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Fizzy-Fiz
post Oct 22 2013, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Oct 21 2013, 11:57 PM)
This is pointless if you can only buy in Malaysia - the XPS 15 is pretty crap. If not, it's actually quite decent if you already had the ability to shop for 15" Retina MBPs.

Malaysia doesn't have the high end version of the XPS 15. The high end version easily beats the cheaper Retina by both specs and price, and the more expensive Retina by price (specs are close). Of course there isn't a Malaysian price to compare with, so we can take the tax-free discounted Australian price vs the Australian prices of the Retina MBP or the Malaysian prices of the same. Because Australian prices are close (without tax, and with discounts).

The high end version claims to have 11 hours battery vs only 7 hours for Retina (http://store.apple.com/my/buy-mac/macbook-pro).

512GB mSATA SSD vs 256 or 512.

2GB DDR5 GT 750M vs 1GB DDR5 GT 650M (not much difference).

3200x1800 IGZO display vs Retina (big difference according to some people).

2.2 GHz vs 2.4 or 2.7 GHz quad core (Haswell for Dell).

Almost the same weight.

Now for the prices. Apple's will set you back RM6799 & RM8699. In Australia it's $2499 & $3199 ($2279 & $2979 with discount, $2072 & $2708 without tax, i.e. RM6527 & RM8530).

Dell's high end version is $2599, cut to $2209 after discount, and $2008 without tax, i.e. RM6326.

Much better specs than the cheaper Apple, slightly better specs but more than RM2000 cheaper than the expensive Apple.

Of course at RM4999 the specs aren't great, and RM6299 doesn't compete with the cheaper Apple. But then, this is the Malaysian market.
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You do realize you are comparing a previous gen product dont you?

There are rmbp sellers in garage, check em
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post Oct 22 2013, 10:37 AM

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Also, the 11h rated battery life for a full fledged processor? Thats BS. Theyre referring to the ulv processors.

The msata point is only valid if you have a pocket deep enough, and thats not most people
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post Oct 22 2013, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(Fizzy-Fiz @ Oct 22 2013, 10:34 AM)
You do realize you are comparing a previous gen product dont you?

There are rmbp sellers in garage, check em
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The MBP might be previous gen, but it's the currently available product. Therefore it's being compared to other currently available products.

Why would I need to check rMBP sellers in garage? Maybe they somehow have cheaper prices - not quite sure how that works, but you can get discounted Dell laptops from them too. The basis for comparison is a consistent retail price.

QUOTE(Fizzy-Fiz @ Oct 22 2013, 10:37 AM)
Also, the 11h rated battery life for a full fledged processor? Thats BS. Theyre referring to the ulv processors.

The msata point is only valid if you have a pocket deep enough, and thats not most people
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You know they have a 91WHr battery right?

They are not referring to ULVs here, because this laptop doesn't have a ULV version. It's either an error, or a really optimistic estimate. Every manufacturer is optimistic about battery life.

I'm not saying 11 hours is completely reasonable, but get the facts straight.

The point about the mSATA is that if you could already afford a laptop in this class, the mSATA is not an expensive upgrade when you buy the Dell. As opposed to buying an mSATA 512GB retail. As I pointed out, at least in official and student/employee/corporate prices (most people buying these things are students or employees of corporates so that is fair) the Dell easily beats the rMBP by price, so if you're talking about pockets not being deep enough, the rMBP shouldn't even even belong here.
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post Oct 22 2013, 12:14 PM

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rMBP 15 2012 is spec with 95 WHr battery.
The XPS 15 with 512GB SSD is spec with 91 WHr battery.

Apple claim MBP 15 2012 has battery run time of ~ 7 hours.
Haswell has really improved battery run time by a LOT.
So I am not surprise that Dell claim the XPS 15 has battery run time of 11 hours.
In fact, I fully expect Apple will have similar or even greater claim of battery run time for rMBP 15 Haswell smile.gif

I think the 512GB mSATA SSD is great.
Looking at what Apple do with MBA, they may probably spec the rMBP with proprietary port Samsung SSD, which has amazing benchmark score. Won't make much difference in normal usage, but significant faster for transferring large files (eg. large video files).

Let see what Apple bring to the table with Haswell MBP. We should know within a week smile.gif

Btw, Fizzy-Fiz, I also fully expect the Haswell MBP will be more expensive than the current MBP icon_rolleyes.gif (hope I am wrong smile.gif )

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post Oct 22 2013, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Oct 22 2013, 12:14 PM)
rMBP 15 2012 is spec with 95 WHr battery.
The XPS 15 with 512GB SSD is spec with 91 WHr battery.

Apple claim MBP 15 2012 has battery run time of ~ 7 hours.
Haswell has really improved battery run time by a LOT.
So I am not surprise that Dell claim the XPS 15 has battery run time of 11 hours.
In fact, I fully expect Apple will have similar or even greater claim of battery run time for rMBP 15 Haswell smile.gif

I think the 512GB mSATA SSD is great.
Looking at what Apple do with MBA, they may probably spec the rMBP with proprietary port Samsung SSD, which has amazing benchmark score. Won't make much difference in normal usage, but significant faster for transferring large files (eg. large video files).

Let see what Apple bring to the table with Haswell MBP. We should know within a week smile.gif

Btw, Fizzy-Fiz, I also fully expect the Haswell MBP will be more expensive than the current MBP  icon_rolleyes.gif (hope I am wrong smile.gif )
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I hope so too. Been holding my trigger long enough. Anand expected a price drop dt better manufacturing process, thats what kept me going.

