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adele123
post Nov 20 2014, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Nov 20 2014, 09:49 PM)
how much is the average premium for a basic medical card?this wont cover medicalcheckup right,just hospitalisation?
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Average? If you want an idea of how much it cost, it depends on how much insurance you buy and also your gender and your age. i can suggest you to simply grab a brochure ONLINE and you can look it up. as easy as ABC. Don't need an agent.

and yes, just hospitalisation. i haven't heard of medical insurance covering medical check up. but then, even if they do chances are it's already factored-in in your insurance premium.
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post Nov 20 2014, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Nov 20 2014, 09:49 PM)
well... like everything in this world, there's a limit. we can't have EVERYBODY flocking government hospital and people not buying insurance and not going to private hospital... then government can't sustain the healthcare bill... price increase... everybody lose...

yes thankfully, with government hospital and also semi-private like ukm/um we managed the bill for 2 rounds of chemo for my dad. otherwise... ya, we wouldn't be able to afford it cause my dad ain't got insurance...

yes, about the reducing expenses thing, we can't have no spending as well... something needs to drive the economy... HAHA  biggrin.gif anyway, yes i do spend very little, but you know, just saying... so i encourage my friends who make money than me to continue spending  tongue.gif

so yes, i still think medical insurance is necessary... because i don't want me to burden others like how my dad sort of became a burden... and well, when one is sick, one deserve some privacy and comfort after all...

BUT seriously, did you check with your employer? do you work in a big-ish company and check with HR about your benefits? like actual hospitalisation benefits...

also... when you are at the point of being approach by an agent, and seriously considering to get one, just drop by the forum insurance thread to get some input.
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I do have medical card from my company, yet i forget about the policy, just read it once and very confidential one lol, cannot simply pick up and read again.

Entitle to hospitalism yet many procedure need to go through, you know la company claim not easy to get XD
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post Nov 20 2014, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Nov 20 2014, 09:40 PM)
Medical insurance is still necessary as an individual to pay cost of hospitalization.

If not, the hospital bills are going to burn a hole in your wallet.
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er.. i'd think it depends on how big a wallet, thus that "hole" may or may not even scratch the wallet sweat.gif

IF i can afford to self-cover (big if la),
why would i pay admin cost +profits +commissions +hospital cost (via medical )insurance
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just pay hospital cost?

Buying insurance is just risk mitigation / management - and one pays a price to push that risk to someone else (insurer).
Insurer needs to pay admin +commissions +make profits for shareholders.
Thus does one really think it's cheaper VS pay by self?

Again - this is assuming one has "enough" la.
While building towards "enough" - then i'd agree that it'll be useful to mitigate or manage risk by having the RIGHT insurances for the RIGHT reasons.

just thinking.. notworthy.gif

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post Nov 21 2014, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 20 2014, 10:36 PM)
er.. i'd think it depends on how big a wallet, thus that "hole" may or may not even scratch the wallet  sweat.gif

IF i can afford to self-cover (big if la),
why would i pay admin cost +profits +commissions +hospital cost (via medical )insurance
VS
just pay hospital cost?

Buying insurance is just risk mitigation / management - and one pays a price to push that risk to someone else (insurer).
Insurer needs to pay admin +commissions +make profits for shareholders.
Thus does one really think it's cheaper VS pay by self?

Again - this is assuming one has "enough" la.
While building towards "enough" - then i'd agree that it'll be useful to mitigate or manage risk by having the RIGHT insurances for the RIGHT reasons.

just thinking.. notworthy.gif
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this is crazy talk.

Why would I prefer to spend paying a RM100,000 hospital bill with my OWN money when I can just maintain a medical card for RM200 monthly that covers me until I'm old.

if you're going to assume every bill is going to come in RM10,000 - RM50,000 then by all I means go ahead and use your cash if you think you have TONNES of surplus but I doubt any rich man would do that.
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Nov 20 2014, 09:49 PM)
how much is the average premium for a basic medical card?this wont cover medicalcheckup right,just hospitalisation?
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Depends on your Age range. Better to get a proper quote via an agent.

