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Hi-Fi Edifier R2800 Review (MASSIVE)(PICS), Reasonable priced Studio Speakers :D

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andrekua2
post Oct 18 2015, 01:25 AM

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QUOTE(am3 @ Oct 18 2015, 01:14 AM)
C3x seems overpriced and not that popular compared to c3 though.
Do s2000 have back bass reflex port?  If so do you need to put it some distance from the wall?
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No. It's front. There's no need for a back port imo.
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post Oct 18 2015, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Oct 18 2015, 01:25 AM)
No. It's front. There's no need for a back port imo.
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I see. The new not yet in Malaysia s1000 is back firing though. Like r200db.


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post Oct 18 2015, 02:01 AM

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QUOTE(am3 @ Oct 18 2015, 01:31 AM)
I see.  The new not yet in Malaysia s1000 is back firing though. Like r200db.
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Yeah, different approach. I do wonder though if it would made huge difference.
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post Oct 23 2015, 08:30 AM

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Got them. Just nice for kpop. Not so nice for movies and live concert

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post Oct 23 2015, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Oct 18 2015, 02:01 AM)
Yeah, different approach. I do wonder though if it would made huge difference.
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A few reasons they rear fire:
-Front baffle is too small to fit port. (I think this applies to the R200DB and S1000)
-Port is large and midrange is audible through the port. (Internal foam lining can take care most of the problem)
-Undersized port (so they can make it short enough to fit) so there's chuffing.
-Purposely done for bass reinforcement by rear wall.
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post Oct 23 2015, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Oct 23 2015, 08:30 AM)
Got them. Just nice for kpop. Not so nice for movies and live concert

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How about other kind of music? Nice too? D

How is the mids of this speaker?


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post Oct 23 2015, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(am3 @ Oct 23 2015, 11:34 AM)
How about other kind of music? Nice too? D

How is the mids of this speaker?
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Erm, how to say... for the price, I think maybe its OK... compared to S2000, where's the mid? LOL

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post Oct 23 2015, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Oct 23 2015, 01:12 PM)
Erm, how to say... for the price, I think maybe its OK... compared to S2000, where's the mid? LOL
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dang, I really love my mids!

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post Oct 23 2015, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(VagueConcerns @ Oct 23 2015, 11:21 AM)
A few reasons they rear fire:
-Front baffle is too small to fit port. (I think this applies to the R200DB and S1000)
-Port is large and midrange is audible through the port. (Internal foam lining can take care most of the problem)
-Undersized port (so they can make it short enough to fit) so there's chuffing.
-Purposely done for bass reinforcement by rear wall.
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I google on this matter and it seem like there would be no difference between both. Like you said, some said back firing is to prevent the leaking midrange from being audible. Some said front port is to make it wall mount friendly. Most agreed there will be nothing major.
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Oct 23 2015, 01:15 PM)
I google on this matter and it seem like there would be no difference between both. Like you said, some said back firing is to prevent the leaking midrange from being audible. Some said front port is to make it wall mount friendly.  Most agreed there will be nothing major.
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I've done experiments on my own with a 5-inch and 2-inch. With the smaller 2-inch driver it's difficult to pin-point. With the larger 5-inch though with a 2-inch and 8.5cm ports, I prefer that to be facing away from me in both cases.

This is only applicable for nearfield. I built an MLTL tower with the 5-inch, had the port at the bottom (naturally) and facing back. Now I am building a pair that is shorter but deeper, with a much smaller port, and forward firing. Because of the foam lining and stuffing in them, other frequencies are whisper quiet and muffled in both cases (even more so in this new one). So the rear firing port is impractical and unnecessary in this case.

Front firing ports are FAR more practical though since you don't have to worry about it being too close to the back wall.

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post Oct 23 2015, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(Edifier @ Sep 19 2015, 10:51 AM)
You can audit it @ Viewnet or Sri Com in Low Yat Plaza.
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Edifier,

Any chance you know what is the DAC inside the R2800?
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post Oct 23 2015, 11:46 PM

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Tonight finally have some time to move the whole R2800 to my living room and compare a bit with S2000. Both are connected to Xonar Essence ST via RCA.

I think R2800 is an interesting speaker but not without its weakness. First of all, when you turn it on, you will notice the brightness of the whole setup and slightly sparkle. Personally I find it easier on my ears if I reduced the treble by -1.5. Even with this setting, it still prone to sibilant at times. This minus treble sounds great especially with noisy Kpop.

The vocals were mostly fine (somewhat sibilant at times like I pointed out) but if you were to play strong vocals like Cai Qing, I think Im not impressed with it. The vocals are clear, no doubt, but not refined and somewhat harsh. Again, this is only where there's no music to cover up for the vocals performance. Another point worth noting is that sometimes the vocals only songs tend to have slight echo effect, but somehow I find it end abruptly with R2800. I need to retest this in order to verify that my ears are not playing games with me.

