QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 2 2013, 01:06 PM)
obviously he got . But nevermind , its not our responsibility to educate you . ignorance is bliss .Samsung caught cheating again!, This time is Note 3 benchmark test
Samsung caught cheating again!, This time is Note 3 benchmark test
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Oct 2 2013, 01:11 PM
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Oct 2 2013, 01:13 PM
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Having code to detect benchmarking software and making cpu to work extra hard to improve the score. So the phone the actual performance under normal usage is actually lower. So what does that mean to you? Trying to mislead the buyer!
What's next... battery benchmarking, shut down all cores and run for 2 weeks? And then market to the world that the battery can last 2 weeks? This post has been edited by lightning69: Oct 2 2013, 01:18 PM |
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Oct 2 2013, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE(xueqiong @ Oct 2 2013, 01:11 PM) If got, then let's have it. Don't just talk rubbish here. QUOTE(lightning69 @ Oct 2 2013, 01:13 PM) Having code to detect benchmarking software and making cpu to work extra hard to improve the score. So the phone the actual performance under normal usage is actually lower. So what does that mean to you? Trying to mislead the buyer! CPU does not work extra hard. It work at maximum so that benchmark know what it is capable of. What's next... battery benchmarking, shut down all cores and run for 2 weeks? And then market to the world that the battery can last 2 weeks? So that when a crazy apps demand it, Note 3 can response with maximum performance, So please stop this nonsense already, |
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Oct 2 2013, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 2 2013, 01:05 PM) Does it ramp up higher than 2.3GHZ? If its not, what is your problem? Why is it call cheating? The thermal headroom is raised by pushing all cores to run at 2.3GHz as long as the benchmark app is detected but it's not raised when you use other apps so that it doesn't kill battery life or doesn't overheat making it not a representative of real world performance. Geekbench is supposed to simulate real world app performance [it gets it's scores by running apps] . This makes one expect the device to perform on a level matching it's benchmark scores when it reality it won't perform that way due to thermals,battery etc etc. If it ramp up to 3GHZ, then I call it cheating. Benchmark is to get all cores run at maximum speed. Nothing wrong with that. Benchmark mah. Of course benchmark maximum performance la. An analogy is like when you buy a pc graphics card expecting a certain level of performance after seeing benchmarks done only to find out later that the card only performs that good in benchmarks,not in games. If that's not cheating then I don't know what it is. |
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Oct 2 2013, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE(Racerx @ Oct 2 2013, 01:29 PM) The thermal headroom is raised by pushing all cores to run at 2.3GHz as long as the benchmark app is detected but it's not raised when you use other apps so that it doesn't kill battery life or doesn't overheat making it not a representative of real world performance. Geekbench is supposed to simulate real world app performance [it gets it's scores by running apps] . This makes one expect the device to perform on a level matching it's benchmark scores when it reality it won't perform that way due to thermals,battery etc etc. This is called benchmark. You run benchmark to get the maximum performance. Just like the benchmark we run for pc graphics card and pc cpu. An analogy is like when you buy a pc graphics card expecting a certain level of performance after seeing benchmarks done only to find out later that the card only performs that good in benchmarks,not in games. If that's not cheating then I don't know what it is. Also I'm sure 2.3GHZ S800 thermal envelope include all four cores running. Benchmark is speed test. if overheat, it'll throttle the CPU and thus benchmark also suffer. Conclusion:- Just run benchy at highest performance so that we can detect overheating, cooling and maximum performance. Its not cheating. Its definition of benchmark. Run everything at maximum performance. |
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Oct 2 2013, 01:35 PM
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aiya..all big corporation cheats
http://www.news.com.au/technology/tablets/...p-1226389051744 there.. apple also cheats! |
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Oct 2 2013, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 2 2013, 01:33 PM) This is called benchmark. You run benchmark to get the maximum performance. Just like the benchmark we run for pc graphics card and pc cpu. It reminds me of the whole Nvidia 3dmark "optimization" from years back.Also I'm sure 2.3GHZ S800 thermal envelope include all four cores running. Benchmark is speed test. if overheat, it'll throttle the CPU and thus benchmark also suffer. Conclusion:- Just run benchy at highest performance so that we can detect overheating, cooling and maximum performance. Its not cheating. Its definition of benchmark. Run everything at maximum performance. |
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Oct 2 2013, 01:41 PM
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Oct 2 2013, 01:42 PM
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Ts u start this thread to attract flaming by Samsung users...haha.