It covers your medical check up in the event of hospitalization under "Pre-Hospitalization" if you've been diagnosed with any medical problem and requires to stay in the hospital.

and No, you can't use medical card to pay for your own medical check up just because it's a yearly check up.
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post Nov 21 2014, 05:47 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Nov 21 2014, 12:48 AM)
this is crazy talk.

Why would I prefer to spend paying a RM100,000 hospital bill with my OWN money when I can just maintain a medical card for RM200 monthly that covers me until I'm old.

if you're going to assume every bill is going to come in RM10,000 - RM50,000 then by all I means go ahead and use your cash if you think you have TONNES of surplus but I doubt any rich man would do that.
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Notice the BIG IF that sir wong highlighted smile.gif

And just to be fair everyone have their own choice, so don't jump the gun and say that someone else solution is crazy. It's crazy to you but that doesn't mean the same for others.

Assuming the medical fee is way above stated RM10k - RM50k, IF that person have wallet so deep that even few millions is nothing to them, I don't see a problem there. It's their own money and they have the right to do that, and did you personally interview all the rich man and come to that conclusion that they wouldn't do that? whistling.gif

I fully understand that you're doing your part and job in educating people on insurance knowledge, but please also understand that some people just know more in handling their own money and finance better notworthy.gif

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post Nov 21 2014, 06:22 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Nov 21 2014, 12:48 AM)
this is crazy talk.

Why would I prefer to spend paying a RM100,000 hospital bill with my OWN money when I can just maintain a medical card for RM200 monthly that covers me until I'm old.

if you're going to assume every bill is going to come in RM10,000 - RM50,000 then by all I means go ahead and use your cash if you think you have TONNES of surplus but I doubt any rich man would do that.
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Keith - have U calculated the ENTIRE cost of a medical card, from 2 years old till 99? ESPECIALLY after hitting 60 to 65 years old, pray tell how much does the real cost of insurance spikes? Please don't give me the kaka that the premium stays the same if it's an ILP - we know that bull kaka.

U being an insurance agent should know better that insurance isn't being done on a goodwill basis - it's about profits, statistically, for the insurer & its shareholders. It's called actuarial sciences, right?

Thus, using probability of payouts VS premiums received, insurers are statistically "for sure" to make profits in the long run.
Just like playing in casinos - by buying an insurance in the long term, one will be sure to "lose" as the casino is sure to "win" the more U play.

Buying insurance to move the risk from one to the insurer makes sense when one can't take on the risk themselves.
When one has built up more than sufficient emergency funds and investment assets, why would one want to PAY another premiums to manage a risk one can manage themselves?

I guess you're still "one of those" insurance agents sellers, not a thinking adviser like roystevenung & wild_card_my.
Congrats - you've just shown your hands.

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Nov 21 2014, 06:30 AM
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post Nov 21 2014, 07:18 AM

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Buy insurance today, masuk hospital tomorrow, profit rclxms.gif

Buy insurance today, masuk hospital 30 years later...insurance company profit whistling.gif

Simplistic view of insurance wink.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 21 2014, 07:18 AM)
Buy insurance today, masuk hospital tomorrow, profit rclxms.gif

Buy insurance today, masuk hospital 30 years later...insurance company profit whistling.gif

Simplistic view of insurance wink.gif
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I bought my Insurance policy when i was 20 years old. My health should be not many illness 20 years down the road. Am i made a silly mistake by contributing to insurance premium? rclxub.gif
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post Nov 21 2014, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(bursalchemy @ Nov 21 2014, 07:42 AM)
I bought my Insurance policy when i was 20 years old. My health should be not many illness 20 years down the road. Am i made a silly mistake by contributing to insurance premium?  rclxub.gif
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Insurance is just that, insurance. Insurance has a cost. Insurance help if you were to be in a situation where you would be financially crippled without outside help.