Next up would be the problem with the imaging itself. Personally I find it kinda annoying like it has a couple sweet spot where you get the maximum listening experience. I feel that your ears had to be at the speaker level in order to get the best sound out of it. This was not a problem with S2000 and I can move around a lot and still get the same sound but not so with R2800. Seated within 3-4feet away or with your back facing the wall or just lying flat on the floor seem to be the best position to enjoy R2800.

I may have sounded a bit negative but its hard to say whether I like it or not. I started picking up on kpop recently and for this purpose, it has exceeded my expectations (despite the setbacks). As for other types of music, I think Chinese songs fared the worse because it certainly lacked the imaging aspect, not to mention vocals were not as smooth and soothing as S2000. There is one more thing that I would like to point out here is that some songs may even show why R2800 power distribution between its driver are somewhat imbalanced. Noticed that the mid is only 18W with another 16W for the tweeter. For some recordings/movies with weak recording volume, even after cranking all the way to the max, it still sound too weak. However the bass does not suffer from the problem and began over powering the whole sound system. Of course having said so much, one of my major complaint with S2000 has been the lack of thumping bass when it matters.

I got mine off Lazada with some discount which bring the total cost of ownership to RM670 which is much cheaper than the retail price. For this pricing, I find it hard to suggest another alternative which is why I may still keep it. I would have wanted to go for the S730 but the pricing is really too high for me to have a go.

Since Im at it, Im gonna add this comment too since I tested it a little bit just now. I think that going with digital connection may not be as bad as I thought it would be. Prior to this, I was using my Sound Blaster Digital Music modded with LME49720 opamp. I find the bass is loose but in return I get the airy wide soundstage. However going digital seem to tighten up the bass slightly (even reduce bass reverberation). Of course there is some compromise as it sounds thin, even though the vocals is clear (reduced sibilant)

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post Oct 25 2015, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Oct 23 2015, 11:46 PM)


Nice review. Now I'm not sure what speaker to buy. R2800 got nice price. Among china manufactured speaker, it is good and reliable.


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post Oct 27 2015, 05:25 PM

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yea..treble a bit wierd.. u need to add more bass knop for balance listening..if u put both equal..treble is win biggrin.gif

also i agree with u when watch video..sound lack power..

but the most i like is no ear fatigue biggrin.gif


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possible r2800 add seperate subwoofer?

active or passive for the best?


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post Oct 29 2015, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(chelebin @ Oct 29 2015, 02:17 PM)
possible r2800 add seperate subwoofer?

active or passive for the best?
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there is no sub out on the R2800 so you got to be creative

Either buy a sub with stereo out + volume adjustments or just a y splitter to both sub and R2800

Controlling volume would be confusing though
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post Oct 29 2015, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Oct 29 2015, 01:35 PM)
there is no sub out on the R2800 so you got to be creative

Either buy a sub with stereo out + volume adjustments or just a y splitter to both sub and R2800

Controlling volume would be confusing though
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No no no...

Why would you pair a sub with one that already had a sub in the first place?
I would say that its better to buy something else with a PROPER sub in the first place. Besides if am3 is going to use it for movies, then all the reason to look somewhere else. Personally I wouldnt not recommend Studio 8 (possibly lower range Studio as well). It just happened that Im suddenly into KPOP and found S2000 lacking bass to really enjoy it. Overall, if you are going to pay over RM700, I bet there's a lot more choices now.

Even Microlabs also coming in nowadays. Preorder price looks good. I think I had said a number of times that I personally find Edifier slacking off after S2000. I havent heard anything nice from them since.
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Oct 29 2015, 06:20 PM)
No no no...

Why would you pair a sub with one that already had a sub in the first place?
I would say that its better to buy something else with a PROPER sub in the first place. Besides if am3 is going to use it for movies, then all the reason to look somewhere else. Personally I wouldnt not recommend Studio 8 (possibly lower range Studio as well). It just happened that Im suddenly into KPOP and found S2000 lacking bass to really enjoy it. Overall, if you are going to pay over RM700, I bet there's a lot more choices now.

Even Microlabs also coming in nowadays. Preorder price looks good. I think I had said a number of times that I personally find Edifier slacking off after S2000. I havent heard anything nice from them since.
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I have yet to hear any computer multimedia speaker subwoofers that could perform sub bass though. hmm.gif

Maybe the new Edifier S760D could do it but dedicated subs still sounds more cinematic punch in everything than any multimedia speakers.
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Oct 23 2015, 09:01 PM)
Edifier,

Any chance you know what is the DAC inside the R2800?
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R2800 used AKM AK4117 Low Power 192kHz Digital Audio Receiver.
Bro, i think your ear already used to S2000's sq, the only speaker can solve your problem now is S1000DB smile.gif.
S1000DB sample just reached my office, try it and love the sound imaging it produce.


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QUOTE(Edifier @ Oct 30 2015, 11:07 AM)
R2800 used AKM AK4117 Low Power 192kHz Digital Audio Receiver.
Bro, i think your ear already used to S2000's sq, the only speaker can solve your problem now is S1000DB smile.gif.
S1000DB sample just reached my office, try it and love the sound imaging it produce.
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Your office is in Taman Ehsan??

I live nearby only.

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