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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V52, jit jit jiiiit jiiiiiiiit jiiiiiiiit

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Taman Linkin
post Oct 11 2013, 02:35 AM

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hi guys. im thinking of trading in my viva for saga fl exec auto. a lil bit of reading seems to say that the cvt got two different version? what makes it need different gear oil? anything important i need to know? and what the different between fl and flx?
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post Oct 11 2013, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Oct 11 2013, 07:06 AM)
GaGa got several variant, basically all of them uses different transmission oil depending on model

GaGa BLM Auto = GaGa FL Auto = GaGa FL Auto 1.6
GaGa BLM Manual = GaGa FL Manual
GaGa BLM 1.6 Taxi Manual = Plotong Wajia 1.6 BJK (Bukan Jenis Kampro)

Now you know, basically FL = BLM. Tapi, what you don't know the different between BLM/FL and FLX. Below are comparison.

1) Engine
BLM/FL = IAFM. Uses vacuum suction to control fuel regulator. More mechanical, but less accuracy. Engine management computer 16bit.
FLX = IAFM+. Uses sensor to detect air intake to control fuel. More electronic, more accuracy, better fuel efficient, safer for environment with efficient burning. Engine management computer 32bit.

2) Automatic transmission
BLM/FL = Traditional multi speed transmission. 4AT in our case. Each gear has their range of travelling speed.
FLX = CVT. 1 gear, multispeed simulation, unfixed ratio. Buttery smooth acceleration. Better fuel efficiency. Slightly expansive transmission oil compare to AT/MT.

3) Suspension
FLX suspension has been tweaked to sportier and basically have better performance without compromise comfortness compare to old FL/BLM. FLX front damper has higher dampening capability, where as rear FLX spring has higher bounce rate. The rest remain unchanged.

4) Cabin
BLM/FL = Meter panel orange lumi
FLX = Meter panel white lumi

5) Brakes
None of the GaGa came with rear disc brake. There are no compatible replacement rear disc brake for GaGa. Any of those tuner claims they can modify rear disc brake is because they cut and drill the rear axle to accommodate a disc brake from other car. Only FLX Exec/SE variant came with ABS. The rest of the GaGa doesn't have.

Basically, you'll need to decide what do you really need. GaGa FL/BLM already finish stock. Do not compare FC with BiBa, because GaGa generally yield few hundrad kilo more then BiBa. Other than that, for safety reason GaGa was built thicker/tougher. Performance wise, all Campor engine are controlled by Drive By Wire. At first, you'll experience weird feeling, because you're pressing on a SENSOR, not a cable. But once you get used to it, you'll start to understand all these are gud stuff. Enclosed fuelly link, sendiri baca the horrible fuel consumption story.

http://www.fuelly.com/car/proton/saga

You'll lose 1/2 of fuel efficiency compare to BiBa. No doubt, it's a safer, bigger, slightly more powderful car. You enjoy the comfort, better sound system, so as road/engine noise, and all that came with a price tag of compromised fuel efficiency.

Hope this help.
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hey thanks for the reply thumbup.gif still haven't answer my gearbox oil question though tongue.gif and dbw im not worried about it, my weekend car both dbw. just hope it dont have too much signal lag biggrin.gif

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Taman Linkin
post Oct 11 2013, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Oct 11 2013, 04:04 PM)
The gearbox oil different only for MT. Aichi and Getrag gearbox uses different gear oil.
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thanks. that answer my question.

QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Oct 11 2013, 04:55 PM)
Well, to put it in Taman Linkin's context, FL (A) and FLX (A) also requires different oil... tongue.gif

and being Proton SC, pouring in the wrong oil specified could happen and bound to happen. In fact, it has already happened!