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Oct 2 2013, 01:42 PM
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The detail "report"
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/gal...es-by-up-to-20/ i have not finish the whole thing yet cos it not really bothers me. but what make them suspicious is as follow QUOTE The smoking gun here is CPU idle speeds, which can be viewed with a system monitor app while using the phone. The above picture shows how differently the CPU treats a benchmarking app from a normal app. Normally, while the Note 3 is idling, three of the four cores shut off to conserve power; the remaining core drops down to a low-power 300MHz mode. However, if you load up just about any popular CPU benchmarking app, the Note 3 CPU locks into 2.3GHz mode, the fastest speed possible, and none of the cores ever shut off. Stopping the CPU from idling shouldn't in and of itself affect the benchmark scores a whole lot, so this was our first sign that something was wrong. Benchmarks exist to measure the performance of a phone during normal usage, and a device should never treat a benchmark app differently than a normal app |
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Oct 2 2013, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE(ckchan @ Oct 2 2013, 01:42 PM) The detail "report" Still I don't see huge wrong in running CPU at Max Frequency. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/gal...es-by-up-to-20/ i have not finish the whole thing yet cos it not really bothers me. but what make them suspicious is as follow Unless you're running CPU test on GPU like what NVidia did, I don't think running CPU test on CPU with maximum performance is cheating. Rgds SamsungFag. |
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Oct 2 2013, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 2 2013, 01:48 PM) Still I don't see huge wrong in running CPU at Max Frequency. it's about how the test are carried out i would sayUnless you're running CPU test on GPU like what NVidia did, I don't think running CPU test on CPU with maximum performance is cheating. Rgds SamsungFag. when running the test, of course each of the phone to be tested shall be running on the same condition, then only your comparison is fair and square. i'm not sure about the geekbench. but from my understanding, it's like it test each of the phone not only in peak performance, but also test the phone during idle time, when at this stage the CPU is suppose to shut off 3 of the 4 core. but they claim samsung alter this idle time during these benchmark test and note3 will not stay idle even if it should and thus firing all 4 cores... increasing the overall benchmark score than it should. and they claim a phone should not behave this way as in normal day to day usage, there will be idle time when 3 of the 4 cores are shut down... all other phones are are function and tested this way and it is unfair when samsung tweaked note3 to behave otherwise solely for benchmark testing purpose. this is my understanding la This post has been edited by ckchan: Oct 2 2013, 01:57 PM |
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Oct 2 2013, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(ckchan @ Oct 2 2013, 01:56 PM) it's about how the test are carried out i would say Its called Antutu/Geekbench. Its not called NormalUsage bench right? when running the test, of course each of the phone to be tested shall be running on the same condition, then only your comparison is fair and square. i'm not sure about the geekbench. but from my understanding, it's like it test each of the phone not only in peak performance, but also test the phone during idle time, when at this stage the CPU is suppose to shut off 3 of the 4 core. but they claim samsung alter this idle time during these benchmark test and note3 will not stay idle even if it should and thus firing all 4 cores... increasing the overall benchmark score than it should. and they claim a phone should not behave this way as in normal day to day usage, there will be idle time when 3 of the 4 cores are shut down... all other phones are tested this way and it is unfair when samsung tweaked note3 to behave otherwise solely for benchmark testing purpose. this is my understanding la |
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Oct 2 2013, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 2 2013, 01:58 PM) haha... i dunno...like i said, it's about how the phone are tested... they have LG G2, tested in "normal" way whereby in some apps the phone shut down 3 of 4 cores. but they claim samsung never shut down its core... so, it is not a fair comparison already and said samsung cheated cos they tweaked the note3 to behave differently specifically when running benchmark app |
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Oct 2 2013, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE(ckchan @ Oct 2 2013, 02:02 PM) haha... i dunno... For me as user, I want more Antutu score. This is a feature. Samsung knows what I wanted. like i said, it's about how the phone are tested... they have LG G2, tested in "normal" way whereby in some apps the phone shut down 3 of 4 cores. but they claim samsung never shut down its core... so, it is not a fair comparison already and said samsung cheated cos they tweaked the note3 to behave differently specifically when running benchmark app Rgds SamsungFag |
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Oct 2 2013, 02:08 PM
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Oct 2 2013, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 2 2013, 02:06 PM) For me as user, I want more Antutu score. This is a feature. Samsung knows what I wanted. Rgds SamsungFag well, everyone's needs is different. that's y we have so many different brands and products for us to choose from. don't like this brand/product, just move on to other which better suits your needs |
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Oct 2 2013, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Oct 2 2013, 01:13 PM) Having code to detect benchmarking software and making cpu to work extra hard to improve the score. So the phone the actual performance under normal usage is actually lower. So what does that mean to you? Trying to mislead the buyer! they cannot make every application run that speed because to maintain battery life, but benchmark apps only will be good for them. because not every user 24hours benchmarking their phone.What's next... battery benchmarking, shut down all cores and run for 2 weeks? And then market to the world that the battery can last 2 weeks? |
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Oct 2 2013, 02:31 PM
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What is the purpose of this thread?
Official thread ------------> |
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Oct 2 2013, 02:37 PM
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