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Dividend Magic
post May 2 2015, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(GoldenHorn @ May 1 2015, 05:31 PM)
Hi guys,

I'm currently having 9k in my Tabung Haji account.

I'm planning to get married at the end of this year, and have been thinking to put my money in short term FD. My friend said probably I can put my fund into 3- month FD, then bring out it again, and put the fund again into same 3 mth FD, to grow my fund.

can I actually do so?
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Yes you can. Even a shorter one month FD is possible.
To make it easier, set it to auto renew after it matures.
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post Dec 13 2015, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(~HL~ @ Dec 13 2015, 06:20 PM)
Hey guys , I just started working yesterday as a part time cashier.

My salary is RM10/hour and I work for 8-10 hours a day.

I'm just 17 this year and I have no expenses for now except eating.

May I know what can I do with my salary (expect to be RM2k a month) to multiply it ?

I've thought of either forex or stock trading.
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What do u know about those two options?
And have you a general idea on how to start trading?
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post Dec 13 2015, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(orangbulu @ Dec 13 2015, 09:15 PM)
At your age, the best investment is in your education
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Don't think age is really a variable sweat.gif
But yeah, you should at least know the basics before investing or you will lose your money.
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post Dec 14 2015, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 14 2015, 11:13 AM)
less chance is nOT "you will not lose your money"
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I did not say u will NOT lose your money.
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post Dec 14 2015, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(Alex.Jy @ Dec 14 2015, 06:45 PM)
Hello guys & Sifus here, I am currently in the midst of creating a portfolio for my future plan, and I realise that there isn't much people in my friends and family know about money especially when come to personal finance. So I would like to ask for some advise / opinion which might can help to improve or revise about my plan for future.

I am now 23 & single, stayed with parents and handling family business and my own businesses, got not much expenses for myself cause my businesses cover 80% of my expenses. Which generate approximately 10k as earned income for myself.

My plans is to inject money into this 4 category of allocation ( I use 150,000 for example)
1. Saving : 20,000 (I just need 10k for personal use & able to cover myself for 3mth)
2. FD : 25,000 (Short term 4month)
3. Dividend Stocks : 65,000 (7% annually)
4. Property Fund : 40k (to purchase new house for rental)

I am looking to create some cash flow portfolio instead of capital gain portfolio.

So here is my plan, but any way for me to make the money work harder?
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Hi Alex,

Your plan looks solid, I'd suggest changing your FD to a shorter term ie. 1 month and split it into 4 separate FDs.
This should give u enough liquidity. Next, withdraw your RM20K savings and dump em into category 3 ie. Dividend stocks, or if u prefer, your property fund.
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post Dec 15 2015, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(Alex.Jy @ Dec 15 2015, 11:23 AM)
Sounds good in enhancement but was thinking of any way to expand another way to generate income as these allocation might be steady but way too conservative. Any other options for me to study more into new "production line" of money?
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What ideas you currently have?


The bane of us all is time I would say. If you have extra time, try to maybe look for other business opportunities or reinvest into your businesses. But as this is more of an investment thread, stocks and shares will be your best bet for growth.


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post Dec 15 2015, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Dec 15 2015, 11:51 AM)
hi bos..u got any bluchip stocks for dividend yield..hehe
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The usual big names are all there for your choosing, banks etc.
Have a look at REITs. Prices have been falling recently.
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post Dec 15 2015, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Dec 15 2015, 02:28 PM)
well looking at ur nick & blogs just wanna see what ur view on dividend stocks

with falling prices quite good time to accumulate defensive stocks like this

ur view..among big names wats ur top 3 picks boss  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Sorry my friend I don't do stock picks.
Have to decide that one for yourself =)
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post Dec 15 2015, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(kelvinftg @ Dec 15 2015, 07:27 PM)
I have a very optimistic plan. That is to put money into an eFD monthly for 4 years. From 5th year onwards, compounded funds to be placed in yearly tenure FD (higher interest), while still committing to a monthly 1 year tenure eFD.

At the end of the sixth year, I aim to be able to achieve >RM500,000 taking into an estimated consideration of a property being sold at net profit of RM150,000 around Year 4 or 5.

