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 LYN Cycling V9, Racing/Road bikes- Ironman Malaysia 2014

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wenloong78
post Oct 12 2013, 05:29 PM

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Hi all Sifu,

would like to have get some advice from u all.

i m looking for a road bike frame set recently, visited KSH few days ago, the sales person introduce me a brand call "carrera", which i never heard before, does anyone heard about this brand? any comment about its Road bike? is it as good as other brand like colnago, specialize, Pinarello and Bianchi and Kuota.

any recommendations for a RB frame set with the budget of Max 5K
-alloy or carbon will do
-100Kg + rider
-all rounder type (Not Aero Bike)

thanks in advance

This post has been edited by wenloong78: Oct 12 2013, 05:32 PM
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post Oct 12 2013, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 12 2013, 09:02 PM)
is "playing kesas" some secret code for some weird stuff or wat?
he has a contact number all the time... but, you might want to think twice before engaging that contact....
no sifus here... all just a bunch of jokers...

new to cycling or have done mtb or something else prior to this?

carrera is not a very famous brand if you put it beside colnago, specialized, pina, etc... but it is nevertheless a reputable one compared to some china brands....albeit a bit pricey...

as for a budget of RM5k... the choice is fairly gonna be straight forward

1) some alloy ride with a mix or possibly full 105 group and most likely some wheel that you will find swapping in near future
2) some entry level carbon with a tiagra setup also quite likely with some wheel that you will ditch very soon...maybe slightly over 5k..

hard to tell you which specific brand and model cos there are other factors that you need to consider like whether you like the bike, the size is right?

generally, from a price point perspective... i guess it never leaves the first 2 choices which is polygon (rodalink), giant (JBS) and merida (pedalspot) as they have cheaper bikes in your budget range and yet still as reputable...

spez, pina, colnago... with rm5k... frankly... dun think about it...and you might also want to think about whether your 5k involves stuff like helmets, and accessories?

so, at this point... you have to think.. will rm5k be all you spend or will you get more serious in future and invest in some over the top bike? i always say that your first bike is always experimental...where you find your footing and how the whole cycling scene works... so, the first bike will never gonna be right no matter how you plan, test, ask for opinions because you have yet to form your own set of criteria for what you want / demand in a bike....and without that... you will just get yourself confused with differentiating opinions from many parties and the massive amount of choices will overwhelm you..

well, i like to complicate matters and blow shit up... so, if the above dun make 2 bits of sense at all because i am drunk typing now...

go visit more bikeshops
http://www.baikbike.com/bicycle-shops/
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Yeah, been riding mtb for about 1 year.

I plan to assemble/customize this road bike. So already bought shimano 105 group set, pedal, campagnolo shamal wheel set and saddle. Left frame, drop bar and stem. So frame is the main concern now. 5k is for frame only but After some visits to several bike shops, like bike pro, pedal spot, KSH, specialized concept store, I found out that, 5k for frame set, is either I go for alloy like specialized Allez e5, or go for low end carbon, which kinda hard to find coz low end carbon frame usually being sold in complete bike. So as a first timer for road bike, should I go for high end alloy? Or low end carbon? Is there any good carbon frame that is less than 5k, that worth considering?

Thanks
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post Oct 12 2013, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 12 2013, 09:22 PM)
there's still time. try avanti shop. they are having clearance sale

https://www.facebook.com/avantimalaysia?fref=ts
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Yeah,I know about it but not familiar with avanti brand, is it consider a reputable brand?

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post Oct 12 2013, 11:23 PM

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Abou the specz Allez e5 frame, was told that 2013 version no stock Liao and not sure when the 2014 version will come( the sales person told me sure will come, is matter of time only)

Have u been the avanti clearance sale? Saw any frame set that less than 5k that worth considering?

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post Oct 13 2013, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Oct 12 2013, 11:55 PM)
Caad10! Matte black!


