I cannot believe there is someone out there who is willing to pay RM18K for 3D and furniture layout plan only, Adrian, are the " designer" select colour scheme, material and provide cost estimation and do site inspection for the client also.

This is the fee for full designer consultant service for standard terrace house normally.

From my experience, majority of Malaysian still cannot differential what is the difference between interior designer and contractor ( who say they are id too to their client)

normally these contractor just pay some student for 3D perspective showing to their clients. Surprisingly his client really thought they are real interior designer.

This is what make the ID industrial in Malaysia look unprofessional compare to other country.

Really appreciate all of the people who spend their time in my topic.
I believe these information will educate home owners. By having this
Topic, it will give us a healthy and fair competition.

Ehwee, I would like to address on your 1st paragraph. An Interior Designer
Should provide all layout except single line electrical diagram because we
Are not engineer or draftman. We should provide 3D drawings and details drawings.
We will also provide presentation board for all furniture, colours, material, textures
And soft furnishing. And lastly we will provide BQ and it is up to the client to go
Ahead to engage my contractor or he may find any other contractor to do the job.

It is my job to consult But it is not an interior designer job to do a site inspection unless
we are paid to project manage. My current client is very understanding. He's having his
Reno now and he is from this forum. When ever he ask me questions, I'll give him a feedback.

This post has been edited by ID adrien: Oct 14 2013, 12:32 AM

Hi, I think your concept more to contractor style...
Our ideas to produce full set of drawing is to avoid any of misstake/ material/ detail missing up...

For Id, we can try to reduce the V.O (variation order) as minimize...

i do, sometimes, after i sketch on wall/ paper, i will sign, and take a photo...

that is a problems also, our market is full of 'id' contractor,
what they did is, they propose the idea for you, and the idea actually hire some freelancer to draw it out...
and then they 'COVER' the interior design fee for you if you let them do contractor/ carpenter work..

Try compare the price to 2 or 3 contractor, End up, u will know, where the ''Free ID fee'' goes..

For some reason/case, ID do not touch site supervision, in chinese we so call 买断图， means client purchase our service for consultant with full set drawing, but we do not really need to communicate to their contractor/ carpenter...
Just because...Some of the client having some budget, and hired Indo workers/ unskill worker to finish their work, ends up, i am pretty sure.... Designer Fault

some of the things i need to point out here is... Client don't really know the usage of detail drawing (Elevation, Section, Detail)
The drawing actually Helps only on construction part...
Mostly, client can skip all of this drawing...

This drawing provided for contractor/ carpenter on:-
1. Dimension
2. Specification
3. Color selection/ material selection
4. Pattern and shape
5. Detail such as :- Recessed handle, beveled edge, Accessories..etc

The thread do mention about BQ, with all of this drawing, the BQ quotation will ready for all of the pricing..

Some client might know that renovation work will be very headache when come to the End...
The new/ V.O bill will keep on coming....
1. Contractor/ carpenter do not have a specific drawing
2. When client change/ modified.. no updated drawing... so if they do double work..They CHARGE on you
3. The wastage of material bill will goes to your bill too


The final word....
Hire an id, not only to designing/ consultant your project, and also try to minimize the misstake/ pricing of the project...

I'm currently starting on my reno, and has already contracted a kitchen design company during the last expo. Truth be told, they just provide us 3D images, without any further details. From what I get, these images are just simply plucked from their archives. Furthermore, it was after some coaxing, they only managed to give me the images. Now I need the dimensions for my contractor to refer, but still they seem to hesitate. Somehow, I believe these companies do not have qualified IDs in their stable. It's so easy to give designs, just have to pluck from the web.

sad to heard that, but those company having very good price on their carpentry work...
so the cut cost place...u know i know la~~lol

After reading your comment, I'm going to acknowledge but disagree with your 1st paragraph. We know some client don't really know the usage of detail drawings but we as a designer has to educate them the importance of these in order to minimize any dispute or receiving V.O with contractors during the built. As you have mention, the drawings helps on construction part which is the main subject. Client may skip and not bother with these drawings but he or she is still entitle to have them.