Year 1: RM3,000/month
Year 2: RM4,000/month
Year 3: RM4,000/month
Year 4: RM4,000/month
Year 5: RM5,000/month + RM150,000 (property net gain)
Year 6: RM5,000/month

This is the general idea, but obviously I do not want to place all eggs in one basket only relying on FD. Please give some ideas on how to split investments based on the above commitments. Thanks.

Purpose of this is to see what are my options for short term (non-retirement) saving + capital growth.
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Please factor in inflation into your plan. Then you will see that your actual 'gains'.
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post Dec 15 2015, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(kelvinftg @ Dec 15 2015, 09:21 PM)
I don't really want to factor that in as as these funds is primarily to grow to RM500,000 in about 6 years. Just trying to see what other options there are apart from FD?
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Ok as long as you understand that the same house that cost RM500K now will be worth way more in the future. Putting your funds into FD is not an investment in my humble opinion.
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post Dec 21 2015, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 17 2015, 02:32 PM)
For what when we have FSM. How much is your SC?
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Exactly.
If TS is looking to invest in Mutual funds, look no further than Fundsupermart.
Alternative to that would be shares.
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post Feb 11 2016, 11:20 AM

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Hey, no this thread isn't dead =)

QUOTE(bookstore @ Feb 10 2016, 11:41 PM)
Wondering if this thread still active.

Background
Coming into age 30 and planning to get married in 2017.
I foresee my income will decrease 20% (incentive base) this year given the market slow down.
Very low risk appetite with almost 0 financial knowledge.

Monthly Income and Spending
Salary: RM22,000
Rental Income: RM1,100

You're in the high income category, even with the estimated 20% decrease in salary. It's time to increase your passive income, I suggest you do this based on the investments you're comfortable with and most knowledgeable in.

Saving: RM9,000 - RM10,000
Parent, Siblings: RM3,500
Food, Entertainment, Shopping: RM4,000
Car Related (Fuel, Parking, Maintenance): RM1,200
Phone, Streamyx: RM150
Medical Card: RM250
Life Insurance: RM750
PTPTN: RM300

You're savings almost 50% every month and that's fantastic, not many people are able to do that, keep it up. I don't see any problems with your other expenses as well, considering you salary, your entertainment expenses of RM4K a month is fine.  I'd suggest you take advantage of the discounts PTPTN are giving and pay off your loan.

House Loan 1: RM3,000 installment (own stay)
House Loan 2: RM1,100 installment (rented to couple)
Car: fully paid. 2nd hand national car
Credit Card / Personal Loan: no outstanding

No problems here either, just consider settling your own home loan asap.

Savings
RM130,000 cash placed in House Loan 2 (flexi loan).
RM100,000 FD

I did a quick calculation and came to a net savings of around RM7K after taking into account your installments. (which isn't bad)
I'd consider your RM230K as your emergency funds and they are sufficient.
This leaves your investment in your 2nd property, which is netting you ZERO. You've not even taken into account the maintenance fees, taxes and misc. costs. Not sure what the value is now if you sold it off though.



For 2016, I am considering to (but I am worry about $$$ for future wedding, family, kid)
i. Place 10,000 investment in stock market - high dividend stocks
ii. Invest 1 additional sub-sales property < 300,000. Required deposits and miscellaneous of 100,000

If you're into stocks, consider reading up on it. After that, with your savings, I'd suggest you do a monthly investment from RM2K to RM5K. Not sure what industry you're working in, but leverage on your expertise if you can.


Any recommendations or suggestions from sifus?
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post Feb 11 2016, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(bookstore @ Feb 11 2016, 03:20 PM)
@Dividend Magic

What is the healthy level for emergency funds? I.e. putting aside 6 / 8 / 12 months of salary?

Do you think getting 1 additional property (use up RM100,000 of cash as downpayment and miscellaneous) will stretch up my cash level? Or it is better to use the cash to payoff House Loan 1, to reduce bank interest charges?

Thanks.
Emergency funds I'd say depends on your risk taking habits and age. At 30, you're considered young and not much of a risk taker from what I can tell. So 6 months should be quite enough. However, since you already have about 230K in savings, I'd say use that as your buffer and save up more to invest.

As for you purchasing another property, if you're going to get another one where your mortgage payments will match your rental, I'd say forget it. Wait for better deals to come along, you always want a positive cash flow on your rental property. Instead, purchase high yield stocks, maybe you can consider REITs. You can then compare the returns you get from REITs against actual physical property.
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post Feb 11 2016, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(ashx @ Feb 11 2016, 04:32 PM)
ah Bali is nice. Well good luck in budgeting that. 😅

Again I'm no expert, I'm learning along the way. DM is way more knowledgeable.