If you are healthy now, it doesnt mean that you will be healthy 20 years down the road. For example, a number of cancer patients lead a healthy lifestyle and are shocked when they found out that they have cancer.

Insurance is probably not for you if you think that you can be comfortable with having your health care serviced by the governmental hospitals (nothing wrong with that), but if you want options, then insurance, even how minimal it is would probably be useful.

tl;dr: Insurance is a financial tool to hedge your finances against unforeseen circumstances, as such, it will have a cost.

This post has been edited by wild_card_my: Nov 21 2014, 08:50 AM
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post Nov 21 2014, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 21 2014, 07:18 AM)
Buy insurance today, masuk hospital tomorrow, profit rclxms.gif

Buy insurance today, masuk hospital 30 years later...insurance company profit whistling.gif

Simplistic view of insurance wink.gif
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The "trick" is to ONLY "keep playing" until U don't need to pass the risk management over.
Kind of shocking when i did my children's medical insurance planning:
a. from age 2 to 99 whoa.. can literally buy "2 to 3 new bodies"
b. from age 60 or 64, the cost or premium literally spikes like mad - guess why? statistically, one will need to "go in factory" (literal translation from Cantonese) around that area.
c. add in admin cost, commissions & profits into the risk cost, and tadaa.. one gets (a.)

No way around it though unless:
1. One builds up one's assets & emergency funds to be able to risk manage themselves (with superb risk/returns & flexibility - U know medical insurances this/that gotta do, some follows certain costs only, blah blah)

2. Just dont care about risk management - happy go lucky

eh - U numbers-slayer right?
Just ask for a medical insurance only quote for 2 years old and do the maths.
By itself already shocking
Factor in inflation + opportunity costs.. and shocking.gif
That's why i personally need to save & invest, not just spending on "coverage", which will eventually kill me if disease/accident/age doesn't sweat.gif
Funny aint it - being "killed" by "coverage" costs laugh.gif

Just a thought notworthy.gif

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Nov 21 2014, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 21 2014, 08:52 AM)
The "trick" is to ONLY "keep playing" until U don't need to pass the risk management over.
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This wink.gif

Buy cheap (term) insurance, invest the rest.

When u have a sizeable net worth AND emergency funds, u don't need insurance anymore. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Nov 21 2014, 08:48 AM)
Insurance is just that, insurance. Insurance has a cost. Insurance help if you were to be in a situation where you would be financially crippled without outside help.

If you are healthy now, it doesnt mean that you will be healthy 20 years down the road. For example, a number of cancer patients lead a healthy lifestyle and are shocked when they found out that they have cancer.

Insurance is probably not for you if you think that you can be comfortable with having your health care serviced by the governmental hospitals (nothing wrong with that), but if you want options, then insurance, even how minimal it is would probably be useful.

tl;dr: Insurance is a financial tool to hedge your finances against unforeseen circumstances, as such, it will have a cost.
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medical card!! like i always say it to all my relatives>>> this cover is specially for POOR fags. the lower reserved fund you have, the MORE that you will need a medical card for yourself & family.

In this real world, you can eventually see how people around you shy away when it comes to $$$. (even the closest ones) shocking.gif REALITY is sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 21 2014, 09:17 AM)
This wink.gif

Buy cheap (term) insurance, invest the rest.

When u have a sizeable net worth AND emergency funds, u don't need insurance anymore. icon_idea.gif
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The sad part is… most normal consumers don’t opt for term insurance because it seems ingrained that they must get back money from insurance, whether dead or alive. IMO... the idea of NOT getting back ANY money if they DON’T die doesn’t bode well to them. blink.gif

Even agents don’t quote because low premium translates to low commission.
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do you guys think it would help if I make a video about insurances, the differences, the pros and cons between one and another? would it help people be more educated about the industry?
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QUOTE(lonelywalker @ Nov 20 2014, 10:25 PM)
I do have medical card from my company, yet i forget about the policy, just read it once and very confidential one lol, cannot simply pick up and read again.