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yeah, cannondale is a very good choice but they only sell complete bike. too bad.... sad.gif
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post Oct 13 2013, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(sunnyckh @ Oct 12 2013, 11:17 PM)
Boardman air 9.8 (if u like aero n speed) or SLR 9.8 (if u keen to climb more)...slightly a bit over 5k...yea just slightly...
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chrisboardman from bike elementz? heard of this brand before but not sure if reputable or not.

can u give some opinion about this brand? icon_question.gif icon_question.gif

thanks
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post Oct 13 2013, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(sunnyckh @ Oct 13 2013, 12:35 AM)
Personally feel it is worth coz at this price can get their own brand top carbon frame...others reputable brand top range frame need 5 digit la wei...n I not gonna help to advertise for that bike shop so better go have a look by yourself...this pic is to poison u...
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thanks for the opinion, will do some research it.

Btw, nice bike in the picture, yours? biggrin.gif
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post Oct 13 2013, 10:02 AM

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Wonder the different in price between big brands and small brands are for the product quality or just for the name ( help them to sponsor those big star cyclists.)
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post Oct 13 2013, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 13 2013, 03:37 PM)
for RM5k.. you do have a choice... it is just whether you can accept those brands...

for a fact, i know the Swiftcarbon Ultravox RS-1 is a tad over RM5k and the Ultravox Attack is around RM3.5k... practically an unknown brand and you might not trust it but bikeradar gave it's team issue a very good rating... i know because i was just helping a friend out with his bike and this was more or less the pricing for the frames alone....

the other choices would be titanium frames like van nicholas that comes in at around RM3k++ not inclusive of the fork i think....lynskey might be tight as i remember it's around RM6k...

if KH is willing to sell the Look 586... it might go for slightly above RM5k as well... i saw it was still there as a complete bike some half a year back for around 7k if i am not wrong...

the thing is not whether you should aim for a high end alloy or low to mid range carbon... but, are you brand conscious? if you are... then carbon is definitely out of the question...

you need to look at the most unlikely places to explore some of the lesser known brands like what sunnyckh says, boardman or neilpryde at velocipede (most likely expensive, burasl costs 13k and alize costs 9k) not sure how low can the lower models go...

the next one if you want to aim branded might be scott to see if their cr1 has anything that fits you budget... it's going to be tight and the budget you have might just barely or need some topping up to cover the frame only and you have to fork out more for finishing kit...

miao's suggestion of the SL2 at bikepro is not exactly going to be any newer anyways and that is most likely what you can get if you want a branded one...

pedalspot also still has a couple of super old frames like derosa king 3 and a couple of older model merida's... try negotiate a bit and see if they can let go of the king 3 at cost price (i think it retailed for 8k during it's heyday)... or some of those merida scultura that they have which are past year frames... they won't be selling those frames cos no one will be interested in them now... and if you don't mind old stuff... i'd say... go give it a try and see...

so, you do have some question you need to clear with yourself first... branded or you don't mind...then comes the carbon or alloy question....
yeah... have been seeing quite a lot of people riding boardman recently... i think the prices might be quite attractive to them...
it's a diversion aimed at vin_ann.... we all know what he meant once vin_ann turns his back around...
life is never simple... stop dreaming...
suggest something a bit more sensible lar... it's like someone asking to buy a myvi or saga and then you suddenly pop up and say buy a ferrari...

we know u are weird lar... act weird appropriately dude...
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yeah, saw the swift carbon frame at pedal spot, was offer Rm3500 for Attack model, then another question comes, high end alloy (spez Allez E) or low end carbon? some says high end alloy perform better than low end carbon, hence, scratch my head, which one to buy?

dont think will take the old model like SL2 or king 3, prefer more up to date model.

hmm....maybe should narrow my choice to boardman and specialized (allez)? if u were me, which one will u choose? high end alloy (allez), which need to wait till dont know when or less well known boardman, which i found the price and design quite attractive.

thanks

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post Oct 13 2013, 09:54 PM

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Mind to tell why swift carbon instead of boardman?
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post Oct 13 2013, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 13 2013, 11:25 PM)
OPPSSS SORRY! i got the question wrong!!!

