BB30 is BB30... PF30 is designed where the bearing of the BB30 is encased in a nylon or aluminum cup like wheelsmanufacturing or CK... so, i remember it is not interchangeable because the concentric bore size of both BB shells does not start out the same....

True also n good info, but I referring the reputation of the brand, pinarello n Colnago like Ferrari, spez boardman giant scott those like BMW, polygon merida like Toyota, xds or some china brand like proton lo...

here is some good ref...

http://problemsolversbike.com/files/tech/B...s_Reference.pdf

BB30 bore size is 42mm... while PF30 is 46mm... that means the sleeve itself takes an additional 4mm on top of existing BB30 bore sizes...

Nowadays many bikes come with pf30? Coz I see last time cannondale stil on bb30, boardman too...spez no research...scott macam bb30 for the foil team issue also...

spez with his own name. OSBB

Yesterday latar highway training, rawang-ijok-rawang, 70km only, tahan by police n warn us out of highway quick...haha...my cycling mate said ppl kayuh we kayuh lah...

let's kick this up a notch...

what is reputation??? the name tied to the product itself or the actual place where it is made from (meaning the different workforce skillset, manufacturing tool advancement and yada yada)...

i bet you know by now most manufacturers don't actually make their bikes in their originating country... for example... Trek only makes their top of the line Madone 7 and 6 i think in their waterloo facility in US... their lower end Madone 5 and below if i am not wrong i think is partnered with Giant (if i am not wrong) and made in "you know where"....i used to have a nifty picture showing who makes bikes for who...can't remember where i left it or posted in which version of this thread

so, if you know that.... does it still mean your trek is reputable... the world of bike manufacturing revolves around ODM and OEM today.... most big fellas have to rely on their asian partners to make some of their frames because of soaring costs in their country... and this makes their bikes expensive and not all people are willing to pay....

the biggest 2 ODM / OEM manufacturer in the world now is Giant and Merida... for all you know... your mid to low end colnago, pinarello could be made by either one of them or some even smaller firms... even some spez is made by merida because we all know the connection merida has with spez on top of the shares they still have in spez....

arguably... the design can come from the originating country... but with carbon industry... the design is not the big thing... more secretive is the layup schedules, recipe to cure the carbon, epoxy, resin used and those are highly and closely guarded secrets... and if they think it's worth guarding... they make it close to them.. for example... surefire bikes that are made from where they claimed it is from... BMC Impec (because of the stupid giant looming system in Switzerland that costed Andy Riihs millions) and the full lineup of Time bikes as reportedly they weave their own carbon cloth or something like that...

so, if reputation is not where it is made... .then it's a simple thing... you just want to buy a nike that is made in a bata factory and nothing else matters.. you just trust it's reputation...

this are sometimes things that people dun really want to dwelve into because it is too complicated and information like this usually never get exposed as one factory can be manufacturing several top end firms bikes and they have to be shush about it....

it's one of those see no evil hear no evil sort of thing....

This post has been edited by butthead: Oct 14 2013, 02:42 PM

Keep it keep it bro, don't all dig it out...shhhh...btw my frame made in Taiwan...

most have moved to PF30 for lowering costs...cannondale was quite late because they were the originator of 30mm spindles...but even the supersix evo hi-mod have moved to pressfit bb30...

as long as you see the name pressfit there.... it means it uses bearings that are pressed in.. it is only a matter of whether it is 30mm axles (bb30 standard) or 24mm axles (pf86 / bb90)....

you can read this to understand why the move from bb30 standard to pf30....
http://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article...brackets-38220/

highway or expressway?

Is there a bike show in Malaysia like eurobike event, albeit small scale?

i heard there was one in putrajaya sometime this year... can't remember when... i doubt it'll be as spectacular... most likely you see some leruns over there...

Should be expressway

This post has been edited by sunnyckh: Oct 14 2013, 03:18 PM

today sleep. baru bangun

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Oct 14 2013, 03:18 PM

so.. sworks not top end....

no offence taken. among the bikes pro riders ride, sworks was/is the cheapest. not sure how it got to be overpriced. spez don't pay me to ride/market their frame, but personally i feel they have the best value for a bike in pro peloton. but to each his own. maybe giant can match their price. but giant has all kinds of proprietary stuff.

my sworks sl3 i got it less than 6k, brand new. and not during crazy clearance sale.

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Oct 14 2013, 03:33 PM

colnago oso made in china la... they even admit it. but not sure about C59 or EPS

expressway tak boleh lar... sure kick out wan...

those like nkve all those u better not masuk... u either get kicked out or u come out riding police lorry...

u lazy bum....

not in an alternate universe... lerun is....

s-works is the cheapest


what about giant and merida???



because you ride it....

don't your s-works has it as well??? the fork crown head set seats?

This post has been edited by butthead: Oct 14 2013, 03:43 PM

Actually i specialized lover but 9k vs 6k i have to choose lower price one, should compare wit venge coz mine was aero bike...if have a chance i also wan try spez...have to ride both only can do comparison...tested allez too but just on trainer can't really know whether good or not..

Connections x2, secret handshake x2, you(cat) lord over the humans. Treat them Frisky instead of teh tarrik as a form of your appreciation to them?

This post has been edited by Mac Wai: Oct 14 2013, 03:44 PM