'm just keeping it as an "additional EPF".

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post Nov 20 2014, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Nov 20 2014, 01:26 PM)
Most insurance agents do not mention the fact that the company is taking up to 125% of the insurance premium paid over the first 6 years - 25% for the first 2 years, 21% the following 2 years yada yada until it reaches 125%... the figures are stated in the policy but the agents do not mention it unless asked due to not wanting the prospect to second-guess their own decissions.
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I know that, that's why I mentioned "...investment returns in excess of EPF dividend rate if kept to maturity/keep until 50 years old" wink.gif

U also another honest and frank wealth advisor. I salute u notworthy.gif

Unker roystevenung, kenalkan tongue.gif

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Nov 20 2014, 01:35 PM)
Thank you. Well yeah that's what you become when you do not put all your business in one basket. 

Anyway, you may also want to look into the funds your insurance company is investing in, the management fees (what is the percentage) and consider that the policy has a policy fee of RM70 (++???) a year and if it is worth your input-investment or not. The EPF returns are nett, while the insurance returns are... wow, so many fees here and there I take some time when reviewing clients old policies myself.
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Well, the one I have is not an investment-linked policy, so its not that transparent. All I see on the annual statement were (guaranteed) cash values, dividends and interest and total cash value.

When I bought the insurance, I have a full illustration of cash values (that scenario A vs scenario B thingy). I used the numbers of the optimistic projection and calculated the IRR, it's around EPF returns. It's been a few years already, and the ACTUAL cash value is actually better than the optimistic projected numbers. I guess this is good enough to keep as an additional investment/cash reserve/retirement fund. smile.gif

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post Nov 20 2014, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Nov 20 2014, 01:42 PM)
Noted, well good for you. Keep up tracking your portfolio. Anyway that's the funny thing about investments with insurances, im sure you get updates every now and then in the form of mails, but if you do not take the initiative to track your funds, you could end up with a surprise decades down the road.

UT has that issue too until they introduced online UT tracking like in Fundsupermart and even PM (they resisted doing it, and among the last to do it)
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That's why, DIY wealth management is NOT suitable for people who put in near-zero effort.

If u lazy, please engage a professional tongue.gif

Or else, don't rant and bark when your money disappears into thin air whistling.gif
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post Nov 20 2014, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Nov 20 2014, 01:45 PM)
So why we want to buy insurance? That's why I cancel all totally.
The agent is his relative, every month sharp on the same date she will come.
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U need insurance when you have little net worth AND u have dependents.
That's why best to buy cheap TERM insurance to cover the period when u actually NEED the insurance.
Once u don't need it anymore, cancel/terminate.

For people who cannot save/invest, insurance is still a viable option though tongue.gif

Relative? I don't even want to buy from a friend, cos I hantam ppl no give face wan. wink.gif
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post Nov 20 2014, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Nov 20 2014, 02:25 PM)
My EPF money are more than enough to cover their expenses for the next 20 years.
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What if they outlive that 20 years? tongue.gif
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post Nov 20 2014, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(lonelywalker @ Nov 20 2014, 08:21 PM)
Agree, I often use government clinic and my father using govt hospital service for his cancer treatment.
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My late mum too.

Those life-threatening diseases like cancer, I doubt medical card limit can cover much too. Gotta go to government hospitals.

Reserve medical card for not-so critical sickness when u prefer to stay at more luxury private hospital and layan by pretty nurse brows.gif

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