As for emergency fund, other alternatives is ASB or ASx products.it's about 6% pa.
as for child,  depending on your willingness to hands on. I might suggest splitting life/med insurance away from investment link policy.

Get maximum coverage what you deem is fair up till 20 years old maybe? then put the rest to mutual funds. follow exactly which funds the insurance company is investing. walla! you have yourself a diy investment link insurance plan 😅

I wish we had the options like now earlier in my years. we can do our own investment via FSM/eUnit for mutual fund.

do share what you come up with. I'd like to know what you decided
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I'm also learning my friend heh sweat.gif

Yea TS, do share and update us. What this thread lacks are follow ups and updates.
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post Feb 13 2016, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(bookstore @ Feb 12 2016, 01:03 PM)
I agreed with you regarding the property. There are no positive cashflow from 2nd house at the moment, as rental = mortgage installment. Instead, I am paying RM150+ monthly maintenance fee. Highly likely I will not get 3rd property at the moment, due to uncertain market sentiment and no good property in my mind now. It is better to keep additional cash for coming weddings (as buffer).

I will put aside RM3k per month (allocation of 50% high yield stock / 50% REIT). Once I accumulated RM20k - RM30k in stock market, I will stop , comparing return and review this stock plan.

I would say this is relatively conservative plan, but within my comfort zone. What do you think?
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Sounds good, review it quarterly or half yearly. If you keep it up for lets say 10 years, you'll find your portfolio can be a sizeable sum. Aim for RM100K, then RM1 million, you'll be well on your way to retirement then.
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post Feb 13 2016, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Feb 13 2016, 05:32 PM)
Just a follow-up question on this subject : if one already has a sizeable cash or other liquid reserves, would it be advisable to purchase property as a "hedge against inflation" - is this still a valid strategy ?
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There are many school of thoughts as to what investments are good hedges against inflation. Personally, I find managing and tending to matters relating to property a huge hassle (I own 2 units of low cost apartments). People are drawn to property mostly because of the potential huge capital gain when they sell. But do keep in mind that you're taking a 90% loan for properties most of the time, if people started taking 90% loans for shares, they'd be getting those huge returns as well. Do a simple calculation and find out the ROI when u purchase a property, then compare that to a 6-7% dividend yield of a REIT.

Of course, to each his own and this is only my opinion, there are many successful people out there making their fortune from properties. I'm lazy and prefer to leave the management to professionals ie. REITs.
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post Feb 29 2016, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(jrkt @ Feb 29 2016, 09:07 PM)
Not sure where to post, so here I am again. Just realize the importance of personal financial management, hope its not too late to start. Need advice from fellow gurus on financial priorities. All comments are welcomed, I am here to learn.

Background

Living in KL
1. Me, 25, salary 2.6k, no debt.
2. Partner 25, salary 2.5k, ptptn loan 31k.  cry.gif
3. Monthly saving 1.5k to 2k after all the obligations.
4. We only have joint saving of 21k and few k in epf. No portfolio (please kill me), mainly because we are financial illiterate and  our risk appetite which is very low.

What we want

1. Retire in Melaka.
2. Low cost house to live in, preferably 100k~200k, the lower the better.
3. Marry by 30 y/o, will not have children, just us for the rest of our life.

What we think need

1. Eliminate ptptn loan.
2. Emergency fund.
3. Insurance.
4. A sound portfolio.
5. A retirement plan. (not sure if this is included in the portfolio, would be great if someone can point out for me)

This is what we came out with on what we should focus right now, but the problem is we do not know where to begin.  Please advice and thanks in advance!
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Hey jrkt,

It's better late than never, you're only 25 so you've still got a long way to go.
I like that you're specific on what you want.

Questions off the top of my head:

1. Do you have a specific retirement age?
2. When you say low risk appetite, how low can u go? tongue.gif

On to your queries:

1. Regaring your PTPTN loan, pay the minimum monthly which enables you to get the 10% discount if the discount is still there. The interest from PTPTN is quite low and there's nothing to worry about there.