@LF

My point with garage sales is the availability, not cheaper prices. Since when do they provide significantly cheaper prices anyway.

Point to point, youd still be foolish to jump early. Of course if youve got the dough then who am i to spar the price-to-benefit issue. Apple will get haswell too, and batterylife-wise they have always been better

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post Oct 22 2013, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Oct 22 2013, 10:50 AM)
The MBP might be previous gen, but it's the currently available product. Therefore it's being compared to other currently available products.

Why would I need to check rMBP sellers in garage? Maybe they somehow have cheaper prices - not quite sure how that works, but you can get discounted Dell laptops from them too. The basis for comparison is a consistent retail price.
You know they have a 91WHr battery right?

They are not referring to ULVs here, because this laptop doesn't have a ULV version. It's either an error, or a really optimistic estimate. Every manufacturer is optimistic about battery life.

I'm not saying 11 hours is completely reasonable, but get the facts straight.

The point about the mSATA is that if you could already afford a laptop in this class, the mSATA is not an expensive upgrade when you buy the Dell. As opposed to buying an mSATA 512GB retail. As I pointed out, at least in official and student/employee/corporate prices (most people buying these things are students or employees of corporates so that is fair) the Dell easily beats the rMBP by price, so if you're talking about pockets not being deep enough, the rMBP shouldn't even even belong here.
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Wait, how does the dell "easily" beat rmbp by price? Whats the student retail price? Macs also have student pricing, rm200 discount iinm
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post Oct 22 2013, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(Fizzy-Fiz @ Oct 22 2013, 12:57 PM)
I hope so too. Been holding my trigger long enough. Anand expected  a price drop dt better manufacturing process, thats what kept me going.

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One of the reason for XPS 15 battery run time claim is also due to the IGZO screen which require less power to run (and screen normally is one of the most power consuming component).
rMBP has been rumoured to go with IGZO for a long time as well.

Personally, I think Apple can cut price anytime they want due to the fat profit margin laugh.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 22 2013, 01:21 PM

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http://forum.notebookreview.com/dell-latit...n-m6800-41.html

Here is a test on the IGZO screen used by Dell (it is for Precision, but same panel is used for XPS 15).
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post Oct 22 2013, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(Fizzy-Fiz @ Oct 22 2013, 01:01 PM)
Wait, how does the dell "easily" beat rmbp by price? Whats the student retail price? Macs also have student pricing, rm200 discount iinm
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Seriously? I showed you the figures. Easily more than RM2000 (after conversion) savings on the top Dell XPS 15 (512GB) vs the top rMBP, and the Dell still outspecs the rMBP.
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post Oct 22 2013, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Oct 22 2013, 02:20 PM)
Seriously? I showed you the figures. Easily more than RM2000 (after conversion) savings on the top Dell XPS 15 (512GB) vs the top rMBP, and the Dell still outspecs the rMBP.
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i, thought you were referring to local price.
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post Oct 22 2013, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(Fizzy-Fiz @ Oct 22 2013, 03:04 PM)
i, thought you were referring to local price.
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Well that's the point. That Dell XPS 15 has superior specs and price but isn't sold here.
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post Oct 23 2013, 09:01 AM

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Prices are out. Massive cut on the rmbp 13 and slight cut on 15. And finally, no dedicated gpu option.
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post Oct 23 2013, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(Fizzy-Fiz @ Oct 23 2013, 09:01 AM)
And finally, no dedicated gpu option.
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the RM8499 MBPR 15 has a GT750M.
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post Oct 23 2013, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Oct 23 2013, 09:10 AM)
the RM8499 MBPR 15 has a GT750M.
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You got that wrong, i rejoiced no dedicated gpu. Dont need it. Irispro should be gt650m level anyway for those who need it.
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QUOTE(Fizzy-Fiz @ Oct 23 2013, 09:38 AM)
You got that wrong, i rejoiced no dedicated gpu. Dont need it. Irispro should be gt650m level anyway for those who need it.
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Top specced MBP15 has both Iris Pro and GT750m. Only the low specced MBP15 has Iris Pro.
The MBP13, just normal Iris sad.gif
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post Oct 23 2013, 10:04 AM

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Dont want 750m anyway :/. I dont game but i do PS.

The 2.3ghz cpu upgrade is cheap though.
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post Oct 23 2013, 11:11 AM

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If we slap in a SSD (256GB ~ RM600) into XPS15 (top spec in Malaysia) vs MBP 15

For extra RM400 (6299+600 = 6899, vs 6499), on hardware:
Slight different - screen, CPU.
Better - more RAM, GPU.
Worse - battery runtime.
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some users dont really care about battery life. so the top spec of XPS 15 in malaysia slapped in with a 1TB SSD will be RM200 cheaper than the top MBPR.

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post Oct 23 2013, 02:46 PM

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They should have made more options, like i5 and SSD combo, for the XPS 15. And maybe i5 with discrete GPU.

With the options in Malaysia, they're expensive and not very attractive.

Basically if you were in the US, Canada or Australia you could already or almost (small gap) get the 512GB SSD version at the price that Malaysia charges you for the 1TB HDD.

If you went with the low spec model, it's just a fast i5 and basic screen. Why not just buy a cheaper ultrabook with SSD and with a good screen and pretty fast but lower voltage i5/i7?

The mid spec model is very expensive for just the GT 750M which is middle class and as someone pointed out available in many other Dell laptops and competing brands. The screen is a bit special, and a few hundred grams in weight is saved. All for double the price?
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post Dec 16 2013, 04:31 PM

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http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-X...k.107485.0.html

review by notebookcheck. This is with mSATA SSD and 91 WHr battery.


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