"maybe should narrow my choice to boardman and specialized (allez)?"

but which boardman?
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boardman (slr9.8) or spez (allez E5)?
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post Oct 14 2013, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 14 2013, 12:55 AM)
it's the standard in decimal lar.... it's not counted...
ok, look at it this way.... which point of the high end alloy are they looking at which claimed to perform better than low end carbon? stiffness wise.. i can say it might be sitting on the fence but the benefit of the doubt is given to the carbon rigs to be stiffer... comfort wise, carbon has the ability to absord road buzz better given it is properly designed... so, with doubts that it's not... it could just only be as worst as the alloy frames are...

and as i said earlier... depending on whether you look to own this roadie long term or short.. you have to take into the equation that alloy fatigues over time while carbon is stated to almost or never have any fatigue issues... this is hard to gauge as it is stuff that takes years to tell...

frankly... the e5 is the top tier in alloy and given it's prepped to use 30mm axles is an excellent platform as an alloy performance bike and especially one to be used in crit racing like the caad10... will it outmatch the lower ranged carbon like attack??? that is hard to tell (for me if i were to tell you the truth, it's all assumptions at this point) without asking someone who actually owns it...

pardon me for focusing on the swift because this is the only so called cheap carbon frame that i have been researching on recently for a friend of mine... the attack frame if swift is straight forward with this uses the T700s Toray carbon which i doubt is purely T700s construction and it should have been mixed with other stuff... but primarily T700s

the RS-1 on the other hand that comes out of the same mold as their top tier u-vox Ti uses a slightly higher grade T700s and T800s mixture....looking at the spec sheets from toray

T700s
http://www.toraycfa.com/pdfs/T700SDataSheet.pdf

T800s
http://www.toraycfa.com/pdfs/T800SDataSheet.pdf

it shows the T800 carbon cloth is about 13% stiffer than the T700s and about 20% odd stronger...the only thing that is better is the Ti which uses T1000 carbon which is the same stiffness as the T800 but stronger...

http://www.toraycfa.com/pdfs/T1000GDataSheet.pdf

i am no expert in carbon but if my understanding is right.. the RS-1 actually makes quite a balanced purchase for it's price compared to attack where it should theoretically be stiffer and it still has the features from the top tier Ti like the seat stays and brake bridge, and box section head tube...

as for boardman... hard for me to tell cause they dun expose much technical information on it and you can only rely on reviewers and feedback from owners...

and just to clarify all this, i have never ridden any one of them and i am just speculating this things based on paper... best if you can sneak a ride from an actual owner and try to feel the difference yourself...

not trying to sell the swift to you.. but there is always something better waiting outside...
it's a secret...
boardman of course if you can afford it and without considering the support factor.... the only worry as i say is that the dealer gets blown off and then you find trouble with something related to the frame...

spez will be here to stay for long...
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some says the allez E5 perform better than low end carbon in term of stiffness and power transfer, so to them, either go for high end alloy (allez E5 or Caad 10, which is only being sold in complete bike) or high end carbon which is in 5 digits figure (or 9999), no point getting a low end carbon frame just because of wanting to get carbon frame. sweat.gif sweat.gif

u r right, dealership is another factor need to consider when purchasing less common brand...... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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post Oct 15 2013, 04:49 PM

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thanks everyone who provides opinion/info/advice to me, really appreciate it. need some times to make the final decision, will update/post the photo here if possible once i got my bike assembled.

thanks again.
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post Oct 16 2013, 08:44 PM

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Went bike pro today, was offered scott addict sl 2012/13 version for 4k +, since sl model is one of the top range model,is it consider a good bargain? Also saw a green color bianchi frame set, not sure which year model but look dam nice!!
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post Oct 16 2013, 08:50 PM

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Was told that the bianchi framset is 6k+, exceed my budget already, but the frame set keep popping out in my mind...
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post Oct 16 2013, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 16 2013, 08:46 PM)
i don't know its original retail price. but i think it's a good bargain
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Even for a 2 years old model?
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post Oct 16 2013, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Oct 16 2013, 09:47 PM)
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hahaha, u r 1 of the staff there? tongue.gif tongue.gif

btw, just to double confirm, is that bianchi comes with integrated seat post?
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post Oct 16 2013, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Oct 16 2013, 10:44 PM)
i'm not. I'm from penang. tongue.gif
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hahaha, ok. thought of asking more discount. tongue.gif tongue.gif

btw, do u know that bianchi is come with integrated seat post?


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post Oct 16 2013, 10:56 PM

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yeah, it looks like.

thanks
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post Oct 16 2013, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Oct 16 2013, 10:57 PM)
hmm.....great, but price still exceed my budget. hahahha tongue.gif tongue.gif

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