2. Emergency funds, yes. From many of the previous posts, try to keep a 3 month buffer for yourselves.

3. Speak to the many experts here in the forum. Since u dont plan to have kids, maybe focus on your hospitalisation and surgery insurance.

4. What kind of portfolio? Do u like shares? Properties? Unit Trusts?

5. The plan depends on your monthly expenses now and when u plan to retire. Maybe u can provide those figures? I can come up with a rough calculation for you. Also I'm a certified financial planner and if you need a more detailed plan, you can always buy me coffee and I'd be more than willing to spend some time to go through your plan. No charge. biggrin.gif


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post Mar 1 2016, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(Belphegor @ Mar 1 2016, 12:50 AM)
Hi Dividend Magic, seen you helping so many people, would like to seek for your advice as well.

I am currently serving my notice period. The next job would gain approximately RM3000 after deduction. I am planning to do some restructuring on my finance since I could not save much in my current job. I do have a partner and planning to get married in 2018. She's earning around RM3800 after EPF and we are planning to get a house with the budget of RM500k. In my next job, I am planning to force save RM1000 from my salary and use whatever that remains. Have plans on doing fashion business but have no idea where to begin.

Under my name I have house and car debt. Both added up close to RM2200. Good luck for me, I am not paying the installments so I have the full control of my own money. For now the one thing that might generate income in future is my investment from Eastspring for RM150 per month. Just started like 2-3 months ago. Do have plans on increasing the ES investment or sign on other investments but not sure which is more suitable for low income like myself. sad.gif

Would like to ask what should I be doing with the force save RM1000? Do I go for emergency fund first, save up to six months then only consider other investments, or I break into few parts and invest on multiple places? My property friend asked me to invest on houses, but don't think I have the capability of doing so as my name is pretty much "debt ridden".

EDIT: Currently I am asking for 11% in my new company. Should I drop to 8% and channel those remaining 3% into investment/savings?
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Hi Belphegor, just doing my part and hope I am of help.

Force saving and paying yourself first is a very good idea. The RM1K is from your side I hope, maybe your partner can do the same as well.
The money you saved should be used to purchase assets that can generate you income. I know nothing of the fashion industry so I won't comment there. But going into a biz, I would like to assume you know everything about it and you will make money. If u don't know where to begin, please don't waste your money.

I take it that you're investing RM150 per month into Eastsprings? May I know if it is Unit Trusts?
I am personally not a fan of UTs as the fees charged are exorbitant.

You should save up to maybe around RM20K first. Wait for the right opportunities. No use rushing into investments for the sake of 'investing'. Do not break up your savings into small amounts and invest in everything. For one, you will waste too much time monitoring your investments, secondly you will be paying through your nose in fees.

I'd say you continue with the 11% epf payments. Until you can find an investment that suits you, keep it in EPF. This is not because I have total faith in EPF, but I believe they are much more capable than the avg investors like you and I. Take the time to read up and educate yourself. Find out what are the investments that suit you. The ones that you will still love even in horrid times. tongue.gif
And then invest.
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post Mar 1 2016, 03:11 AM

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QUOTE(Belphegor @ Mar 1 2016, 01:31 AM)
Wow, thank you so much for replying me at this hour. Wasn't expecting a reply that quick. laugh.gif

As you mentioned, money saved should be used to purchase assets that can generate income. Do you have any examples that I can put my money into? As for the Eastspring, it is UT. My sister, she works as an insurance agent so she recommended me that. I would actually want to be sleeping partner in fashion business and since I have marketing knowledge, thought I can get into it and be back end support. tongue.gif

And last, any websites that can enpower myself in finance management?
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Haha, sometimes I stay up till the morning.

Like I said, you have to find investments you understand and have a passion for. Something you can take control of and handle.
To each his own, I personally have no love for UTs, you may very well succeed with it.

As for your personal finance, there are tons of resources out there. May I suggest the book The Millionaire Next Door.

Also, feel free to join our little FB group, you may even find your partner there XD

https://www.facebook.com/groups/malaysiastockinvestment/

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post Mar 1 2016, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(Belphegor @ Mar 1 2016, 12:06 PM)
That's share right? Don't think I would be going for it at anytime in near future. Need to spend some time to learn more on self-sustain + savings for future use. laugh.gif When there's a passive income on the side, will consider going for shares.
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Passive income from shares is in the form of dividends. =)

THIS is what I received in January as passive income.

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