Just received a private message asking me for a full quotation with breakdown. The list is very impressive and precise which includes alarm system, autogate, doors, shower heads, solid wood bedframe and everything you can think off. And me reply to him :

" Thanks for your inquiry. I think you have mistaken my job scope. I'm an interior designer not a contractor. I charges design fee based on client's specification and im very Impressed with the list you provided. You need to get your estimated quotation from A contractor. Once you get the rough quotation, you then hire an interior designer to discuss layout planning, furnitures, material, colours, style, tiles, doors and so on...... He or she will present you a moodboard and when everything is agreed, it will then render into 3D, all layout plans and provide you with detail drawings.

You have written interior design as MISC, which I think that is interior decoration.

I'm sorry I can't provide you with anything. We will only provide BQ when we are
Engaged as the interior designer "

He's asking me to provide him a BQ and expecting me spending the whole day telephone every single trade. How am i supposed to quote him on the solid wood bedframe witout knowing the design? It is thousands of ringgit different between solid wood frame with carving and a clean solid wood frame. A shower head can cost RM80 - RM1000, Im wondering why he thinks that i'm able to predict what he really want and willing to provide him a BQ despite not being a confirm designer for this project. I'm never mean to any potential client, just straight to the fact.

This is the reason why I start this topic and to differentiate my profession with contractors and suppliers.

This post has been edited by ID adrien: Oct 14 2013, 01:04 PM

Wow... will you offend your potential client by posting this?

I think most of us are quite a noob in terms of the job scope of ID. Every ID quote different job scope. Thats is why in my previous thread I asked for the list of job scope. Unfortunately, no one really list it down for me.

I wasn't offending anyone. I was explaining to them. How can you possible giving BQ to anyone witout knowing what sorts of material, designs and brandings they are after? A kitchen cabinet top can be RM400 p/ft run and it can be RM900 p/ft run, it all depends on material and designs. A whole kitchen cost RM22k but what he has in mind Is totally different and it will cost him RM50K. Why tell him lies and false infoemation ? I hope you get my point across. I'm sorry if he felt offended but is the fact.

Hi, our drawing always is full set if quote as project..
i will explain to client too..

what i means some client will just skip..and wan to makesure our final work is 80 ~ 90% same as 3d as what we promise too

My work is actually 95% - 99% accurate including decorative items. But we will only achieve this when a client doesn't change their mind every now and again. I cannot afford to change my 3D too many times to suit he's ever changing mind.

Agree,

It just like a person go to buy leather bag. It depends on which shop he fall in, Louis Vuxtton or Jalan Petaling Baxgla ...

Both are leather bag, both are usable as bag.Both does bring the same function .

BUT. IT IS DIFFER ALOT WHEN COME TO PRICING. FROM THOUSANDS TO HUNDREDS GAP.!!


I still Believe , Every product or services their existence will have their own value.

I don't think every single ID able to do a proper BQ, cause it is normally a QS job.

Continuing the leather bag analogy,

You buy an LV because you know it's going to last. Granted, it's a luxury brand and therefore a status item and branding is part of the reason why it costs a lot. Still, you know you can trust this brand because it cannot afford to tarnish the image and quality of its products. Quality control in a brand such as LV (or any other luxury brand) is held to the highest standard. This is also an investment because you can still re-sell your luxury item as a secondhand designer bag. Some bags even appreciate in value because they are increasingly very rare in numbers (limited edition, exotic skins, unique craftsmanship, etc).

Value is relative to the needs and wants of the client. You want something that will last, and/or you're going for a look that screams "brand new, showroom, etc", you should be willing to pay more for it (of course, how much more also depends on your budget). Don't always necessarily go for the cheapest option. Go for the best value-for-money with proven quality.

yeap, but professional ID should provide

"Professional" being the operative word here.

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Just to ask, the kitchen design company only design n provide u the 3D images?
Did he iniated to do the reno for you at a cost? Or his service is only design only nothing more.
That's the reason why you need to engage your own contractor?

What I paid for is according to their standard designs as offered during the expo, i.e. 20ft of kitchen cabinets(design as in their catalog), 20ft of wardrobe, solid table top, and some accessories. This company just basically supply and install kitchen cabinets and wardrobes. The contractor I hired is for basic structural work, piping, electrical, etc.