Entitle to hospitalism yet many procedure need to go through, you know la company claim not easy to get XD
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wait wait... you were issued with a medical card by the insurance company for your employee benefit? that should be good enough. i mean, there are limits but my understanding is, you don't have to pay anything upfront. just carry your card to panel hospital. it shouldn't be that difficult if you have the medical card. i don't even have a medical card from my employer. sad.gif

QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Nov 21 2014, 11:15 AM)
do you guys think it would help if I make a video about insurances, the differences, the pros and cons between one and another? would it help people be more educated about the industry?
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not sure. but certain things are too technical to be explained through videos.

i have friends who are smart, well-educated professionals. but when i blab anything related to financial services, they get what i tell them is important, but they are just too lazy to do further research about it. well, they earn professional pay. so, whatever la...

This post has been edited by adele123: Nov 21 2014, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Nov 21 2014, 11:10 AM)
The sad part is… most normal consumers don’t opt for term insurance because it seems ingrained that they must get back money from insurance, whether dead or alive. IMO... the idea of NOT getting back ANY money if they DON’T die doesn’t bode well to them.  blink.gif

Even agents don’t quote because low premium translates to low commission.
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whats the actual difference btw life & term insurance?
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Nov 21 2014, 11:15 AM)
do you guys think it would help if I make a video about insurances, the differences, the pros and cons between one and another? would it help people be more educated about the industry?
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It would help if ppl bothered to learn.
I shared with friends before - comparisons in Excel with summary, they also glazed over (eyes).
Dont want to know, dont care - just pay.
BTW - they aren't well off enough not to care about $ mgt tongue.gif
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QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Nov 21 2014, 11:50 AM)
whats the actual difference btw life & term insurance?
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Disclaimer: it might not be textbook answer but I never read any life insurance related textbook aside from the one for PCE. And I’m not an agent.

Life insurance is the broad category, any insurance related to human life.

There are many types of life insurance, whole life, term, endowment, investment-linked.

Whole life is being referred to up to age 88 or 100. I don’t think there’s a fixed definition of whole life but 100 seems to be more common now.

Term is the opposite of it, short term, but short in insurance context is still many, many years. Anything from 5 years to 50 or even 80 years. (Provided you don’t cross their maximum age, usually about 80 or 85)

both with their pros and cons.

And then there’s insurance policy known as participating policies (the misunderstood savings plan) and non-participating policies. Both can be whole life or term.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 20 2014, 10:36 PM)
er.. i'd think it depends on how big a wallet, thus that "hole" may or may not even scratch the wallet  sweat.gif

IF i can afford to self-cover (big if la),
why would i pay admin cost +profits +commissions +hospital cost (via medical )insurance
VS
just pay hospital cost?

Buying insurance is just risk mitigation / management - and one pays a price to push that risk to someone else (insurer).
Insurer needs to pay admin +commissions +make profits for shareholders.
Thus does one really think it's cheaper VS pay by self?

Again - this is assuming one has "enough" la.
While building towards "enough" - then i'd agree that it'll be useful to mitigate or manage risk by having the RIGHT insurances for the RIGHT reasons.

just thinking.. notworthy.gif
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I have a 50 year old friend need to undergo a heart operation, IJN need rm50000 for it. He have some connection to MCA, talked to him and he only paid rm1000 for the operation.
If he were to buy medical insurance for the past 10 years, the premium to get everything covered will be about rm6000-8000 a year. So after paying 10 years, he is still paying extra rm10000 to 30000 extra.
And to get heart problem, lifestyle are the main factor. He never exercise and drink a lot. After the operation, he stop drinking and do regular exercise. Because he was being msilead by insurance that everything is covered and he never take care of his health.
So I don't listen to insurance agent's bullshit and maintaining a healthy lifestyle, this can prevent me to "spend" rm50000.
Already close to 10 years I cancelled all insurance, surprisingly my money reaches first rm100k faster than I expected.

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