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anyway cancel buy saga. go to several dealer today, all wanna take my viva rm17k only. i wan atleast rm20k sad.gif
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post Oct 12 2013, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Oct 11 2013, 09:34 PM)
DbW signal is not lag, but the engine management is. Will need time to get used to it. Otherwise, do some cheap mod can improve it, provided you're into DIY. Gear oil, ofcourse will have difference, cause all of them using different gear box. All you need to do is read the spec plate by the B pillar at driver door side, you'll know what oil to be used. For me, mine is manual transmission, I don't really give a f*** as long it's not LSD/AT/CVT oil. Refer to my earlier comment, old FL/BLM uses Automatic Transmission fluid, whereas FLX uses CVT fluid.

What year is your BiBa? Spec? If you plan to sell anything higher then Mudah.My, then you need to pelanpelantunggu.com.my. Consumer are not that dumb to buy a car without looking at Mudah.My nowadays. Due to my crappy job nature, I'm widely involved in used car dealing business(despite I don't earn shit from it), if you're interested can PM me. I shall rekomen you to several used car dealer and negotiate for best deal(within KL/Selangor region only).

Don't forget, trade in a car and try to get a new car from those dealers, they also sublet to used car dealer and earn you 1 hand. Hence, those so called 超 high trade in value new car dealer is usually buying back your used car at much less compare to normal used car dealer. U sendiri fikir baik²
Brake pad kasi tukak. On the other hand, check whether the washer plate is still there, if you have recently replaced new pad, could be magician omitted the washer plate.
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my viva is 2009 1.0 ez premium ( chrome ring on speedo and rev ). and i got extended warranty till 2015. ugpm.

QUOTE(r3apers @ Oct 11 2013, 11:04 PM)
Ur viva still got 17k is lucky lo. Mine biba last year they only maksn for 13k, thn i like wtf, but still buy gaga witjout sell the biba.
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what ur viva spec? and i really dun wanna add more vehicle right now, i got 6 car and 4 bike now sweat.gif
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post Oct 13 2013, 02:17 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 12 2013, 12:47 PM)
that's why i suddenly pelik you show up here. i just can't imagine you in a viva when you go TT in NSX whistling.gif (waiting prez recover for next TT laugh.gif )
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i go tt once with viva ( at sunway iirc ). park in front of shinjite and he tak perasan me laugh.gif
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post Oct 15 2013, 07:37 AM

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oh ade tt. miss chance test drive sad.gif
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post Oct 17 2013, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(s@ni @ Oct 16 2013, 10:24 PM)
http://m.mudah.my/view?q=&ca=9_3_s&e=0&sa=...&ad_id=23784534

15" saga fl rim laugh.gif somebody asking here early this year
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dat for saga 1.6 rite? damn nice rims. and salesman haven't call back sad.gif
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post Oct 20 2013, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(wanfauzan @ Oct 20 2013, 03:42 PM)
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/cons...engine-failures
Complaining about realibility, even BMW Audi and VW ranked in the top 10 from bottom. Toyoga is number 2 in term of engine realibility. Inb4 vios contribute much to this statistic.
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greatttt.... i was looking at f30 335i or s5. now you make me need to rethink about them... mad.gif unsure.gif
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post Oct 20 2013, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Oct 20 2013, 10:00 PM)
keep your Z33... laugh.gif
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1. dah boring.
2. broke my ankle on 30 may. since my z33 is manly version, i cant drive it proper anymore. clutch so damn keras i feel like my leg wanna break after 30min drive.

and recently i revived my old saga kereta kebal. syok liao the handling ( compare to viva ). so old saga and new saga how much better the handling ( my kete kebal use 185/45 r15 )?
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post Oct 20 2013, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Oct 20 2013, 10:36 PM)
manly man buy car no gib sh!t about reliability  flex.gif
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igt duit dtg dari langit ka? haha
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post Oct 20 2013, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Oct 20 2013, 10:39 PM)
cant comment about old saga, but the new saga is a non stop body roll machine in stock form.
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sure or not? lotus tuned handling? hmm.gif
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post Oct 22 2013, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Oct 21 2013, 08:02 AM)
Not NA1/NA2 meh? laugh.gif
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mana mau jumpa na2. and dun have 200k cash lying around lol

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